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With a (questionable) W from James Drake, how would you rate season 5 of Fishtank?

  • 1 Star — Absolute disaster. Unwatchable, boring, production fucked it up bad, the fish were lame

    Votes: 56 7.3%
  • 2 Stars — Pretty bad. Some funny moments, dragged, too many vibe repair days. Barely worth checking.

    Votes: 87 11.4%
  • 3 Stars — Average. Solid entertainment in spots, some good chaos and crashouts, but nothing special

    Votes: 169 22.1%
  • 4 Stars — Really good. Lots of hilarious moments, strong fish personalities, solid content and vibes

    Votes: 405 53.0%
  • 5 Stars — Peak Fishtank / Masterpiece. Non-stop insanity, legendary fish and production, pure chaos

    Votes: 47 6.2%

  • Total voters
    764
They said that they eventually want to have Fishtank inside a warehouse. This would allow them to construct their own sets designed purposefully for the show and they wouldn't have issues like they did with the S2 basement flooding.
 
I don't think they're going to bring kids on, Jet isn't that stupid (:optimistic:). Don't forget that leaked cast list from ages ago for season 3, and season 2 had a girl who wasn't old enough to drink which is as young as I imagine they will go. On the leaked cast list (if it's real) there was shit like a really old looking man right alongside 20 year olds. That's what I think they mean by 'all ages'. All ages can very easily mean broccoli headed zoomers brawling with 50 year old dads, which I think would be peak.
 
Didn't watch the stream in its entirety, but a lot of things were said.
  • October 4th is tentative date
    • Alright.
  • All ages
    • Most likely zoomers with middle-aged people, I don't think that kids would be involved in this shit. I hope.
  • No beating up the house
    • This rule has to be strictly enforced, otherwise it will happen. Jet should communicate with Sam more often to prevent this. Sam loves breaking shit, especially when he's pissed.
  • Still don't seem to know how many contestants
    • They still have a month of prep left, but they should've thought about it earlier. If there are too many or too less people for the planned area of the set, this could backfire in multiple ways.
  • Portion of TTS going to the fish
    • That's fair. But the fishbucks system from S1 was basically that. Just reward the fish for delivering content.
  • No fans (lol yeah right)
    • That's bascially impossible. People can lie on the interviews. However, if a contestant is one and is a retard spoiling shit, they should be kicked out immediately.
  • Good audio (lol yeah right)
    • A matter of tech, prep and especially testing.
  • Bone chilling slow burn season
    • S1 was like that and is a good idea. However, it's up to production to hold themselves back at the start. Letting the fish to know each other is very important here. Do not force anything (especially no romance shit) and natural conflict will happen sooner or later. Organic content >>>>> scripted content (shit).
  • No more bathroom cams
    • Good. Degenerate fucks like Cryo are the last thing FT needs.
  • Sharks are back
    • Only works if people aren't fans. It's a matter of picking the right people for contestants and luck.
  • Jet seems to be very confident that it will be higher effort and people will be satisfied (lol yeah right)
    • I'm going to temper my expectations, but I'd rather be optimistic. S2.5 was amazing and they can pull it off if they want to and have the necessary resources (manpower, tech, logistics).
  • "..., stuff for morning people and night people,......."?
    • A daily schedule would be important for "workdays", Fridays and Saturdays can be open-end however. The stream is 24/7, but people still need to sleep. Sleep deprivation can be introduced later in the season. Forcing the fish to stay awake for content day and night will burn them out quick.
  • "It's going to start slow, but then it's going to go faster than its ever gone", "It's like Season 1 but if we knew what we were doing"
    • Jet should be very careful with those statements, but it's most likely "marketing" shit. But if he fucks up, he will hear those quotes in a mocking tone until the end of S3 or FT in general.
  • Unclear if [current] streams will be offered during S3
    • Invite them as freeloaders after the first two/three weeks have passed. I'm sure many, if not all of them would return for S3 if asked and no IRL shit gets in the way.
We'll see how it plays out.
 
