Feb 28, 2022 - Chris transferred to another facility

[The Joker]

I don't see how an insanity defense can survive evidence of Chris's actual conduct at the time in question.

Going to admit, I spend more time laughing at the deathfats forums than Chris, I did not know the details there and some from dealing with (babysitting) mental patients. Thanks for clearing that up there.

There are the occasional inmates that are brought in for observation under circumstances similar.
Chris might just be stress sighing, playing with crayons under observation (if allowed, colored pencils would be a no-no since the can be sharpened) and watching Sesame Street on the TV.

 

[Tennis-Ball-Tony]

What would a Good Ending be, in your mind? A realistic one, I mean.

You know Bob, maybe we should listen to the school district about putting Chris in that program...

 

[AnOminous]

Chris is clearly not insane.

He is not legally insane, despite possibly being colloquially so. He is a dweller of Cloud Cuckoo Land.

 

[Pappy Striderite]

He is not legally insane, despite possibly being colloquially so. He is a dweller of Cloud Cuckoo Land.

he's voluntarily insane.

i wonder if the staff just agree when he LARPs like, "well that's nice", or if it's the silent treatment when patients need reality reinforced?
assuming the fucker is concious right now, which i highly doubt.

 

[King Kiwi]

Chris is clearly not insane.

He was sent to a mental institution while raving about going home and being God.

That's the picture of mental stability.

 

[Pappy Striderite]

I'm gonna bet she really was that autistic to mod the sub-reddit.
God Bless that crazy bitch!

she submitted whiteboard drawings of chris stuff a few times and some of them looked like different drawing styles. other then that, i'm leaning towards that she really was in the driver seat. i wish she could come back but i know it'd be crazy unhealthy for her.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Chris' stay in a mental health facility will bear little-to-no improvement on his mental state.

 

[John Merston]

The same applies to the "city" of CWCville which runs almost independently from the rest of the states. For pointless sperg it acts more of a city-state. Which almost no longer exists due to de jure? (I don't know the modern or equivalent name. In other words a title belonging to a faction) since governmental bodies can control large swathes of land. Citiy states lost their power. I think really the only city state that still exists is the Vatican. Could CWCville work? Technically it can. It'd just be very stupid and I doubt no state would give up such power to be equals for many reasons.

Singapore says hi.

 

[Altera]

Once again I feel like people have a serious misunderstanding of what it means to be insane, criminally insane, and unfit for trial.

Criminally insane people do a crime for no reason and may or may not understand that they may need to conceal their crime to avoid incarnation. However they are incapable of understanding their crime is wrong. They usually try to turn down counsel because they feel their crime doesn't require defense. It's unlikely that chris could be considered criminally insane because he DOES have a reaaon to commit the crimes. His desperation for sex being a long established factor of his life.

Insane people, are people with a flawed understanding of reality. They are incapable of separating the world of fantasy from the world of reality. Chris, MAY be Insane. However insane people should still understand that there are laws and social norms, and will still commit crimes for a reason even if the reason doesn't make sense to us. Being insane is NOT a qualifying cause to avoid trial. Insane people are tried and given treatment in prison when found guilty.

Finally we have "unfit for trial." People who are unfit for trial, are unable to comprehend the due process of a trial. They do not understand that following a guilty verdict they will go to prison or face consequences. They believe that the events will unfold however they unfold and then regardless they will be released and continue their normal lives. Because of this belief they are unable to participate in their own defense. They see no reason to remain silent, or listen to judge orders. They do not understand why they may not simply leave jail, aside from the fact that the gaurds said they cant. Chris is almost certainly unfit for trial. His letters definitely show that he believes guilty or not he will simply go home.

If chris is criminally insane, he will be acquitted. Then he will go to a mental facility till the time he is returned to criminal sanity. If chris is insane. He will go to trial. Then be found guilty or not guilty. If hes guilty he will be treated in prison for his insanity. Most likely chris was found unfit, he will be lectured daily about what his trial means, and what the consequences of being found guilty might entail, and why it might be bad for him. When he understands what his trial means and can attend his own defense he will be released (Virginia has a 6 month minimum for being declared unfit however it could take longer if he still doesn't understand.)

Chris is NOT being treated for being insane right now, hes being treated for being too stupid to understand what the judge is telling him. He will most likely be considered fit by the time 6 months are up, and may stand trial at that time, where he may or may not be aquitted for criminal insanity or declared insane and found guilty or not guilty in trial.

 

[MarineN*423543]

You know Bob, maybe we should listen to the school district about putting Chris in that program...

Like a greek tragedy, is effort caused the disaster

 

[AnOminous]

Like a greek tragedy, is effort caused the disaster

I wonder if Barb ever thought that, even for an instant, maybe we should have let him go to that tard program, as her own son's cock flooded her long-dead cervix with tard sperm, over and over and over again.

 

[Pappy Striderite]

I wonder if Barb ever thought that, even for an instant, maybe we should have let him go to that tard program, as her own son's cock flooded her long-dead cervix with tard sperm, over and over and over again.

all she was thinking was, "now he'll stay."

