Forked-off Xlibre tells Wayland display protocol to DEI in a fire - "If you don't like it, fork it." "No not like that!"

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Forked-off Xlibre tells Wayland display protocol to DEI in a fire​

Project to modernize the X.org X11 server seems to actively court controversy​

Liam Proven
Tue 10 Jun 2025 7:00 UTC

The recently released Xlibre server aims to modernize the X.org X11 server and improve both its security and performance.

The XLibre Xserver is a fork of the X.org X server, started by long-term X.org maintainer Enrico Weigelt. The project aims to develop and improve the X.org display server, as an alternative to the newer and more fashionable Wayland display protocol.

We last mentioned Weigelt's work on improving X.org multimonitor support about a year ago. However, this was not his first appearance in the pages of The Register – back in 2021, Linus Torvalds rebuked him for spreading pseudo-scientific, anti-vaccination claims.

We suspect that such views will in fact appeal to some people, even if they are on the fringe of the FOSS world.

It is fair to say that Weigelt is no stranger to controversy, and this announcement is no different. The Reg FOSS desk has witnessed some remarkable levels of anti-X11 sentiment from Wayland proponents since the announcement… especially given that the subject under discussion is something as superficially trivial as the protocols that handle displaying Unix computers' graphical user interfaces. But, as we noted last month, ferociously passionate advocacy is a sad but inevitable aspect of software development.

We are confident this won't bother Weigelt a bit. In fact, the README file for X11Libre positively invites it, as it contains this:

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It's explicitly free of any "DEI" [diversity, equity, and inclusion] or similar discriminatory policies.
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Oh dear.

That statement, though, has received praise and approval in some places.

The same README states that the fork is a result of systematic attempts to suppress further development and improvement of the default FOSS X11 server:

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That fork was necessary since toxic elements within Xorg projects, moles from BigTech, are boycotting any substantial work on Xorg, in order to destroy the project, to elimitate [sic] competition of their own products. Classic "embrace, extend, extinguish" tactics.

Right after first journalists began covering the planned fork Xlibre, on June 6th 2025, Redhat [sic] employees started a purge on the Xlibre founder's gitlab account on freedesktop.org: deleted the git repo, tickets, merge requests, etc, and so fired the shot that the whole world heared [sic].

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Weigelt amplified these claims in an email to the xorg-devel mailing list. As far as we are able to see, the statement that his GitLab accounts have been deleted is true – for instance, this merge request says: "The source project of this merge request has been removed." His Freedesktop GitLab account now just says "This user is blocked" and most of his long list of merge requests have been summarily marked "closed."

His direct code contributions have faced pushback before as well. For instance, some of the comments on this change.

This vulture is conflicted. We deplore anti-vaxxer and other anti-science disinformation. Vaccines don't cause autism; they cause adults. Climate change is real, social justice is a good thing, and we are enthusiastically in favor of diversity, equity, and inclusion.

Thus we find it deeply ironic that at present, X11 is considerably better from an accessibility point of view than Wayland, which has a markedly poor track record here. As we have said recently, accessibility matters. Even if you're not disabled yet, you will be one day. Today, the desktops and apps that are most controllable by stodgy old-fashioned keyboard-centric user interfaces are ones like MATE and Xfce – which also means that it is the less-cool, older-style desktops that are more accessible. The environments driving Wayland adoption, such as GNOME and KDE Plasma, are still relatively weak in this area.

Wayland and the environments that natively support it boast some snazzy features such as adaptive sync and variable refresh rate support and High Dynamic Range displays, which we are sure are wonderful if you're a keen-eyed gamer in your 20s or 30s. This author is not, and despite 20:20 vision with glasses, is physically unable to perceive this sort of thing. That is one reason why we strongly prefer older desktops such as Xfce and Ubuntu's Unity, which also respects and follows the industry-standard user interface shunned by recent versions of GNOME and KDE.

As we have said before, we suspect this disconnect between younger, keener developers who don't know or care about late 20th century user interface standards or accessibility concerns, but who strongly want to junk what they perceive as legacy baggage, are behind the moves to deprecate and remove X11 – which is very much still going ahead.

The X.org X11 server itself began as a fork of XFree86, as The Register reported in 2004. Perhaps it's time it happened again. ®
 
Doesn't it also mean that Linux could have some form of VMware Fusion where you can have windows applications mixed with your regular Linux app windows?
VMWare Workstation actually had this years ago, but they dropped support. I thought VirtualBox had it and dropped it too, but apparently it still has 'Seamless Windows'.
 
