Final Fantasy XIV - Kiwi Free Company

And it didn't even blur the lines between humanity vs humanity. The Garleans are irredeemable assholes all throughout who do inhuman acts even Hitler would've found morally wrong and the resistance slaughters all of them with no sign of remorse and seems to almost take glee in it. There could've been moments when the Garlean's humanity began to show through like maybe you see a soldier carrying his friend away from battle or you find pictures of loved ones on them or, and I know this is going to make you laugh as it did myself, a "just following orders" trial. Nope, they're all just irredeemable villains now kill them with gay abandon.

Some of the side-content, if I remember, hints at why they're assholes - unable to use magic, the other races essentially dominated them. So they started digging into technology and became crazy assholes as a result - but crazy assholes whose interest seemed primarily in absolute order and getting rid of the planet's intermittent "lemme just destroy everything" actors.

Whoever wrote SB apparently missed the memo from both the base-game and HW that there's an undercurrent of "everyone is kind of an asshole." The base game makes a point of suggesting the whole reason that the world's chimp-people keep summoning deities of destruction is that the various nations keep trying to take their shit. When the ability of more humanoid races to summon primals to slap shit is introduced, it suggests that the subjugation of the beast-things by the expansionary policies of every single nation is in effect not much different from open war and hostilities. HW's main story hook is that the elf pope was covering up the fact that the "good guys" were actively covering up the fact that the elves were some greedy fuckers - and that the big dumb angry dragon had a good reason for wanting some knife-ear genocide.

Then when they hand the creative direction to whatever teenager wandered into the office on bring-your-kid-to-work day, I guess everyone was too polite to point out how the saturday morning cartoon vibe of SB threw all of that into a meat grinder. There is an argument that "the new emperor is some crazy motherfucker, and he's taking the faction on a totally different course from what it used to be" - would be interesting if the story took that turn. Yet there's nothing really within SB to suggest it; everyone seems mostly fine to just go along with bleeding the occupied territories completely dry and doing everything they can to make the native populations despise them. And they don't even think of trying to insert plants into either rebellion, as if a first draft with a completely linear progression was shat out and put into production.

As pointed out above, Lyse and Hien are both objectively awful leaders who mostly do nothing and then take the spotlight - the game takes a throwaway line of dialogue to ask "isn't that kindof shitty that you abandoned absolutely everyone?" which is rebutted by the people going "well you saved us once from something that was very convenient for the plot, so we completely forgive you." You could've played around with the fact that Conrad was an overly-sentimental idiot who had long-since lost any faith in the revolution, or that Yugiri and Gosetsu's bushido nonsense was misguided to place faith in an absent head of state -- but not enough time, too difficult for a teenager to come up with.
 

the author looks exactly what you'd expect him to. Hey dipshit - houses are affordable, just in places that aren't fucking cities with insane zoning regulations slapped in place by people who clamor for "more housing, just not in my backyard." Which, of course, happen to be resoundingly white-collar middle-class whites (like the author) who just want to get enfranchised via holding up the homeless and minorities as shields until they turn about-heel and slam the shutter once they're inside, like every fucking west-coast city. Little different from "we have a lot of players and not a lot of housing plots. Plots which could be theoretically expanded as much as we want, provided we buy the added server hardware/maintenance for it."

Isn't this "fix" also in-name-only, too? I feel like I've seen people arguing this is a band-aid for a punctured artery
 
Some of the side-content, if I remember, hints at why they're assholes - unable to use magic, the other races essentially dominated them. So they started digging into technology and became crazy assholes as a result - but crazy assholes whose interest seemed primarily in absolute order and getting rid of the planet's intermittent "lemme just destroy everything" actors.