  • Good audio (lol yeah right)

im going to take credit for this one, lol. ive been complaining since early S1 about how terrible the audio is. im :optimistic: about it, but i'd love for this one to come true.

Don't forget that leaked cast list from ages ago for season 3, and season 2 had a girl who wasn't old enough to drink which is as young as I imagine they will go.
they did that: J.C. if you remember. she was 18 or 19, i forget, but she was under 21 at the time of s2. though i really dont think they would ever bring on someone under 18, even the wiggers arnt that stupid.
 
Sorry for just using your list as a vehicle for my own takes @Blitzsneed but the formatting is nice.
  • October 4th is tentative date
    • Somehow still feels too soon but OK
  • All ages
    • Agreed with the others that this means old people.
  • No beating up the house
    • Sam was breaking the house from the second day of Season Two. The S2 cast even mentioned it was in their contracts to not break the house but after Sam had done a critical mass of damage the limiter was released. The spray paint that says "TRISHA" is still fucking legible on the chimney even now when they're selling the house.
    • If Sam must smash shit, if that's critical to his comedy, pick a small number of non-necessary items and preplan them as smashable. Like I can't say it's never funny when Sam goes Hulk mode (see: WHY WOULD WE LET YOU BREAK HER PASSPORT MOTHERFUCKER *SMASH*) but when he does it to beyond a certain amount of furniture the fish are going to assume they're allowed to do it.
    • It's like a rare treat. Don't just do it whenever. Leave the "smashable" table for when something goes to hell instead of when nothing is happening and Sam is bored.
  • Still don't seem to know how many contestants
    • One of the things I wanted them to seriously consider was the pacing of eliminations. If they don't even know how many they will have yet then that's probably going to hell.
  • Portion of TTS going to the fish
    • For the off-season this is only fair. If the TTS was going straight to Fishtank nobody would stream there. I think Letty said Fishtank's cut is 5% of every TTS which is the same as on Kick.
  • No fans (lol yeah right)
    • At least 6/10 of the cast of S2 said they lied about being a fan and in S1 Vance, Letty, and Sylvia said they all downplayed being fans or lied. It even seemed like in S2 the wiggers legitimately let through one or two more than they realized they did. This is hopeless.
  • Good audio (lol yeah right)
    • S2.5 had bad audio and it was a "tech test." Not confident.
  • Bone chilling slow burn season
    • Even with Jet saying they will go slowly for the first two weeks I'm not confident they can pull this off. Based on how Soda Man described it on stream Jet is the one constantly going "this is slow-burn is boring, let's throw gas on it." If it's in his mind that he's just obeying the demands of the audience then he's not taking accountability. The entire speech about telling the audience to be patient and wait is him making excuses about his role in skinning the sheep during season two. I fully expect by day 3 Jet will go "THIS ISNT WORKING, FRIENDTANK IS OVER" and give the fish PCP.
  • No more bathroom cams
    • I just hope they have a different solution to the problem of contestants only doing their most serious plotting and scheming in the bathroom.
  • Sharks are back
    • I still don't get what Jet meant by that. Even in Season One the sharks were only getting over with the audience. There was maybe a week where the Sharks were stressful for the fish and then they learned to recognize Ben, Jet, and Taxcin in the suits and their reactions changed.
  • Jet seems to be very confident that it will be higher effort and people will be satisfied (lol yeah right)
    • Jet was also saying he doesn't want to pay people anymore so I'm not convinced he's going to have the army of helping hands to pull something as carefully managed as 2.5 was. I'm thinking Sam, Jan, Jet, Ben, Chip, Bex, Max, that tall normal-looking guy who was on camera a lot during Bitchtank, one extra cameraman, and that's it.
  • "..., stuff for morning people and night people,......."?
    • They worked this out well earlier in 2.5, where there were small waking-up type activities like gathering and getting information from the NPCs, but the in-house equivalent from S2 was Vance going "this is the walk up the stairs challenge. you did it. no jimmy dont run up the stairs its the walk up the stairs challenge i don't think you're allowed to run." or Josie going "this is the write something on a piece of paper for forty minutes challenge"
    • It is a limitation of imagination. I think as long as they are careful to make a good A team and B team for the morning and night they won't have an issue but they can't put Vance and Josie in charge. Jan can be the Day Host and Sam can be the Night Host with a ceremonial plot advancement every time they pass the torch. Something like that.
  • "It's going to start slow, but then it's going to go faster than its ever gone", "It's like Season 1 but if we knew what we were doing"
    • Hate to cite Jimmy 's POV on this but people have limits. The S2 cast was expected to be "tougher" because they knew what was going on in advance but people have limits. They're not going to find that the cast is any more resilient than anyone they encountered before and "boiling the frog" is just how they keep more of the cast for longer and save the best stuff for last, not a means by which they can attain 200mph in a Prius.
  • Unclear if [current] streams will be offered during S3
    • I liked the commentator idea. Like don't allow everyone to stream during the season but invite one fish to restream the show on the site and be the Director. That way they can drum up hype like, this Friday Jon is going to be the commentator, everyone tune in!!! Etc.
 