Its just amazing to me how building a display protocol or operating system has to involve gender ideology and racial intersectionality so much. It sometimes feels like only a tiny set of greasy nerds actually work on the project parttime while everybody else talks about diversity and social justice.
 
Its just amazing to me how building a display protocol or operating system has to involve gender ideology and racial intersectionality so much. It sometimes feels like only a tiny set of greasy nerds actually work on the project parttime while everybody else talks about diversity and social justice.
It's a Group Project™. You know, like those ones you were forced to participate in throughout school? The underlying dynamic of "90% of people just use it as an excuse to socialize while one guy in the corner actually works on stuff" is unchanged.

What's different about the dynamic is that the socialites are there by choice, not because the teacher forced them to be. If you ask yourself "who would choose to show up and just socialize around a bunch of nerds", it's not surprising to find that the answer may involve "gender ideology and racial intersectionality".

I think it would be very funny if other "loud person on the street" groups joined the fray. The idea of a bunch of socially-liberal nerds getting hostile-takeover'ed by mormons or Black Israelites instead of trannies is very amusing to me.
 
lol, lmao. Debian is on the same gay-retard axis as most of FOSS.
It be that way sometimes. I'll continue to hope and just keep an eye out for support for this project from any distros I might be willing to swap to.
 
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I once asked on the Farms for a good distro suggestion and got like three or four different responses. If the Linux fans can't put their heads together and just pick one to get behind for normie use here on the Farms its not Microsoft that's the problem.
This is asinine. Would you be similarly annoyed if you asked several of your friends for recommendations on what car to buy or restaurant to go to and they gave you a few options?

It be that way sometimes. I'll continue to hope and just keep an eye out for support for this project from any distros I might be willing to swap to.
Well, I can tell you Artix is already has it in their testing repo thread. I chose Artix + OpenRC + Xfce when I switched to linux and it continues to be one of if not the best software choice I've made.

Their maintainers tell trannies to fuck off and don't afraid of anything. No systemd, no wayland, easy to drop pulseaudio for pipewire, rolling release so you don't have to reinstall or do big upgrades, access to the AUR, and weirdly pacman is just... way fucking better than apt. I know it's kinda weird to bring up a package manager but it really is just that much better. I even got a fully encrypted disk including root on btrfs (which is great... and hopefully proves I'm not just a luddite) that unlocks with grub. Would recommend.
 
I even got a fully encrypted disk including root on btrfs (which is great... and hopefully proves I'm not just a luddite) that unlocks with grub. Would recommend.
Is it TPM or password based? If it's TPM I think I may make the switch myself, but Grub doesn't seem to play nice with TPM.
 
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Is it TPM or password based? If it's TPM I think I may make the switch myself, but Grub doesn't seem to play nice with TPM.
It's password based. Not to derail things further but I'm convinced secure boot is just a plot to get computers locked down like phones are. The "evil maid" thing is retarded when if someone really did have access to your hardware they could just attach a malicious usb cable to your keyboard and it would be over. A bad usb cable for sub $100 is going to be way cheaper, easier, and reliable than trying to load malicious EFI for a given machine.

What it will do, however, is only boot windows (or a 3 year old efi shim from ubuntu) ""securely"" when your mobo maker won't let you load your own keys. And then it's a hop/skip/jump to hardware attestation that only works with secure boot. Oh, you want to use your bank's website on your linux machine? Sorry, chud, your system is insecure. There's already hardware features for this too like microsoft pluton. Right up there with people that trust OPAL for disk encryption.
 
It's password based. Not to derail things further but I'm convinced secure boot is just a plot to get computers locked down like phones are. The "evil maid" thing is retarded when if someone really did have access to your hardware they could just attach a malicious usb cable to your keyboard and it would be over. A bad usb cable for sub $100 is going to be way cheaper, easier, and reliable than trying to load malicious EFI for a given machine.

What it will do, however, is only boot windows (or a 3 year old efi shim from ubuntu) ""securely"" when your mobo maker won't let you load your own keys. And then it's a hop/skip/jump to hardware attestation that only works with secure boot. Oh, you want to use your bank's website on your linux machine? Sorry, chud, your system is insecure. There's already hardware features for this too like microsoft pluton. Right up there with people that trust OPAL for disk encryption.
While there are reasonable concerns about Microsoft holding the keys to the kingdom, I don't know that it really affects my decision here. TPM is there, might well use it. I don't personally believe that TPM is backdoored. If anything in modern PCs is backdoored, it's IME, IMO. At which point all bets are off.