Whoever wrote SB apparently missed the memo from both the base-game and HW that there's an undercurrent of "everyone is kind of an asshole." The base game makes a point of suggesting the whole reason that the world's chimp-people keep summoning deities of destruction is that the various nations keep trying to take their shit. When the ability of more humanoid races to summon primals to slap shit is introduced, it suggests that the subjugation of the beast-things by the expansionary policies of every single nation is in effect not much different from open war and hostilities. HW's main story hook is that the elf pope was covering up the fact that the "good guys" were actively covering up the fact that the elves were some greedy fuckers - and that the big dumb angry dragon had a good reason for wanting some knife-ear genocide.

Then when they hand the creative direction to whatever teenager wandered into the office on bring-your-kid-to-work day, I guess everyone was too polite to point out how the saturday morning cartoon vibe of SB threw all of that into a meat grinder. There is an argument that "the new emperor is some crazy motherfucker, and he's taking the faction on a totally different course from what it used to be" - would be interesting if the story took that turn. Yet there's nothing really within SB to suggest it; everyone seems mostly fine to just go along with bleeding the occupied territories completely dry and doing everything they can to make the native populations despise them. And they don't even think of trying to insert plants into either rebellion, as if a first draft with a completely linear progression was shat out and put into production.

As pointed out above, Lyse and Hien are both objectively awful leaders who mostly do nothing and then take the spotlight - the game takes a throwaway line of dialogue to ask "isn't that kindof shitty that you abandoned absolutely everyone?" which is rebutted by the people going "well you saved us once from something that was very convenient for the plot, so we completely forgive you." You could've played around with the fact that Conrad was an overly-sentimental idiot who had long-since lost any faith in the revolution, or that Yugiri and Gosetsu's bushido nonsense was misguided to place faith in an absent head of state -- but not enough time, too difficult for a teenager to come up with.

The best part of SB was near the end when Varis talked to the Eorzea alliance's leaders, and Varis just scoffs and reminds them how bad their city states actually are while everyone tries to lecture him from a moral high ground. Especially Limsa, fuck them considering how much they fucked over their beast tribe neighbors. The whole point of the Garlean Empire, besides being one big set up to cause calamities similar to Allag, is that their cruelty actually can work in theory and thus it questions if the Garlean way actually is worth it. I mean enslavement aside, as hard as that is to ignore, Garlean occupied Ala Mhigo resourcewise is likely better off then fully independent Ala Mhigo. Hell Fordola and her lot were meant to show that before Doma happened and Fordola vanishing from the plot happened. Garlemald is a mostly stable nation, if amoral, that only goes tits up because Zenos is a selfish autist and Ascian meddling bullshit which applies to basically everyone really in some form. Every other city state has fucked themselves over multiple times with dumb petty bullshit like Limsa's priacy roots or Ul'Dah's greed.

Hot take, but Ala Mhigo is a fucking shit country and part of me didn't want to help them at all due to me starting in Gridania and knowing what they did. They started a bunch of bullshit with Gridania after they tried taxing everyone to hell and back for travel across their lands before airships became a thing, could have very possibly angered the elementals (who flooded the world in the first place) due to their war, they get their asses kicked by every nation in response because Gridania was about to lose, then whine about how their internal strife bullshit causing their own enslavement by killing the Monk temples due to some dumb asshole's command. Fuck Ala Mhigo, I care more about Doma because at least Doma isn't some dust bowl in the middle of nowhere and seemed to just be doing its own thing until Garlemald happened to roll in.
 
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It just pisses me off how many times Zenos defeats you. And correct me if i'm wrong but there's no good explanation for it other then "he's really good."
Like Zenos reminds me of those edgy sonic OCs that are like "He's way stronger then sonic and shadow COMBINED, and he has three katanas! heh nothing personal kid."
 
I was autistic enough to get all the yo-kai weapons and I hate blue mages now. At least half of the skins were meh, some were terrible like the ninja bananas and the scholar coloring book. I liked the monk, warrior, black mage, dancer and the red mage ones.
 
I was autistic enough to get all the yo-kai weapons and I hate blue mages now. At least half of the skins were meh, some were terrible like the ninja bananas and the scholar coloring book. I liked the monk, warrior, black mage, dancer and the red mage ones.