 

[Ophelia]

You know Bob, maybe we should listen to the school district about putting Chris in that program...

You know, Barb, I’m gonna put on a rubber. Can’t be too careful. It’s ribbed

 

[Pointless Sperg]

Singapore says hi.

I think he meant city states that are also absolute or near-absolute monarchies, of which the Vatican and Lichtenstein both count IMHO.

 

[I swear she's 18]

I think he meant city states that are also absolute or near-absolute monarchies, of which the Vatican and Lichtenstein both count IMHO.

Nah, Vatican comes to mind because it's the easiest and most well known city state that I could think of. Didn't know Singapore was one. Also now that I think about it Hong Kong is also a city state as well.

 

[A_throwaway_name62919]

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Holy fuck is that a roundabout way to say white or is he really negated of Hispanic ancestry? No racism intended

If it's anything like some other systems I've interacted with, I think it's an artifact of kind of fucked up legal requirements. As far as I can discern without actually doing any research beyond looking at what options are available to be selected, someone wrote requirements for tracking race and ethnicity for stuff like healthcare and presumably jails/prison. Yes track them as separate things not things that most people use interchangeably. However judging by what you can actually select in software implementations those definitions include:

1) Hispanic is not a race, it's an ethnicity.
2) No other ethnicities need to be tracked, so the only choices implemented are hispanic/latino and non-hispanic/non-latino.
3) Zero guidance exists for how hispanic people who don't consider themselves to be white should describe their race, making it a crap shoot as to whether a piece of software will have implemented something for them in the race field or not.

Thus the race field lists him as white, but they need to fill out the ethnicity field as well as that's the only way they can be sure to avoid confusion if someone wants to know if he's latino or not.

 

[Cockadoodle85]

He was sent to a mental institution while raving about going home and being God.

That's the picture of mental stability.

he is retarded, not insane.

 

[thegooddoctor]

That has very low chance of being tried and nearly zero chance of succeeding. Chris does not meet "not guilty by reason of insanity" in the slightest. You do not just get to commit a vile crime and then claim to be Jesus as a Get Out of Jail Free card. Brian David Mitchell tried more or less this and it dragged things out for years but he's still serving life.

This kind of thing can be a negotiating tool too. Just the prospect of having to deal with Chris for the next five years might bring someone to the negotiating table.

The real problem with NGRI as a plea is the burden of proof is on the defendant. I think this is incorrect for a number of reasons, but whatever. It's an affirmative defense as currently applied, and more or less requires admitting to the facts of the crime, or at least the facts of some crime or lesser crime. If it wasn't a crime, you wouldn't need an insanity plea.

Chris's problem is the only real primary source for any evidence of (legally qualified) insanity would be his own testimony and expert mental testimony by people who have examined him or his records. Examining physicians with a history with the patient are generally given more credibility than single-purpose examiners or people who have simply reviewed the patient's records.

Despite that, they're still just relying on the presentation of the patient himself, so again we're back to Chris.

Meanwhile, there is substantial evidence from the time that Chris in fact was entirely aware what he was doing was illegal, he engaged in it in a ritual fashion every three days, showing premeditation and advance planning, it continued for a period of time, indicating ability to maintain a routine, and he lied about it to others, indicating he knew it was wrong and something to be concealed.

He literally even bought a book to improve his technique at committing his signature crime!

I don't see how an insanity defense can survive evidence of Chris's actual conduct at the time in question.

His name was Carlos Chantor.
HIS NAME WAS CARLOS CHANTOR!

He’s not insane, but I definitely think he can’t entirely be persecuted due to his ‘Incompetence’ and limited capacity he clearly has, apparently there have been some very recent new rules @Pointless Sperg mentioned, that have been enforced In court of law specifically pertaining to those with diminished intelligence or capacity of some level can to a reasonable degree be somewhat acquit thenm of guilt by reason of incompetence, with some more complex nuances with the law. I don’t remember the entire rule, do you know what new conditions he was talking about?

 

[Pointless Sperg]

He’s not insane, but I definitely think he can’t entirely be persecuted due to his ‘Incompetence’ and limited capacity he clearly has, apparently there have been some very recent new rules @Pointless Sperg mentioned, that have been enforced In court of law specifically pertaining to those with diminished intelligence or capacity of some level can to a reasonable degree be somewhat acquit thenm of guilt by reason of incompetence, with some more complex nuances with the law. I don’t remember the entire rule, do you know what new conditions he was talking about?

Check the FAQ, it lists the two related statutes.

tl;dr they basically allow evidence of mental illness to be used in a diminished capacity argument again. Back in 1980, they banned such evidence except when attempting an NGRI defense.

The first one would be more relevant for issues of intent. It would help more in cases where determination of intent is required. For instance a hate crime requires not that you just performed an action, but had a particular intent in that action.

The second allows for deferred disposition in the case of autism, etc. In this case, the crime does not have to be caused by the condition, just be substantially related to it. If you can show that autism at least played a significant factor in the crime, you can give the defendant deferred disposition, which is basically a special kind of probation where you aren't found guilty unless you fail your probation terms.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

That's the picture of mental stability

This was not an acute episode. It was chronic and long overdue.