[Found] Crossing the Rubicon

[Not A Skinwalker]

Yes, but null isn't the farms. The farms isn't a distinct legal entity it is a product. So who owns the product? And who is damaged by defaming it? Those two questions need to be answered before you can even get to filing a suit.

from a legal perspective this makes no sense because it means that if interference is successful than it cannot be punished

 

[JackoVerde]

hey null, I am not sure if this bridge is burnt, but can you give Mike Barnes a call, he might know somebody who could help you in this?

 

[SomeSpook]

Good luck, Jersh

 

[mindlessobserver]

I hope you win, but tread carefully Josh. There is a lot resting on the shoulders of this case, if it gets off the ground that is.

Remember what happened to Vic Lasagna. Or even Rittenhouse before he fired the activist lawyers that were dressing him up like a Turkey.

Vic was undone by a literal strip mall lawyer being paid a basic pay rate. Simply because that guy was the one guy in the room not grandstanding. I know everyone here is saying to hire Randazza, or Barnes or some other high profile lawyer.

Don't.

Hire John Cletus Citizen Esq. Preferably the Senior Partner of his own firm in Charleston, who successfully sued various mining corporations on behalf of the average joe, and the US Government on behalf of the mining corporations. And won. You don't need a grand stander. Those kinds of peacocks will not be able to withstand the social media slings and arrows. Find an attorney who doesn't even know Twitter is now known as X instead.

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

Remember what happened to Vic Lasagna. Or even Rittenhouse before he fired the activist lawyers that were dressing him up like a Turkey.

Vic was undone by a literal strip mall lawyer being paid a basic pay rate. Simply because that guy was the one guy in the room not grandstanding. I know everyone here is saying to hire Randazza, or Barnes or some other high profile lawyer.

Don't.

Hire John Cletus Citizen Esq. Preferably the Senior Partner of his own firm in Charleston, who successfully sued various mining corporations on behalf of the average joe, and the US Government on behalf of the mining corporations. And won. You don't need a grand stander. Those kinds of peacocks will not be able to withstand the social media slings and arrows. Find an attorney who doesn't even know Twitter is now known as X instead.

I'd like to... well, not disagree, exactly. But offer an alternate perspective.

This isn't Vic. This isn't Rittenhouse. Their lawyers never had to deal with the level of psychopaths who target the farms. You need someone who eats negative attention for breakfast. Someone who DREAMS of getting a 2AM girl talk call so they can call the police/court over it and dunk them on Twitter. Someone whose penis only becomes harder in the face of resistance, and would kill a tranny just to watch them die.

You need someone who would take this case for free just to fuck with the kind of people who oppose the Farms.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I'd like to... well, not disagree, exactly. But offer an alternate perspective.

This isn't Vic. This isn't Rittenhouse. Their lawyers never had to deal with the level of psychopaths who target the farms. You need someone who eats negative attention for breakfast. Someone who DREAMS of getting a 2AM girl talk call so they can call the police/court over it and dunk them on Twitter. Someone whose penis only becomes harder in the face of resistance, and would kill a tranny just to watch them die.

You need someone who would take this case for free just to fuck with the kind of people who oppose the Farms.

That kind of person is the LAST kind of person you want. What you want is the seasoned litigator. The pillar of the community. The man everyone loves to trade jokes with at the country club. The man with the impeccable record. The man looking for that ONE CASE that will cement his legacy. That could get him in front of the supreme court.

You don't want the person who wants those kinds of slings of arrows. You want the person those slings and arrows cannot touch.

 

[N Space]

When Liz Fong Jones hits bottom, I pray he goes to the men's prison.

 

[Keystone]

I'd like to... well, not disagree, exactly. But offer an alternate perspective.

This isn't Vic. This isn't Rittenhouse. Their lawyers never had to deal with the level of psychopaths who target the farms. You need someone who eats negative attention for breakfast. Someone who DREAMS of getting a 2AM girl talk call so they can call the police/court over it and dunk them on Twitter. Someone whose penis only becomes harder in the face of resistance, and would kill a tranny just to watch them die.

You need someone who would take this case for free just to fuck with the kind of people who oppose the Farms.

That kind of person is a bit too close to a grandstander IMO.

The edge between "boaster who can back up their shit talk with results" and "shit talker who will become a lolcow if their dirty laundry gets exposed and laughed at" has proven to be microscopic. And yes I'm thinking of a certain lawyer.

 

[Tiny Chinaman]

Josh has worked with Barnes briefly before, if I recall. And Barnes has carried some water for The Kiwi Farms on his podcast with Viva. So he should definitely at least ask Barnes if he has any suggestions.

I don't know if he practices law in california , but he is a good example of a lawyer than wont make a complete ass of himself or his client on cable.

 

[Pee Cola]

You know how to pick a good lawyer Josh. Trust your instincts.

I was listening to an old MATI stream the other day, and Null spoke very highly of Matthew Hardin, the lawyer who represented him in the Melinda Scott cases.