Some more highlights that may have been missed.

  • 'Fishtank Shows' or streamtank was Ben's idea. He says he proposed it as a joke when he and Jet were drunk together.
  • Ben and Jet were very drunk throughout this entire stream as well.
  • Jet says he doesn't know how to find Dave and has been trying since he left bitchtank.
  • Jet defends hunger games against the chat. Ben and Jet both say they admire Ice's impartiality (lol) and patience, particularly with Jon.
  • Jet says if Jon came at him like he did with Ice and Jon was completely in the right like he was on hunger games, Jet would have "wigged out"
  • Chip rips Ben's signature beanie off his head showing that ben completely shaved it and looks extra bald. He looks like Ari Shaffir or something. Entire chat spams bald.
  • The Trump voice for TTS was removed because ElevenLabs (their AI service) claimed it was against their TOS but none of the other voices.
  • Music will not be returning for main seasons. Jet says, "You know bloodgames would've been ass without the music."
  • The bitchtank Ventriloquist sent the crew postcards and thank you notes after his appearance, they want him back for Season 3.
  • About 2 hours of drunken babble.
  • The big announcement occurs at 10pm
  • Jet says, "fishtank is going to take 2 weeks to show its head."
  • Xavier/Ronnie "isn't going anywhere."
 
If they're going for the "ease them in" approach, I wonder if Ben act as the gay producer like he was when they brought the fat chick in at the end of bitchtank.
 
I will be very impressed if Production can hold back and actually create a slow burn at first. It makes the most sense, weaker Fish get weeded out first, then stronger Fish endure a more difficult part of the show later on. It’s just Production’s mindset has been ‘fuck it we ball’ for nearly every season now.

Season 2.5 has me cautiously optimistic. I hope they pull it off. If not then it’s business as usual and we can watch it burn.
 
I liked the commentator idea. Like don't allow everyone to stream during the season but invite one fish to restream the show on the site and be the Director. That way they can drum up hype like, this Friday Jon is going to be the commentator, everyone tune in!!! Etc.
What would they even comment on? Fishtank is an extremely slow show with moments of activity and 99% of the commentary stuff would be just filling dead air, Sam Pepper did that hosting role during the evening but he was there to observe kills and make rulings as the referee and even then most of his air time was just nothing of note aside from the contestants shit talking him whenever they realized he was watching their streams. Most of the time the viewers immediately fled the "director" feed when he came on and went to Fousey or another contestant like Chicken Andy, Letty, Gooner, EBZ or any of the other bigger names.
 