I prefer TPM boot for:
1. Convenience.
2. Stronger against certain kinds of attacks, like getting a laptop stolen/airport confiscated.
3. If you're up against somebody capable of pulling off a cold boot attack against the keys in memory, you're screwed anyway.
 
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This is asinine. Would you be similarly annoyed if you asked several of your friends for recommendations on what car to buy or restaurant to go to and they gave you a few options?
Considering the competition for Linux is Windows, which just (mostly) works and most programs are built around it, the fact they aren't able to offer up a single reliable competitor that will easily let you do everything you did on Windows, just easier, isn't a feature, but a bug. I do a lot of gaming and Linux isn't exactly the best OS for that considering the often mediocre driver support even now as well as simple lack of compatibility with the kernel, and Proton isn't always a proper substitute.
 
But it's a great example of how many Linux users just don't think about what is desirable for most users who aren't them.
Holy crap. This.

I tried to contribute to a Linux-y open source project recently. My changes were intended to make things better for 99% of the potential users. All I got was hate because the 1% of elite users might be briefly inconvenienced. I decided not to share any more free code ever again.
 
Doesn't it also mean that Linux could have some form of VMware Fusion where you can have windows applications mixed with your regular Linux app windows?

Windows Remote App lets the opposite happen. I'm pretty sure it's much more of a pain in the ass than "ssh -X" or "export DISPLAY" and setting the needed keys.
https://github.com/kimmknight/remoteapptool
And, obviously the Linux side will need an RDP client.
You can do a lighter solution without RDP though, which is good if you want closer integration between Windows and Linux. Case in point, here's someone using Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL) to launch Linux apps within the Windows desktop itself, not just view a Linux Desktop with the apps on it. Using X11.

WSL is very easy to use and well-integrated from experience. I've only really run into issues with very low-level stuff like configuring Ethernet ports and GPU access for RoCM (now seems to be solved).

This is asinine. Would you be similarly annoyed if you asked several of your friends for recommendations on what car to buy or restaurant to go to and they gave you a few options?
It's not asinine so much as a different point. Yes, your analogy is correct that people should be offering a choice. I'll do the same, beginning with the obvious question: "What are your needs?" I'm not going to throw Gentoo at someone who just wants to web browse. And I'm not going to recommend Arch to someone wanting to host their company file shares. But the reason it's not asinine isn't because they're saying people shouldn't recommend various options but because the situation where they need to is a the problem. When someone needs help doing something on Windows, they ask the question in the context of Windows. When someone needs help doing something on Linux, they begin with what distro, what package manager, why is the screenshot showing this GUI settings interface that I can't find? "I typed apt install firefox.rpm and it's just giving me stuff about not finding the package - help?"

There's upsides - the different distros have different focuses. Nobody wants Debian to move at the speed of Arch and vice versa. But their point is about the downsides which are significant. The fragmentation of the ecosystem is a very real barrier to people who (a) aren't as technical or (b) see the OS as a tool to do other things with and want it to 'just work'.

I think a great example of Windows vs. Linux is disk encryption. I want that in Windows? I turn on Bitlocker. It's a couple of steps, I can do it on only drives I choose and it gives me a simple choice of where I want to backup keys too and makes it clear why I need to and how to use those backups. And here's the thing: it's just as secure as a LVM+LUKS approach. But for the latter, I don't think most non-technical users could do it without a lot of grief. You can set it up during install but then you're entering your password (which may or may not be the same as your account password, up to you) until you manually go through copying keyfiles around and editing your cryptab to auto-decrypt and looking up your disk's UUID.

Maybe it's different now but that was how it was the last time I did it. And it's kind of pushed towards being like this because of the "many options" that @Snekposter struggled with - a lot of things require setup to be quite granular because it has to work with many different distros. And it's a lot of work on different distros to keep re-inventing the streamlining wheel for their own particular set up which means things don't get as streamlined.

I don't think anybody has ever reconciled the difficulty of pleasing all of the people all of the time. But Microsoft focuses on pleasing most of the people. I'm not saying it achieves it, but chooses that over the niche that Linux chooses.

If I could have the polish and design of Windows (gods - ACLs are better on Windows!) but with the level of trust in me that Linux gives me (you want to change something? I'm not stopping you), it would be my dream OS. But how do you square that circle?


and weirdly pacman is just... way fucking better than apt. I know it's kinda weird to bring up a package manager but it really is just that much better
I've actually never used Pacman. Can you give me the soundbite version of why? I'm primarily from a Debian background (also used Gentoo for a while) so pretty used to apt.
 
