Formula 1 Discussion - And favourite driver?

What I never understood was why they never built a proper track in Finland for a F1 race there. They produced three world champions, and still have decent drivers appearing from there (you now remember Heikki Kovalainen) but never hosted a Grand Prix for some reason.
We did have Interseries back when Keimola was a relatively large attraction, Imatra attracts the motorcycle audience and Alastaro occasionally hosts an international event. However, these days the problem is Money, Money, and Money. Kymiring was at least built as a Grade 1 circuit but the project's constantly hemorrhaging money and they've missed their shot of hosting a MotoGP race 3 years in a row and the investors are getting impatient with their white elephant. Besides, we don't exactly have a crazy zillionaire who's willing to splurge on a project like this compared to our rowdy eastern neighbor or the sheiks selling oil down south.

I would also suppose that Finnland is just a tiny bit too cold for a propper F1 track... A shame, I'd love to see a cool racetrack in a colder climate. (Pun not intended)
The weather is not really the issue, but only because it causes cracks and potholes to show up as time passes so it would require frequent re-pavings. Though, it would at least give it an interestingly patchy character. However, Kymiring is also not close enough for a massive hospital with all the bells and whistles needed by FIA's medical team so that's also likely gonna be a big issue unless someone decides that "Yes, we'll build a big private hospital" in Lahti, a place most notable for being on drugs all the fucking time or Kouvola, which is a little slice of DDR eternally stuck to 198X.

The money in Finland is rallying, if you're going to invest in building a race venue then rally is the way you make the money. There aren't any big car manufacturers there to build a test circuit that might be brought up to standards. That plus sparse population and difficulty of logistics makes it not overly desirable for F1.
Rallying is very much it's own realm, separate from money going to track-side stuff. Organizing Rally Finland also is still way cheaper than organizing an F1 race. The big problem is more that there's not a lot of it in the first place which is why I have doubts that someone as talented as Tuukka Taponen might not make it to F3, purely because all they've got is their skills but they aren't from a country with big sponsor worth to it nor a said crazy zillionaire willing to fund someone's career out of their pocket. Car manufacturers do actively test their cars up in Lapland all the damn time because it's got plenty of long roads, bad conditions and a bunch of very flat lakes where you can check how a car handles on ice.

Other sports stealing money also is a thing because:

There's the Track and Field scene which used to be the number 1 but has since been relegated in favor of team sports. Most likely to bitch about how everything else is too commercialized and wondering if we'll ever get a second Paavo Nurmi at some point.

The Pesäpallo scene, if you like a sport nobody outside of tiny rural places cares about. Only go here if you want to watch baseball, but with rules written by someone who once drunkenly heard about it at some point.

E-Sports which does attract an audience but they still are only a thing you care about it if you only play DOTA/CS:GO and ONLY these two. Energy drink addiction is a must.

Skiing scene which is still angry it's not 1978 when they could get everything they want no questions asked. They still have nightmares about that bag that got left to a gas station.

The minor ball sports (gridiron/basket/hand/volley/floor/etc.) that try to remind they exist every once in a while but only have one to two towns that specializes in it. Occasionally, people watch it when they have nothing better to watch on TV.

The Football scene which is envious that they aren't the biggest sport by a huge margin like in all the other countries and are permanently, VICIOUSLY asshurt about it. Most likely to spout dumb cliches about how the world's a ball, "muh beautiful game", "muh biggest audience" and we must also spend 5 billion so we can maybe be the 17th strongest nation in UEFA.

The one scene that doesn't complain about a lack of money over here is Hockey because this shit is a religion here at this point. They happily enjoy the most lucrative opportunities and shit out world class talent like it's nothing.
 
Very happy for Perez, he deserves it. This means Gasly is likely to go elsewhere now though right?
People keep bringing up gasly going back to Red Bull but I don’t buy it. I mean does he really think he’ll do a better job all of a sudden, after not only him but also kvyat and albon all performed worse when they were at Red Bull then alpha Tauri (toro rosso) in the Verstappen era. I think the best places for him to go might be Alfa Romeo who seem to be a very attractive constructor right now, gasly and bottas might be a pretty fun pairing, or Ferrari to replace sainz in a season or two, or maybe wait around until the new Andretti team rolls around.
 
