Final Fantasy XIV - Kiwi Free Company

[Tachibana]

I used to want to make friends in this game but now....not so much lmao

If I had to chose between PUGing everything or running things with a group of degenerates, I'd much rather go through the agony of PUGing. At least I don't have to talk to them after it's over.

Every time I've tried making friends in this game, it's akin to a monkey's paw.

I don't know if I even want to bother with statics next tier. I've run into so many colorful characters over the past two expansions. If it's not the degenerates, it's the fflogs spergs (some of which are also degenerates) or sensitive nancies who backtalk on discord. Pugging on the other hand is straight up awful in North America.

 

[Dopey Cunt]

Every time I've tried making friends in this game, it's akin to a monkey's paw.

I don't know if I even want to bother with statics next tier. I've run into so many colorful characters over the past two expansions. If it's not the degenerates, it's the fflogs spergs (some of which are also degenerates) or sensitive nancies who backtalk on discord. Pugging on the other hand is straight up awful in North America.

Yeah it's painful as fuck. But the lesser of the two evils imho. At least with PUGing you can sometimes get that sweet ass group that's perfectly in sync.

 

[Gravemind]

NSFW artists must be making bank off them.

That is very much a correct assumption. XIV porn is incredibly pervasive with just how many works have been drawn, animated, or 3D model SFM rigged.

Every time I've tried making friends in this game, it's akin to a monkey's paw.

XIV has unironically brought out the worst in almost every former friend I've played it with over time, and the ones that are probably smarter than I give them credit for learned to stay the fuck away from the game after giving it a try. Everyone else, though? They either became ERP degenerates, FFlogs spergs, or, in one incredibly strange and possibly degenerate case, they focus all their energy into getting the most amount of people to like and trust them, because they REALLY want to be some kind of social engineering mastermind and sheep herder in the community... For some reason.

Come to think of it, everyone I've known in-game has fallen into the same categories as well: Degenerates, FFlogs/meta spergs, easily triggered snowflakes, wannabe server celebrities, or, to give a name to this type of behavior, let's call them "economic sociopaths". As far as that last category goes, some people really do approach this game from a social standpoint to just make connections and profit from other people's gil, mats, and/or crafts and nothing more.

 

[Shqueefa]

I've been lucky I guess and play with 2-3 different group of friends I have. Sometimes we do drinking games out of the 24-man raids or just play roles we hardly play on the new extreme fight while farming for fun. We all like parsing high because being competent in fun but it's nowhere near autistic level and is easily achievable by rubbing two brain cells together. I avoid talking to most people in this game because as mentioned, like keeping that "social status" of being the "nice guy", when they talk major shit in other chats about people. Really to sum it up, majority of people who play this game are sociopaths and narcissistic.

 

[Dave.]

I've been lucky I guess and play with 2-3 different group of friends I have. Sometimes we do drinking games out of the 24-man raids or just play roles we hardly play on the new extreme fight while farming for fun. We all like parsing high because being competent in fun but it's nowhere near autistic level and is easily achievable by rubbing two brain cells together. I avoid talking to most people in this game because as mentioned, like keeping that "social status" of being the "nice guy", when they talk major shit in other chats about people. Really to sum it up, majority of people who play this game are sociopaths and narcissistic.

When I was playing wow, the worst of the community I experienced was autists bitching that I was playing a BG wrong when they're a kb/d is usually 5-11 and they're constantly chasing after mine carts that have way too many horde. You also had people who were pants on head retarded and could never do mechanics right and would proceed to yell at the raid that they weren't carrying him enough or some shit.

When I'm playing FFXIV, the worst of the community I experienced was someone intentionally picking a fight with me so they could contact a GM and get me banned for no reason other than it's just fun. You also have people who seem to be into really degenerate shit and swagger it around like its something to be proud of and if you have a problem? Fuck you reported. Many times the community also makes the game unplayable because of how backwards they are at playing their jobs and following mechanics but don't criticize them because you don't pay their sub. I also don't really understand why so many women play this game and while in a realistic situation I'd be happy about that, but it seems menopausal bitches and crazy cat ladies who break the concrete every time their hooves touch the ground are the ones who play it. Or thots. Not that I'm against women playing this game, but when your lonely and your life utterly sucks as a result, whining on a vent section on discord for asspats doesn't help.