If I recall correctly it can handle interrupted updates better and even roll back failed updates
>even roll back failed updates
Depending on what you're rolling back, it's either A-OK or you're 100% bricking your system, and you don't know which until you try it or know better. It's a quagmire of dependencies and inter-dependencies and is designed purely around the fact that you'll do a full system update, including all the software on it, every single time. Most software versions also aren't stored long-term (even a 1 month outdated package database is going to have holes), so you'll 100% be able to revert only those packages you have cached. It's good for a developer or someone who needs the latest* code for any reason, but living hell for everyone else, doubly so for anyone running legacy hardware.
Otherwise it's a lot like the Python package manager with more quality and ability to resolve dependencies. If you want long-term stability and reliability, like, you know, on a fucking Linux server, just use apt instead.

Has anyone actually tried running X11Libre? I might fire up a VM and try to convert some standard distro to it, see how much shit fails. Looking at the reported issues, things aren't so stable yet.
 
The problem is they like being like this. Being a Windows user is rarely a part of someone's self-identity but for too many Linux users, it seems to be part of theirs.

There's a root cause to this that we haven't figured out yet. People get so hard to make a certain aspect of their lives so core to their identity that it borders on mental illness.
 
There's a root cause to this that we haven't figured out yet. People get so hard to make a certain aspect of their lives so core to their identity that it borders on mental illness.
Like football teams? I think there use to be fangirling over Windows 10-20 years ago but it's been lame for so long we've forgotten about that.
 
Like football teams? I think there use to be fangirling over Windows 10-20 years ago but it's been lame for so long we've forgotten about that.
Not like fangirling. It has more to do with more niche things and a need for prople to be special. Think faggots who's whole identity is how special their faggotry is, as if there is nothing else to their personality.
 
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[snip - big part about choosing distros]
You're initial post just said you asked "for a good distro suggestion" without further info on if you gave a use case/technical level/etc. If you didn't then a request without enough info to decide is of course going to get answers all over the place. And yeah it's not windows with a one-size-fits-most model but I wouldn't want that even if it made linux as popular as windows. If there was just one distro put out by redhat it would be just as shit as windows is and then what would be the point? (Can you imagine that distro? wayland + gnome + systemd + pulse audio + telemetry + mandatory fag shit with their developers worst tendences run rampant? Like if you thought MS trannies were bad...)

I turn on Bitlocker. [...] it's just as secure as a LVM+LUKS approach.
lol, lmao. Firstly, if you have an MS account which is forced on you outside of some cat-and-mouse options on install, MS will save your "recovery key" to ""your"" account and secondly if you believe bitlocker doesn't have a back door I have a bridge to sell you. P.S. no one uses LVM anymore grandpa. The future is btrfs subvolumes. And the future future is bcache subvolumes.

I've actually never used Pacman. Can you give me the soundbite version of why? I'm primarily from a Debian background (also used Gentoo for a while) so pretty used to apt.
It's basically everything. Speed (network and installing), reliabiltiy, commands are easy to combine/use/remember even for a brainlet such as myself, search, even has just the right amount of flavor if you turn on the graphics.

Seriously I set parallel downloads to 1337 because I am easily amused and it works just fine. You wanna search for a package ? I don't even remember apt (sudo apt-cache policy?). No, sudo pacman -Ss <text> is full text search of package names and descriptions. I've never had pacman break stuff like apt (or aptitude) has by removing a ton of shit to try to satisfy a stupid dependancy. I even hear there are dark wizards who have their hooks set so pacman makes a btrfs snapshot of their system before doing anything so if anything breaks you can just *poof* back to before it happened. It's just better.

I also feel the AUR is huge for a desktop system for several reasons. I also used to be on the debian train (and MXlinux). But the MX guys are commie faggots that bot distrowatch.

Has anyone actually tried running X11Libre? I might fire up a VM and try to convert some standard distro to it, see how much shit fails. Looking at the reported issues, things aren't so stable yet.
I believe it's already in the artix gremlins repo.
ETA:
https://wiki.artixlinux.org/Site/XlibreOnArtix
 
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I even hear there are dark wizards who have their hooks set so pacman makes a btrfs snapshot of their system before doing anything so if anything breaks you can just *poof* back to before it happened. It's just better.
that's not exactly the resounding endorsement for pacman reliability you make it out to be
 
Would that your disgusting bulging pug eyes could read the previous sentence. Alas...
If they felt it necessary to make a system to automatically roll back failed updates then failed updates must be frequent enough to make it worth setting up. You wouldn't set up an automatic snapshot for every time you opened your web browser unless it had a chance of bricking your computer every time you did it.
 
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