People keep bringing up gasly going back to Red Bull but I don’t buy it. I mean does he really think he’ll do a better job all of a sudden, after not only him but also kvyat and albon all performed worse when they were at Red Bull then alpha Tauri (toro rosso) in the Verstappen era. I think the best places for him to go might be Alfa Romeo who seem to be a very attractive constructor right now, gasly and bottas might be a pretty fun pairing, or Ferrari to replace sainz in a season or two, or maybe wait around until the new Andretti team rolls around.
Yeah, he bombed HARD in the main team. The guy has a lot of talent but that 2nd red bull is a dream wrecker. Basically any 2nd seat in a major team has always been poison for one reason or another. Look at how much flack Sainz has got in the media and from Ferrari fans for the bad luck earlier in the season, if Ferrari were where they were in 2021 then he wouldn't be getting any of that. Same with Bottas in the Merc and every single team mate to Vestappen except Perez.

As for Kvyat, Vestappen took his ride, Vestappen took his girlfriend, Vestappen is his kid's soon to be step daddy. The guy was cucked hard by the based Dutchman long before daddy Putin did a naughty and got every Russian kicked out of everything.
 
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To be perfectly honest, Verstappen is only where he is because of Jos. There was no need to demote the frankly quicker Kvyat, especially after the stinker Max pulled in 2018. Red Bull should've retained Ricciardo, but guess who fucked that up...
*insert image of the paddock's favourite wife beater here*
Who dat?
 
this guy
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also pretty much the peak of his career
 
I have quite some respect for former WDC drivers that drive for less successful teams, at least they show some dedication to the sport that isn't tied to titles and success.
True. Whether it's Kimi racing as a hobby or Seb acting as a babysitter, there's something wholesome about WDCs that are happy to drive for less successful teams after being WDC. Though Damon Hill driving for Arrows straight after winning the WDC with Williams is probably the most extreme example I can think of.
But people like Massa, Barichello or Ricciardo, who by all rights deserved and should have won a title, who struggle without ever being paid off... those I feel sad for.
Hopefully Ric will be able to spend more time in F1 with a less successful team to round off his career, but I wouldn't begrudge him if he decided to move into another category... especially if he's replaced by Piastri.
 
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I don't see why Schumacher should be kept around any longer. He's doing worse than some drivers considered "trash" by many, but people are ready to stick up to him. In my opinion - only because of his name.
Some want to compare him to Ralf, but those probably forget that Ralf actually scored points and drove very competitively in most cars he drove, despite those being less than stellar most of the time, at the grid where only top 6 or top 8 would get any points.
 
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I don't see why Schumacher should be kept around any longer. He's doing worse than some drivers considered "trash" by many, but people are ready to stick up to him. In my opinion - only because of his name.
Some want to compare him to Ralf, but those probably forget that Ralf actually scored points and drove very competitively in most cars he drove, despite those being less than stellar most of the time, at the grid where only top 6 or top 8 would get any points.

Sadly you're right, he's probably got till the summer break to turn it around.

On that note silly season could be interesting this year...

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With technically 9 seats available, 10 if you think Dani Ric gets the boot. I'm certain Hamilton will hang around next year to asses his options.

Stroll is pretty certain to be in the AM seat and Williams and Alpha Tauri will probably keep at least one of this year's drivers for consistency. I could see Pouchaire in the second Alfa Romeo seat and Zhou moving to either Williams or Hass with his money. Piastri also needs to get a seat next year.
 
I don't see why Schumacher should be kept around any longer.
Dude, have you seen Latifi hitting the barriers on the opening lap last race? Mick is still a rookie in a somewhat dubious car.
Magnussen is doing much better, but that guy has more experience in F1 than Mick has in Formula racing altogether.