I did the same. I already had all the yo-kai weapons from last time, so getting the new ones was easy. I like most of them. They're cute.

As for SB, can't say I was a fan for most of the story. The story is boring, Zenos is terrible as a character, they keep doing asspulls to revive characters that should be dead or written out of the story.
 
The biggest problem with the garleans according to the writers is that they felt players sympathized with them to much. With arr and heavensward and the way the city states were, the players couldnt help but feel the garleans were right, which is why in stormblood they made the wet blanket, zenos and made the garleans out to be absolute assholes including the emperor making a whole speech about a one true perfect race aka:
 
The biggest problem with the garleans according to the writers is that they felt players sympathized with them to much. With arr and heavensward and the way the city states were, the players couldnt help but feel the garleans were right, which is why in stormblood they made the wet blanket, zenos and made the garleans out to be absolute assholes including the emperor making a whole speech about a one true perfect race aka:

The race war/nazism shit is really overplayed by the community in regards to what Varis and Emet are talking about with how people interpret their speech about "The one true race". When I first heard that speech from Varis I didn't think "amg nazis BAD" I thought "Wait what? Are you high or something? What exactly are you talking about?". We know Varis is working with the Ascians begrudgingly, we know by the end of this scene that he wants to take them down but believes the current state of man is powerless to do so, and he is talking as if he is stating this for a fact which indicates to me that he knows some better form of man that once existed (which is 100% true with Amarout). This isn't some "muh jews" like Hitler was on about, this is a fantasy world with multiple dimensions (we knew about the first shard since 3.4 which was about 2 years ago from when this speech occured) so really ANYTHING is possible including things like being able to erase race from the equation with magic.

I'm sure Varis' speech is based on Nazi Germany to some degree, but the twist is that Varis can actually be 100% absolutely correct with possible evidence existing that indicates that merging all races into one will better man as a whole from a purely practical perspective. It isn't, "remove all races except Garleans" (which would be more in line with Nazi Germany) it is "Lets us merge Jews, Germans, Japanese, British, Africans, Americans, etc etc into one super human race with magic". It also can in-theory remove some of the divides Eorzea has, because in the end we are one singular race with one singular culture under presumably Varis' rule.

This goal on the surface is aligns with the whole point of the Garlean occupancy to the average Garlean so it makes sense how it lead to this point. So it seems consistent, if very extreme, with how Garlean occupancy has worked up to this point. What we don't know, as of this scene, is exactly how we do that and what exactly the price is which gets explained in ShB with the required mass murder of entire dimensions which is where the moral problem comes in and why we deny Emet his dream and would oppose Varis' ideal if we was still alive by the end of 5.0 despite knowing that he might be correct in some way.

If we try to avoid the Nazi parallels, which I understand is very hard today, Varis is giving us a "the ends justify the means" sort of speech where defeating the Ascians is worth anything and everything. The moral question is: If we can create a perfect race that can defeat evil with 100% certainty, no propaganda, no racism driven bias, just pure calculable fact; is such a goal worth doing terrible and horrendous things like erasing entire cultures (such as the Xaela tribes or the various Sun Miqo'te tribes), worlds/shards, and an uncountable amount of lives? That is the question the end of SB and ShB tries to answer with the conclusion being a resounding "No!". But I have to wonder as we fight Zodiark and who the hell knows what else going forward, would it have been easier if we all rejoined closer to our perfect original selves? How much easier would it be?

Emet was right about somethings, if we ignore personal morals and right vs wrong we have everything to gain from letting the 1st shard and every single other shard die. Once we survive the calamities, which The Source seems just predestined to survive through basically anything and rebirth itself after every rejoining (which could be Ascian meddling in of itself), we are factually stronger in the end.

tl;dr People need to look at context more and realize this is a fantasy world with magic and a lot of specific laws that makes a lot of weird things completely possible, things said might be based on real life events but the world is vastly different and follows different laws then the real world. I swear Nazis just live rent free in people's heads. Also Varis was underused imo what a waste.
 