What would they even comment on? Fishtank is an extremely slow show with moments of activity and 99% of the commentary stuff would be just filling dead air, Sam Pepper did that hosting role during the evening but he was there to observe kills and make rulings as the referee and even then most of his air time was just nothing of note aside from the contestants shit talking him whenever they realized he was watching their streams. Most of the time the viewers immediately fled the "director" feed when he came on and went to Fousey or another contestant like Chicken Andy, Letty, Gooner, EBZ or any of the other bigger names.
for most of fishtank, yeah a host would be dead air. but given a good host this shouldn't be a problem. i can imagine that in the down time the host could interact with the chat, tell stories, make jokes,maybe give their own take to what the fish are currently talking about etc. then pipe down when something big happens. it is doable, but i doubt any of the previous fish could really handle it.
 
What would they even comment on? Fishtank is an extremely slow show with moments of activity and 99% of the commentary stuff would be just filling dead air, Sam Pepper did that hosting role during the evening but he was there to observe kills and make rulings as the referee and even then most of his air time was just nothing of note aside from the contestants shit talking him whenever they realized he was watching their streams. Most of the time the viewers immediately fled the "director" feed when he came on and went to Fousey or another contestant like Chicken Andy, Letty, Gooner, EBZ or any of the other bigger names.
You need a competent commentator or a couple of talkative people to go back and forth during slower moments. Kiwifarms talks plenty during downtime and we update each other on major moments and speculate on what's to come which is "filling dead air." Then someone clues everyone in when something worthwhile starts happening somewhere. Someone or someones filling that role might work.
 
  • No more bathroom cams
    • I just hope they have a different solution to the problem of contestants only doing their most serious plotting and scheming in the bathroom.
This seems like the easiest thing to fix, they could just put a mic but not cam in the bathrooms (and let Cryo listen to the sounds of pooping), or enforce a hard rule that there can't normally be more than one person in the bathroom
 
even with Jet saying they will go slowly for the first two weeks I'm not confident they can pull this off. Based on how Soda Man described it on stream Jet is the one constantly going "this is slow-burn is boring, let's throw gas on it.

In Jets defense, 2.5 was a short season with battle hardened fish. For what the wiggers are, I think they do a pretty decent job, going back to last spring I'd be shocked if you told me there'd be a 3rd season.

As for everyone talking about commentators, a combination of Chris Lynch, Jet, Xavier, Nick R and former fish would be good, maybe two director cam options would be good, one with and without commentary. I would have enjoyed hunger games much more if they didn't have insufferable fag (that i've never heard of before) Sam Pepper doing the commentary. I think anyone in the MDEsphere would make it entertaining, or really anyone who's every other word isn't bro...
 
In Jets defense, 2.5 was a short season with battle hardened fish. For what the wiggers are, I think they do a pretty decent job, going back to last spring I'd be shocked if you told me there'd be a 3rd season.

As for everyone talking about commentators, a combination of Chris Lynch, Jet, Xavier, Nick R and former fish would be good, maybe two director cam options would be good, one with and without commentary. I would have enjoyed hunger games much more if they didn't have insufferable fag (that i've never heard of before) Sam Pepper doing the commentary. I think anyone in the MDEsphere would make it entertaining, or really anyone who's every other word isn't bro...
Yeah definitely. Or once all the fish are asleep and there's absolutely nothing going on, it's Bex (hot) or Oddbod (different time zone) watching back the hot clips of the day for an hour. Just to do something with the airtime.
 
Or once all the fish are asleep and there's absolutely nothing going on,
good point. when the fish are sleeping it is literal dead air. considering how the fish tend to develop a sleep cycle causing them to sleep through most of the morning, how those of us who work cant stay up till midnight every night, there is a lack of content for a large chunk of the available daylight hours for a sizeable section of the audience.

would be a good idea to fill the downtime with something. this is especially so if that something would also include a way to donate, such as super chats, since when the fish are asleep there is no TTS and no fish toys. they are missing plenty of hours of potential donations by having dead air.
 
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