He needs to get a grip and start to perform better in races, no use denying that, but you're making a fuss over nothing.
 
I don't see why Schumacher should be kept around any longer. He's doing worse than some drivers considered "trash" by many, but people are ready to stick up to him. In my opinion - only because of his name.
Some want to compare him to Ralf, but those probably forget that Ralf actually scored points and drove very competitively in most cars he drove, despite those being less than stellar most of the time, at the grid where only top 6 or top 8 would get any points.
Isn't it only like his second year in F1? Calm down lol.
 
Isn't it only like his second year in F1? Calm down lol.
While I definitely agree here, a team like Haas really can't fuck around like anyone else can. They've got the smallest budget on the grid, and Mick's not bringing in money (The 1&1 sponsorship came from before he got his seat) like the other shit drivers do (Latifi, Stroll) where they can at least mitigate some of the damage.

That said, the 'rumour', which I'm not even going to post, that he's potentially going to make a move to Aston, I really don't believe. It seems counter-productive for all involved.
 
That said, the 'rumour', which I'm not even going to post, that he's potentially going to make a move to Aston, I really don't believe. It seems counter-productive for all involved.
If he replaced Stroll, that'd be kinda swell, though.
Latifi is a paid driver. Money is what keeps him in.
Yeah but you might start bitching about that clown (who's lower in the standings that Mick btw :story: ) rather than about a guy during his second season in F1 when much more accomplished drivers struggle with the new aero setup at times.
 
If he replaced Stroll, that'd be kinda swell, though.
Is this a realistic possibility though? While daddy's cash is running the team stroll is probably going to stay there until he doesn't want to anymore. This reminds me of when mazepin said he wanted to shop around to drive for another team sometime last year.
 
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Is this a realistic possibility though? While daddy's cash is running the team stroll is probably going to stay there until he doesn't want to anymore. This reminds me of when mazepin said he wanted to shop around to drive for another team sometime last year.

Agreed. If anyone's leaving AM at the moment, it would probably be Seb retiring. Lance may be a liability, but Daddy Stroll has so much in AM that they're almost guaranteed to go on without him. At least Haas has the excuse of having an array of useless paid drivers to go through.
 
Unless he chooses to join Formula E. It's a fate worse than death.
Formula E is to F1 what "Straight to VHS" was to cinema.
I didn't think of Formula E when I made that comment. Probably because it doesn't really count. Heck, going to Formula Ford would be a better move for an F1 driver than going to Formula E.
Stroll is pretty certain to be in the AM seat and Williams and Alpha Tauri will probably keep at least one of this year's drivers for consistency. I could see Pouchaire in the second Alfa Romeo seat and Zhou moving to either Williams or Hass with his money. Piastri also needs to get a seat next year.
If Seb decides to retire or move to a different category and Ric gets yeeted by McLaren, I'd expect Daddy Stroll to turn up on Ric's doorstep with a dump truck full of cash. Whilst not a former WDC, Ric would be a perfectly cromulent babysitter.

Zhou would make an excellent plug-in replacement for Latifi at Williams. Unlike Latifi, Zhou can actually drive. It'd also open up a seat for Mick at Alfa Romeo.

Albon deserves a better seat. My first thought was Alpine if Alonso retires, but tbqh if Hambone rage quits F1 sometime between now and the end of the season, Merc could do worse than to recruit Alex as George's bottom bitch.

If Andretti is still keen to enter F1 in 2024, they could always pay for their boy Herta to spend 2023 at Haas and learn the ropes.
 
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I got this wild idea of Mick joining Mercedes at some point and winning a title in the team that his father helped shaping into a WDC winning conveyor belt.

Though of course, he'd need to get his shit together first. If Seb retires, I hope he'll at least stick around for '23 and that AM gets their shit together as well. I'd love so much to see him fight for podiums once more... but if he retires, I wouldn't mind him acting as an advisor to AM, maybe even while Mick is there. That'd kick ass.
 
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