Final Fantasy XIV - Kiwi Free Company

[FencePost]

So, the new housing lotto went well.

The ward my FC chose, not a single plot was sold. Will be interesting how this plays out.

Myself and my friends are going to be ultra pissed if they make us wait a whole extra 10 days to get our FC plot that was uncontested besides the bids members of our own FC placed.

Apparently there's some major issue going on to where a test bidder was left in the lottery and won a sizeable number of plots of every size in every ward on every server; so now there's a shit ton of people who've dropped 50+ million gil for a plot, lost to a bot, and might not get their money back.

 

[Fcret]

Apparently there's some major issue going on to where a test bidder was left in the lottery and won a sizeable number of plots of every size in every ward on every server; so now there's a shit ton of people who've dropped 50+ million gil for a plot, lost to a bot, and might not get their money back.

You always get your money back if you don't win. If you win but don't claim then they take like 50% of your deposit.

 

[Churro]

Anybody notice that Kate is a hair-dyed gender obsessed SJW behind the English translations of Final Fantasy XIV? The one that refused to translate 'otokonoko' during a live Q&A panel. And the one behind the pixies as 'nonbinary'.
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Already people are spotting her "translations". If only the Japanese developers would fix this shit.
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It gets even worse if you look at her Twitter profile. Just look at the sort of things being 'liked' there:

https://twitter.com/fabulafatua/

I had a feeling that the game had been compromised but to this degree? I miss Koji.

 

[FoolhardStar]

It gets even worse if you look at her Twitter profile. Just look at the sort of things being 'liked' there:

https://twitter.com/fabulafatua/

I had a feeling that the game had been compromised but to this degree? I miss Koji.

I thought he was still in charge of localization? He's working on FF16 with Yoshida right now if I remember correctly, but he's credited in Endwalker, so I'd expect he's still got a major say in the translation (and parts of the overall script, see the story on how Nald'Thal came to be twin brothers). I'd hope so, as this bitch screams bad news and needs to be wrangled into not shitting up the script.

 

[John Titor]

I thought he was still in charge of localization? He's working on FF16 with Yoshida right now if I remember correctly, but he's credited in Endwalker, so I'd expect he's still got a major say in the translation (and parts of the overall script, see the story on how Nald'Thal came to be twin brothers). I'd hope so, as this bitch screams bad news and needs to be wrangled into not shitting up the script.

If I heard correctly, he gets a say on the lore.

 

[Fcret]

I thought he was still in charge of localization? He's working on FF16 with Yoshida right now if I remember correctly, but he's credited in Endwalker, so I'd expect he's still got a major say in the translation (and parts of the overall script, see the story on how Nald'Thal came to be twin brothers). I'd hope so, as this bitch screams bad news and needs to be wrangled into not shitting up the script.

He's Kate's boss. Pretty much every major decision still goes through him. Kate just does the day to day translation.

 

[Kane Lives]

He's Kate's boss. Pretty much every major decision still goes through him. Kate just does the day to day translation.

For now, anyway.

Do panic, if/when Koji says he's stepping down in the future, and this dangerhair gets tapped to replace him.

 

[Welsh Catgirl Enjoyer]

Tbh, for now, most of the gender bullshit seems to be fairly reasonable and makes sense. It's mostly just gender-obsessed harpies going "OHMAHGAWD NON-BINARY" whenever they see someone not say "he or she" lol.

Take Viera for example. It's explained that they're raised non-binary purely because it's way too difficult to determine gender at a young age. It's not that they're non-binary, it's that they literally can't figure out which one they are so they go for the middle ground till they know (after that, Viera definitely aren't non-binary lol, they literally form women-only settlements).

I saw another line in 6.1 when a dragon says "dragons don't really have genders, but to you, she's like my older sister". Which is fine afaik, unless some lore completely contradicts this. It does kinda make sense that dragons would probably have completely different anatomical classifications.

 

[Zilortha]

Tbh, for now, most of the gender bullshit seems to be fairly reasonable and makes sense. It's mostly just gender-obsessed harpies going "OHMAHGAWD NON-BINARY" whenever they see someone not say "he or she" lol.

Take Viera for example. It's explained that they're raised non-binary purely because it's way too difficult to determine gender at a young age. It's not that they're non-binary, it's that they literally can't figure out which one they are so they go for the middle ground till they know (after that, Viera definitely aren't non-binary lol, they literally form women-only settlements).

I saw another line in 6.1 when a dragon says "dragons don't really have genders, but to you, she's like my older sister". Which is fine afaik, unless some lore completely contradicts this. It does kinda make sense that dragons would probably have completely different anatomical classifications.

It is now. It's reasonable now. But it's a slippery slope with these people. We've seen how they operate time and time again by this point.
If anyone who hates this bullshit isn't concerned about an SJW like this being in a position of power in localization, they should be. Just look at what's happening with anime companies and localization now.

It's only a matter of time. That's the issue. It'll never stay reasonable. Because the people injecting their faggy politics into everything I enjoy aren't reasonable to begin with. But they know exactly what they're doing.