 

[Rich Evans Apologist]

Not that I'm against women playing this game, but when your lonely and your life utterly sucks as a result, whining on a vent section on discord for asspats doesn't help.

I mean, this stuff is always chicken and egg scenarios. Is it access to the easy internet asspats that makes these people into losers, or do losers seek out easy asspats? Maybe it's column A, column B mixed together. Then column C - a "community" team that overtly protects these sorts in a way that nowhere else does. In any case, it's definitely not helping a one of those souls to turn their life around into something even mildly respectable -- the unavoidable angst of which gets to then be flung onto people who're just trying to play this dumb weeaboo video game.

 

[Dave.]

Going back to Stormblood I remembered being so disappointed in it that I thought Chris Metzen told a far more grittier, darker, and depressing war story in WoW back in the day then FFXIV did with Stormblood. I even remember my favorite quote Varian Wrynn made to Aysa when they were walking through the courtyard when he said, "All your friends and family who have joined the horde are now your enemies. I will not tolerate cross faction interaction in my Alliance, am I clear?" (probably not verbatim, but that's the gist of it). And this was after you completed the pandaren starting zone where you saw them in a pretty united and tranquil island where there was no conflict. And then you get to Pandaria and well...

 

[корона-тян]

So he's like... a sleeper coomer?

Got a guy like that in my static. He's mellow as fuck and you wouldn't know it, but runs an e-thot instagram account where he lewds out his character.

I suppose glamour addictions are kind of a giveaway, but...

 

[Takayuki Yagami]

That is very much a correct assumption. XIV porn is incredibly pervasive with just how many works have been drawn, animated, or 3D model SFM rigged.


XIV has unironically brought out the worst in almost every former friend I've played it with over time, and the ones that are probably smarter than I give them credit for learned to stay the fuck away from the game after giving it a try. Everyone else, though? They either became ERP degenerates, FFlogs spergs, or, in one incredibly strange and possibly degenerate case, they focus all their energy into getting the most amount of people to like and trust them, because they REALLY want to be some kind of social engineering mastermind and sheep herder in the community... For some reason.

Come to think of it, everyone I've known in-game has fallen into the same categories as well: Degenerates, FFlogs/meta spergs, easily triggered snowflakes, wannabe server celebrities, or, to give a name to this type of behavior, let's call them "economic sociopaths". As far as that last category goes, some people really do approach this game from a social standpoint to just make connections and profit from other people's gil, mats, and/or crafts and nothing more.

I used to raid semi-hardcore in WoW before my guild collapsed, and I tried to get a spot in the new people my old gm went with to no avail, so the log obsessed people is something I at least find understandable. It lets you know what you're doing wrong in a very granular way and shows where and how you can optimize. I actually wonder how the FF14 crazies compare to the WoW ones. I know of a few furries that do WoW commissions of their shit but I don't know the scale of it compared to 14. Does anyone notice any difference in the WoW/Battle for Azeroth refugees compared to the normal playerbase?

 

[Gravemind]

I used to raid semi-hardcore in WoW before my guild collapsed, and I tried to get a spot in the new people my old gm went with to no avail, so the log obsessed people is something I at least find understandable. It lets you know what you're doing wrong in a very granular way and shows where and how you can optimize.

Now that really wouldn't be a problem if it were used as a measurement for personal improvement. The problem is, as discussed previously ITT, the raider scene in XIV hardly ever uses it as such. Most people want to parse high just to have a logs with high percentiles like it's a status symbol, like the fact that putting out top percentile DPS means they're hot shit in the game, and often this comes at the expense of actually respecting the mechanics of certain fights and learning to do them properly.

I don't see a problem with pushing your numbers as high as they can reasonably go once you actually have a solid handle on the fight and you can clear it consistently, but most NA XIV raiders tend to go at uncleared fights thinking they need to push for the meta way of doing it right off the bat, whether that means skipping phases or ignoring certain mechanics to maximize uptime, and more often than not, they absolutely refuse to adapt to other, viable strategies to a given fight and have absolutely no patience for suffering a wipe or two. Usually comes with a lot of shittalking and a total lack of teamwork on their parts as well.

