Fallout: The Frontier - Done, and it's a hilarious shitshow

this has been mentioned before, but i find absolutely hilarious when a mod author assumes you share his fetishes, for example I recently tried playing the Fallout 4 project Valkirye mod and despite the mod not listing it as one of its requirements it needs the Caliente's Beautiful Models to work properly, the author doesn't list it as a requirement because he assumes you already have it installed. The same with the frontier and the Deathclaw fucking scene all dialogue choices lead to you fucking it, none of the devs even thought that maybe somebody would want to kill it, they all assumed every single player wanted to fuck a Deathclaw
 
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Mary the Goldsmith said:
this has been mentioned before, but i find absolutely hilarious when a mod author assumes you share his fetishes, for example I recently tried playing the Fallout 4 project Valkirye mod and despite the mod not listing it as one of its requirements it needs the Caliente's Beautiful Models to work properly, the author doesn't list it as a requirement because he assumes you already have it installed. The same with the frontier and the Deathclaw fucking scene all dialogue choices lead to you fucking it, none of the devs even thought that maybe somebody would want to kill it, they all assumed every single player wanted to fuck a Deathclaw
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Because you know, when I'm faced with an eight foot tall homicidal mutant lizard, my first thought is totally 'can I fuck it?'.

*slams his head into his desk*
 
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Ruin said:
There's no way they can keep their spaghetti under control long enough to keep bullshit out of the remade NCR MQ. I remember the Enclave = Trump supporter shit from the original mod was something they were incredibly proud of. They thought they were so fucking clever and no one had ever called Trump voters Nazis before.

Support fallout Miami and Fallout London before this trash. At the very least those projects seem not to be run by total retards.

Also the Fallout Miami devs confirmed you can indeed join the Enclave.
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Why would someone want to join the Enclave? Not trying to bait, after 2 and 3 i don't get the appeal. As for The Frontier i think the crusaders could be maybe written as descendants of Mormons but their beliefs changed/ were corrupted during te 204 years after the great war to the point that the name and cross iconography wouldn't be out of place
 
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Zaryiu2 said:
Why would someone want to join the Enclave? Not trying to bait, after 2 and 3 i don't get the appeal. As for The Frontier i think the crusaders could be maybe written as descendants of Mormons but their beliefs changed/ were corrupted during te 204 years after the great war to the point that the name and cross iconography wouldn't be out of place
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The Brotherhood of Steel are vaguely Catholic in the first Fallout game. I think the Crusaders are a somewhat clumsy reference to that.
 
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Ruin said:
The Brotherhood of Steel are vaguely Catholic in the first Fallout game. I think the Crusaders are a somewhat clumsy reference to that.
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Yeah i was just tryng to think of a way to make them different than the BoS by making them have a weird mix of Catholic and Mormon beliefs with the mix happening in the 204 years, maybe the Mormons where a small number and to survive they joined a larger group that happened to have catholics beliefs and over multiple generations stuff got midpxed up and they joined the BoS when they arrived in the frontier but for whatever reason splitoff from the faction and became their own thing
My point is the Frontier writers could have done something more interesting than what they did
 
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SiccDicc said:
Nah, Bethesda made them release early to meet projections. They also didn't teach them how to use the engine properly if I remember right... anyways, Obsidian always gets shafted by publishers. Always.

That said, they can go fuck themselves with the team they have now. Can't write for shit.
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They didn't make them release the game early, they both agreed to a 18 month deadline using all the assets and systems of Fallout 3 as the foundation. Obsidian could've made the game of a smaller scale to make it more focused, but instead tried to make a bigger game than they needed to. It's their fault that they couldn't manage their time and resources effectively, and former employees had gone on record that they wouldn't have focused on bug fixing if they had more time.

Frankly, stuff like ammo crafting and Caravan could've been scrapped if it meant the game would be less buggy.
 