The race war/nazism shit is really overplayed by the community in regards to what Varis and Emet are talking about with how people interpret their speech about "The one true race". When I first heard that speech from Varis I didn't think "amg nazis BAD" I thought "Wait what? Are you high or something? What exactly are you talking about?". We know Varis is working with the Ascians begrudgingly, we know by the end of this scene that he wants to take them down but believes the current state of man is powerless to do so, and he is talking as if he is stating this for a fact which indicates to me that he knows some better form of man that once existed (which is 100% true with Amarout). This isn't some "muh jews" like Hitler was on about, this is a fantasy world with multiple dimensions (we knew about the first shard since 3.4 which was about 2 years ago from when this speech occured) so really ANYTHING is possible including things like being able to erase race from the equation with magic.

I'm sure Varis' speech is based on Nazi Germany to some degree, but the twist is that Varis can actually be 100% absolutely correct with possible evidence existing that indicates that merging all races into one will better man as a whole from a purely practical perspective. It isn't, "remove all races except Garleans" (which would be more in line with Nazi Germany) it is "Lets us merge Jews, Germans, Japanese, British, Africans, Americans, etc etc into one super human race with magic". It also can in-theory remove some of the divides Eorzea has, because in the end we are one singular race with one singular culture under presumably Varis' rule.

This goal on the surface is aligns with the whole point of the Garlean occupancy to the average Garlean so it makes sense how it lead to this point. So it seems consistent, if very extreme, with how Garlean occupancy has worked up to this point. What we don't know, as of this scene, is exactly how we do that and what exactly the price is which gets explained in ShB with the required mass murder of entire dimensions which is where the moral problem comes in and why we deny Emet his dream and would oppose Varis' ideal if we was still alive by the end of 5.0 despite knowing that he might be correct in some way.

If we try to avoid the Nazi parallels, which I understand is very hard today, Varis is giving us a "the ends justify the means" sort of speech where defeating the Ascians is worth anything and everything. The moral question is: If we can create a perfect race that can defeat evil with 100% certainty, no propaganda, no racism driven bias, just pure calculable fact; is such a goal worth doing terrible and horrendous things like erasing entire cultures (such as the Xaela tribes or the various Sun Miqo'te tribes), worlds/shards, and an uncountable amount of lives? That is the question the end of SB and ShB tries to answer with the conclusion being a resounding "No!". But I have to wonder as we fight Zodiark and who the hell knows what else going forward, would it have been easier if we all rejoined closer to our perfect original selves? How much easier would it be?

Emet was right about somethings, if we ignore personal morals and right vs wrong we have everything to gain from letting the 1st shard and every single other shard die. Once we survive the calamities, which The Source seems just predestined to survive through basically anything and rebirth itself after every rejoining (which could be Ascian meddling in of itself), we are factually stronger in the end.

tl;dr People need to look at context more and realize this is a fantasy world with magic and a lot of specific laws that makes a lot of weird things completely possible, things said might be based on real life events but the world is vastly different and follows different laws then the real world. I swear Nazis just live rent free in people's heads. Also Varis was underused imo what a waste.
you gotta remember this was at the time when shadowbringers didnt exist though, thats why alot of people took it as a race war.
 
you gotta remember this was at the time when shadowbringers didnt exist though, thats why alot of people took it as a race war.

Even before Shadowbringers I didn't think of it as a race war, I figured Varis knew something and this was our big hint prior to Shadowbringers. He specifically states "When time began" which indicates he is talking about some ancient history that he is trying to bring back. Plus again it is magic, so literally merging all the races together is theoretically possible which to me isn't the same as a race war where the idea is you destroy every other race to leave one alive. In Varis' speech it is implied that no current race survives as they're all replaced by one singular race.

I played that scene shortly after it came out prior to Shadowbringers and I remember my reaction being more of curiosity and a bit dumbfounded that this is Varis' big plan. It seemed like some crackpot idea that if we merge everything together we'll somehow overcome all weakness and win, but I assume Varis had some reason to believe that this would work and considering the patch timing I assume Shadowbringers would talk about this.