 

[Vapewizard]

I saw another line in 6.1 when a dragon says "dragons don't really have genders, but to you, she's like my older sister". Which is fine afaik, unless some lore completely contradicts this. It does kinda make sense that dragons would probably have completely different anatomical classifications.

With that line I wondered if that was some sort of late justification for Bahamut and Tiamat having children together despite technically being siblings themselves.

 

[Frosted Snowflakes]

I'd hope so, as this bitch screams bad news and needs to be wrangled into not shitting up the script.

So far Kate is screaming out her haters as "wolves" like she wants to be trolled by haters and later play the victim card. We've seen this strategy before. To counter that strategy is to not feed her attention.

 

[Churro]

The problem with just ignoring these people is that there's already a lot of individuals who either don't care or are blissfully unaware of their presence and impact upon development. I wish I could just sit back and ignore this sort of thing but silence simply results in their influence over gaming growing.

I'm a pretty apolitical person. I despise people dragging the baggage that is politics into everything. Despite that, some of my fave games are 'political' like FF Tactics. It was handled with maturity and dignity. Whereas these people just make everything into black and white morality and have nothing but contempt for anyone who doesn't think, look or act like them.

I can't speak Japanese. I don't suppose there's anyone who can who would be willing to flag the issue with someone over on the Japanese side of the game's development? Because if nothing else, these sort of Twitter meltdowns aren't a great look for a company desperate to look professional and put together elsewhere.

 

[Sunflower Samurai]

So far Kate is screaming out her haters as "wolves" like she wants to be trolled by haters and later play the victim card. We've seen this strategy before. To counter that strategy is to not feed her attention.
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This is the most pathetic thing ive seen in a while lmao

Doesnt she know that FFXIV drama only happens when people make shit and retarded FCs or when people groom a bunch

Or whatever the fuck that balance spergout was back a couple months ago

 

[John Titor]

The problem with just ignoring these people is that there's already a lot of individuals who either don't care or are blissfully unaware of their presence and impact upon development. I wish I could just sit back and ignore this sort of thing but silence simply results in their influence over gaming growing.

I'm a pretty apolitical person. I despise people dragging the baggage that is politics into everything. Despite that, some of my fave games are 'political' like FF Tactics. It was handled with maturity and dignity. Whereas these people just make everything into black and white morality and have nothing but contempt for anyone who doesn't think, look or act like them.

I can't speak Japanese. I don't suppose there's anyone who can who would be willing to flag the issue with someone over on the Japanese side of the game's development? Because if nothing else, these sort of Twitter meltdowns aren't a great look for a company desperate to look professional and put together elsewhere.

You know, I haven't quite been able to explain why it's not hypocritical for me to say I'm fine with the politics discussed in Metal Gear Solid and not modern games. I want to say it's because in modern games, it's presented as preaching but even in MGS it kind of does come off as preaching too.

 

[Well Intentioned]

You know, I haven't quite been able to explain why it's not hypocritical for me to say I'm fine with the politics discussed in Metal Gear Solid and not modern games. I want to say it's because in modern games, it's presented as preaching but even in MGS it kind of does come off as preaching too.

I'd say it could be a couple of things.

The most obvious is that it's politics you find disagreeable with and are therefore predisposed to dislike it.

But even with hearing opposing viewpoints, I don't mind having it crop up. If it's a game where it is front and center and not simply a part, I'll probably not pick it up, period.

Which goes into another reason: blatant shoehorning that doesn't make sense or is wildly out of place for the tone, setting or genre.

Using MGS, it makes sense that politics is featured in it because it's a game that focuses on the military-industrial complex, is set in a world that is sort of parallel to the 'real world' and deals with spies and intrigue. It'd be kind of weird if it wasn't dealing with that shit.

But then you shift gears to, say, Pokemon or another cutesy game for children and it doesn't make sense because this is just a basic game of collecting cute monsters.

Or a fantasy-world RPG where there are curses, polymorph spells, fantastical creatures, etc. and modern day sensibilities are inserted into a setting where it doesn't really make sense.

Or shit like Birdo from the Super Mario Games, where there is much fucking furor made over his gender because of a bad translation from an instruction book like 30 years ago. It's a Super Mario game that doesn't concern itself with shit like that, but that doesn't stop the gender special retards from whining and crying about it.

 

[Fcret]

I can't speak Japanese. I don't suppose there's anyone who can who would be willing to flag the issue with someone over on the Japanese side of the game's development? Because if nothing else, these sort of Twitter meltdowns aren't a great look for a company desperate to look professional and put together elsewhere.

The JPs don't apply their standards to the western half. That's been the philosophy since the 1980s. The only way Kate gets removed is if she fucks up at her job badly enough for Japan to notice or she pisses off someone at Square-Enix USA/Europe.

You know, I haven't quite been able to explain why it's not hypocritical for me to say I'm fine with the politics discussed in Metal Gear Solid and not modern games. I want to say it's because in modern games, it's presented as preaching but even in MGS it kind of does come off as preaching too.

The difference is that the bad guys in MGS have valid points. You can understand why the Patriots exist, why what's his face wants endless wars to keep the violent people of the world occupied, employed, and contained, and you can understand why the Boss defects to the Soviet Union (and why the CIA setting her up was also reasonable given the circumstances).