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Zaryiu2 said:
Yeah i was just tryng to think of a way to make them different than the BoS by making them have a weird mix of Catholic and Mormon beliefs with the mix happening in the 204 years, maybe the Mormons where a small number and to survive they joined a larger group that happened to have catholics beliefs and over multiple generations stuff got midpxed up and they joined the BoS when they arrived in the frontier but for whatever reason splitoff from the faction and became their own thing
My point is the Frontier writers could have done something more interesting than what they did
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Frontier is Oregon right? Historically, one of the least religious states in the country. Mormons made sense in the Southwest because of Utah, Oregon would make more sense to have some sort of Uber secular state. Communist sympathizers or literal Nazis (Cascadians). It’s retarded it cram shit from other games that don’t work, like say the Brotherhood of Steel being present on the East Coast.
 
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Vault Boy said:
They didn't make them release the game early, they both agreed to a 18 month deadline using all the assets and systems of Fallout 3 as the foundation. Obsidian could've made the game of a smaller scale to make it more focused, but instead tried to make a bigger game than they needed to. It's their fault that they couldn't manage their time and resources effectively, and former employees had gone on record that they wouldn't have focused on bug fixing if they had more time.

Frankly, stuff like ammo crafting and Caravan could've been scrapped if it meant the game would be less buggy.
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You're probably right since they had a revolving door of contractors and none of them stayed on to work on the next game.
 
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You're probably right since they had a revolving door of contractors and none of them stayed on to work on the next game.
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It didn't help that management didn't do much to keep their ambitions in check.

I'm not saying that more content is a bad thing, but Obsidian had a set timeline to consider.
 
Zaryiu2 said:
Why would someone want to join the Enclave? Not trying to bait, after 2 and 3 i don't get the appeal.
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They are far and away the most interesting faction in the game - in terms of what they know, how they operate, and what they can offer. It would also be a faction that operates very differently than the other factions in how clandestine they are. The closest they got to "a secret group" was Fallout 4's Railroad - which was "Follow the railroad signs to the railroad museum and that's where the railroad is". The Enclave also has been exploring taming and domesticating the wildlife of the world and dealing with the Super Mutant problem.

You're literally asking, in essence, "Why would anyone want to see what's inside Area 51?" when the answer is "I don't know, but there could be cool alien shit in there".
 
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They are far and away the most interesting faction in the game - in terms of what they know, how they operate, and what they can offer. It would also be a faction that operates very differently than the other factions in how clandestine they are. The closest they got to "a secret group" was Fallout 4's Railroad - which was "Follow the railroad signs to the railroad museum and that's where the railroad is". The Enclave also has been exploring taming and domesticating the wildlife of the world and dealing with the Super Mutant problem.

You're literally asking, in essence, "Why would anyone want to see what's inside Area 51?" when the answer is "I don't know, but there could be cool alien shit in there".
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Yeah, but Bethesda would just fuck it up revealing it and so would any fan writer.
 
Maybe I'm reading it wrong but based on the dev's comments on their discord they're not exactly remaking the NCR MQ. The basic structure of the quest line is going to be largely unchanged they're just removing the memes, pop culture references, and those really out of place action movie cutscenes.

That's better ish, I guess? Even without those things the writing is fuck awful particularly anything revolving around the Enclave.
 
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Ruin said:
Maybe I'm reading it wrong but based on the dev's comments on their discord they're not exactly remaking the NCR MQ. The basic structure of the quest line is going to be largely unchanged they're just removing the memes, pop culture references, and those really out of place action movie cutscenes.

That's better ish, I guess? Even without those things the writing is fuck awful particularly anything revolving around the Enclave.
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But isn't those three things 90% of the MQ for NCR.
 
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Mnutu said:
Frontier is Oregon right? Historically, one of the least religious states in the country. Mormons made sense in the Southwest because of Utah, Oregon would make more sense to have some sort of Uber secular state. Communist sympathizers or literal Nazis (Cascadians). It’s retarded it cram shit from other games that don’t work, like say the Brotherhood of Steel being present on the East Coast.
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I agree. It made sense in Nevada because of the location. In Oregon it didn’t. I also felt like the Legion shouldn’t be there either. The only way it’d make sense is assuming the legion ending is what happened and making this a sequel or just changing the location entirely.
 
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