Even today some people still equate Varis to being a Nazi with all context about what he was saying. I see it every now and again when people talk about Varis, especially this scene, I tend to see some Nazi jab thrown at him. Their is a certain section of people who have misinterpreted the whole "original race" thing being less about the adverse effects of the multiple dimensions and more about sort of pro Nazi/race war stance taken by Varis.
 
Might be a taste thing - I hated the ARR zones and they felt way, way too video-gamey. Now that I can fly around there, there's all these sights and things I could never see from below - where it just feels like you're moving from one cluttered area of the same handful of mobs to the next one, with weird-ass geography all about. I really preferred the zones getting bigger, even if much of them aren't really used - that seems to be more of a problem with lobby-like MMOs in general, though.

ARR's story problem isn't necessarily the running around shit, but rather that I have virtually no idea who the players are, what the stakes are, how the world operates, any personality traits of the main cast, why I should care, or what the motivation of -anyone- is throughout the whole thing. You're constantly bombarded with names and places and events that don't make any sense to you and aren't really explained, and it's disorienting. HW by contrast has a simple conflict, a simple cast of characters, explains where you are, and explains the simple motivations of all of the different players - and the nice cliffhanger from the 7th astral era quests both gives you a reason to care and sets the tone that you're actually going to get to know some of the characters. I get that ARR's botched storytelling is a holdover from the reboot, but still - leaves the wrong impression.
I have to agree since that if I'm going to work with these people, I should at least get to know them. Maybe get to know the recruits which would make the raid on the Waking Sands a bigger kick in the crotch. I did notice that Tataru ended up being likeable or at least somewhat interesting because she actually had character development from those quests where she tried joining guilds. Sadly they removed the one where she tried out the miner class.
 
The biggest problem with the garleans according to the writers is that they felt players sympathized with them to much. With arr and heavensward and the way the city states were, the players couldnt help but feel the garleans were right, which is why in stormblood they made the wet blanket, zenos and made the garleans out to be absolute assholes including the emperor making a whole speech about a one true perfect race aka:
I mean, I sympathize with them more now.
 
Some FFXIV streamer telling you to go fuck yourself if you don't align with their views. All the furries, troons, you name it, giving a round of applause.

Love how many troons and mentally ill people there are playing this game. They have a need for the game to support troons and lgbtqiap+BLM+ even though it's a japanese fantasy video game.

I've had acquaintances who decided to start taking HRT over this game. They all turn insane and believe they're their futanari miqote or/and their anime pfp.

Well I didn't really want to follow her stream anyway so... tah tah?

These fucks cannot stand the thought of you playing the same video game as them.
 
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I've had acquaintances who decided to start taking HRT over this game. They all turn insane and believe they're their futanari miqote or/and their anime pfp.

I have a troon friend on this game (no hatred for her of course she's generally pretty chill) who told me HRT can really fuck you up mentally and emotionally. She said and I quote verbatim, "You could watch Finding Nemo and you'd ball up into a corner." Is that actually true? Not the statement, but the stigma that it really fucks your emotional health up?
 
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I have a troon friend on this game (no hatred for her of course she's generally pretty chill) who told me HRT can really fuck you up mentally and emotionally. She said and I quote verbatim, "You could watch Finding Nemo and you'd ball up into a corner." Is that actually true? Not the statement, but the stigma that it really fucks your emotional health up?

I've known or heard about MTF and FTMs who, as far as I can tell, had legitimate gender dysphoria and took HRT to try and get over their issues when they became adults. As far as I've been told and seen FTMs react to the change in hormones better on average then their MTF counterparts, MTFs can be mood swingy as hell for some reason especially if they had a lot of issues going into the process. Even the ones I know who are fairly chill most days and can function as normal people can get really emotional almost from nowhere at points. It doesn't do you any favors, especially within the first 6 or so months from what I remembered.
 
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