If your villains are reasonable people who make reasonable points presented in a reasonable way, the game can really take any political stance it likes because it's not treating you like a fucking child. When the only response the heroes have to the villains boils down to, "L + ratio + you're a cis straight white male", it's insulting to the viewer's intelligence and principles.

 

[Zeke Von Genbu]

You know, I haven't quite been able to explain why it's not hypocritical for me to say I'm fine with the politics discussed in Metal Gear Solid and not modern games. I want to say it's because in modern games, it's presented as preaching but even in MGS it kind of does come off as preaching too.

MGS, such as the infamous MGS2 scene most people know, isn't so parody levels of specific with how it talks. Their isn't a "Here is Donald Trump" character as the main antagonist, I know some retards say Senator Armstrong is Trump but that is a surface level analysis because he said "Make America great again" 3 years before it became relevant. It is quite broad despite talking about specific things, it isn't "targeting" incredibly specific people like a lot of modern day political commentary does.

Even when MGS does talk about more specific things, like how Armstrong is effectively talking about the Iraq war and the 2008 economic collapse in America, it is more so to talk about things around those events and what they represent to the world at large then go "lmao America dumb see?". People respect Armstrong as a character for a reason and why his cheesy lines are timeless memes and not some constant battleground for political arguments even with MGR coming back into the public spotlight due to its recent surge in meme culture.

Like what is MGS2's infamous final codec scene talking about? It is presenting a fairly interesting observation in a fictional scenario where a solution to the problem it suggests can "Fix it" but at what cost? It isn't going "THOSE GOSH DARN TWITTER LIBERALS GET TRIGGERED AND WILL RUIN THE WORLD!" like some monkey brain tries to usually frame that scene as nowadays. It is presenting a problem that by just good understanding of human history and behavior, or just luck was right or brings up the issues the internet has caused in the last 20 years since MGS2 came out. That's why the scene is more timeless then shit like TLOU2 where iirc it will just randomly bring up nazis for no reason so we can literally punch a nazi in the game.

MGS2 is more an observation of people in a political space and what it believes will occur as we were heading fully into the digital age, and MGR is an observation about war being used more so for far more economic reasons and not ideological ones which can be seen as a mockery of the weight war is meant to carry. These are not some hit piece against THEM like many political stories are nowadays due to overly politically charged people. I think this image sums it up well enough.

 

[Rich Evans Ayypologist]

Frankly, I don't think anyone really gives that much of a shit about politics in a game so long as the underlying game or characters or whatever are interesting, beyond politispergs who smell a whiff of something they disagree with and proceed to buy 80 copies of the thing to record themselves throwing off of their balcony.

SUDA51's weird obscure visual novel, The 25th Ward, explores topics of sexuality and gender identity through both homage to older science-fiction and through the perspective of early internet anonymity. KILLER7 is also a statement more broadly about military alliances, exploitation, and even in some regards the decline of the western political sphere. In both cases, you could be forgiven for having the messaging fly right over your head because they're fun and trippy and exciting and interesting. Even looking away from auteur productions, Spec Ops: The Line will continue to get jerked off for having an explicitly anti-war message that is told well and that gradually creeps up on the player. Disco Elysium is an explicitly political work whose messaging is all baked into the metanarrative, leaving the main game free to be goofy and engaging.

MMO and RPG storytelling can be a little clunky and a little awkward, but that's more often an excuse than a limitation. Who knows? Maybe she'll pull it off and it won't be obnoxious. But while modern rainbowhairs grafted the aesthetic sensibilities of punk onto their bourgie-ass demographic, they unfortunately weren't able to copy the whole 'creative' part. Though I also don't imagine she'd 'ruin' the story so much as at worst introduce an annoying, obvious, token character that clashes horrendously with everything else.

 

[Vapewizard]

I dunno if this situation is really a politics in video issue as much as a 'translator potentially pushing an ideology that wasn't there in japanese' issue. You see this in anime dubs sometimes such as Dragon maid having some talk about 'the patriarchy' added in and Sk8 infinity having a dub actor insert a shoutout to nonbinary people that wasn't there in japanese. XIV is political on its own and that's fine but there's a difference between what was intended and a situation where it's shoehorned in by a translator.

 

[Welsh Catgirl Enjoyer]

XIV is political on its own and that's fine but there's a difference between what was intended and a situation where it's shoehorned in by a translator.

The difference is that the former is creating a new piece of work with a political skew, while the other is taking someone else's work and applying a political skew without the permission of the original creator, while also trying to pass it off as the original, official or "real" version.

Translators jobs is to translate in such a way that the original intent, context and material is retained as best as possible, and to only change where it is deemed necessary in order to account for things that have no direct translation, or the translation simply would not be appropriate due to it being a sentence that doesn't make sense in another language or another good reason (such as if a character name got translated and became a literal slur).

I don't know how the translator industry hasn't picked up on this, but deliberately mistranslating someone's work is one of the worst things you can do as a translator since it undermines your very career. Seriously, how the hell is it a thing that so many translators brag about deliberately doing their job badly?