 

[Psyduck]

Is it worth to play the game solo? My girl and i have been messing around with the trial version and we're debating on paying for a sub, but reading what i have about the community, i'd rather stay away from that aspect

 

[Kane Lives]

Is it worth to play the game solo? My girl and i have been messing around with the trial version and we're debating on paying for a sub, but reading what i have about the community, i'd rather stay away from that aspect

If you like JRPGs, sure. You can absolutely play FFXIV like an extended mainline FF game, just MMO-like. There's no real need to interact with the community outside of dungeons, or trials.

 

[Dopey Cunt]

I play solo for the vast majority of the time and it works out fine.
That being said, stay away from Crystal datacenter. It's actual aids.

 

[Shqueefa]

So there's an oob technique known as bimbo storage which involves placing housing items in a glitched state and having them persist at the same coordinates across all maps. Open your saddle bag and housing preview at the same time (saddlebag will open slower the first time its opened in an area which is required) then start placing away, indoors are 0,0,0 cords which matches up with most instance.

Fix your fucking game already Yoshida instead of releasing a mount of an existing model that costs more than an expansion.

 

[Dopey Cunt]

I have never seen that before. The most I did to play around with housing was abuse the state your character was in to place myself inside things I normally shouldn't able to get into.

 

[Shqueefa]

I have never seen that before. The most I did to play around with housing was abuse the state your character was in to place myself inside things I normally shouldn't able to get into.

Yeah you could go outside your house and create your own jumping puzzles. The amount of technical issues this game is unacceptable but the cult community refuses to acknowledge any of this, with the usual "FFXIV is perfect and can do no wrong."

You used to be able to bypass server transfer blocks for years using an HTML editor til it got so bad on Balmung and when making Crystal DC. You edit your appearance however you want by using the one dude that lets you change your hair using CMtools once you're inside the instance where you edit your character and simply leave when done, unless that got fixed. My personal favorite was when they did a hardcap of 90fps because having too high of a frame rate caused things to act a bit wonky. This resulted in people being unable to even launch the game, day 1 of ShB, for having too good of a computer due to the games garbage frame limiter and had to use a file to bypass the cap to launch it til it was reverted by having to take the servers down for a couple of hours when a hotfix is easy to push through.

There a lot of cheaters in this sad excuse of PvP but again, no one ever gets punished and these people who use hacks, appear in their little tournaments held at fanfest for actual prizes that are a pretty penny.

 

[Dopey Cunt]

Yeeeah the technical side of the game is....not that great. But I've barely noticed because I just keep to myself the majority of the time. As long as it doesn't affect my own gameplay or experience, I don't really care if other people break the game.

 

[Zeke Von Genbu]

Is it worth to play the game solo? My girl and i have been messing around with the trial version and we're debating on paying for a sub, but reading what i have about the community, i'd rather stay away from that aspect

Unless you want to raid or join party finder to farm things like mounts or weapons (that stop mattering after a few months), the community rarely matters. I've played FFXIV mostly solo off and on for more then half a decade since its relaunch, with a raid group here and there, and the worst I run into is shit players who whine when you tell them to use their eye balls and press more then 3 buttons on their keyboard. The content is easy enough, especially story only content, that even shit players can't screw you up for long to be honest. Don't take this thread as an example of how the FFXIV acts every day you have to hop into discords, twitters, or guild drama to really find this sort of stuff or just have bad luck.

See how you feel after the trial ends, chances are you'll barely see any of this drama unless you read this thread. Hell I didn't even know most of this stuff existed.

 

[Psyduck]

That's good to know, i really wanna stay as far from Discord and the like as possible, so i'll just keep doing that. Thanks guys!

 

[Dopey Cunt]

Thankfully most of the drama is contained into discord and twitter and you won't see conflicts spilled out in game unless people want to make a spectacle of it like was shown earlier in the thread.

From what I hear from some acquaintances who are part of the RP community, the toxicity usually come from cliques getting into internal fights within their FCs and linkshells. So ordinary casual folks playing the game don't really encounter too much drama if they are just playing together to have fun. Most of the time for turmoil to happen, it involves RP cliques or FFLog faggots.

If you're in Crystal, you'll have to put up with the cringey shout advertisements of degenerate erp events in crowded areas or the hub places like Eulmore or Idyllshire or people who lack self awareness and think it's okay to rp in shout chat.