Now I know he's not in California, but maybe he can recommend a lawyer who meets Null's criteria.

Alternatively, Null could do what @mindlessobserver suggests and apply for a change of venue. It looks like Virginia and West Virginia are both in the 4th circuit. I understand that Hardin has been admitted to the Virginia bar, but is he authorized to practice in West Virginia as well?

I may be misremembering, but IIRC one of Null's other lawyers is authorized to practice in more than one state (possibly Skordas, who represented Null in one of Greer's lolsuits that was set in Colorado, despite neither Greer nor Null having any connection to Colorado whatsoever).

Of course this could be a moot point, as I have no idea of Hardin's experience/knowledge regarding the First Amendment or the tech industry.

Bear in mind everything I know about the US legal system can be written on the head of a pin.

 

[Ghostse]

Sue trannies. Bankrupt trannies. Unhouse and kick a tranny out onto the concrete. Slam dunk a tranny's babyfur art into the trashcan. Crucify filthy autogynophiles before the jury. Defecate in a tranny's prison food. Launch trannies into the sun when they see the legal fees. Stir up the jury against trannies. Toss trannies into active police investigations. Urinate into a tranny's gas tank. Judo throw trannies legal arguments into a wood chipper. Twist trannies heads off with the speed of judgements against them. Report trannies to the IRS. Karate chop trannies' legal protections in half. Curb stomp pregnant black trannies on the witness stand. Trap trannies into a case built on quicksand. Crush trannies legal defense in the trash compactor. Liquefy tranny summons in a vat of acid. Eat trannies' lunch while they watch. Dissect trannies sexual and criminal history on the official record. Exterminate tranny's case in the gas chamber. Stomp tranny arguments with steel toed boots. Cremate trannies with their legal birth names. Lobotomize trannies lawyers. Mandatory abortions for trannies. Grind tranny motions in the garbage disposal. Drown trannies in paperwork. Vaporize trannies bank accounts with summary judgements. Kick old trannies down the stairs of the court. Feed trannies to lawyers with alligator shoes. Hand trannies a katana and evidence they will never be a woman so they slice themselves in half.

 

[Sithis]

All I know is try to make sure your lawyer has a Jewish last name

 

[mindlessobserver]

Alternatively, Null could do what @mindlessobserver suggests and apply for a change of venue. It looks like Virginia and West Virginia are both in the 4th circuit. I understand that Hardin has been admitted to the Virginia bar, but is he authorized to practice in West Virginia as well?

If Hardin is not already on the West Virginia Bar, he can be admitted to it, provided he sits for the State Bar examination. West Virginia generally plays nice with Virginia lawyers because there is a ton of cross border shenanigans, and most lawyers in Virginia's Western Counties are also licensed in West Virginia, and Vice Versa. Hardin is already clearly on the Federal Bar for the Fourth Circuit, so he won't have to even jump that hurdle at all. All that would be required is a hunting license in West Virginia.

This may be a big ask for him though. He's already the keeper of records and the slayer of Melinda Scott. This sort of case is another beast entirely.

 

[Peaches the Wonder Cat]

The NCLA has been fighting internet censorship about the p(l)andemic, including Missouri v. Biden (https://nclalegal.org/missouri-et-al-v-joseph-r-biden-jr-et-al/) and Changizi v. DHHS (https://nclalegal.org/mark-changizi-et-al-v-department-of-health-and-human-services-et-al/). It's worth asking them for recommendations.

FIRE is very free speech (they even defended a kid who had a confederate flag up in his dorm), they may know the right person too: https://www.thefire.org/submit-a-case

 

[DavidS877]

One thing that has been mentioned is the damages.

Just looking at Cloudflare:
He had to pay staff(sure, staff is Josh, but he'd be doing something useful to the business if he wasn't doing this) to write a DDOS mitigation system as there were no suitable ones available.
He had to add new servers to handle the mitigation. So hardware and physical hosting costs.
He had to upgrade bandwidth and find additional hosting locations.
He had to upgrade router(s).
He lost other hosting customers as he could no longer provide them service.

Then you add up all the other staff and direct costs for all the other shit they've done and you're up into real money(tm).

 

[Johnny Apple Sneed]

#notmyproblem

 

[enamelled toothbrush]

Good luck, slobber mutt!

 

[Johnny Apple Sneed]

OHMY GOD JOSH GOOOD LUCK OMGG

 

[Dixieland Buckaroo]

You'r going to need someone with extensive media training. A Robert Barnes like character. Communication is key, especially when one is trying to set a new standard for a utility.
You need someone to get the attention of he boomers without completely turning them off

Came here to suggest asking Barnes, as a reference/route to suggest someone. Barnes was / may still be on the bar in California, but he's generally a tax guy. He has utility in how to do juries, polling, and knows people. He's also fairly high profile. It would be worth a reach out and see if he can route you to someone in your expected area of litigation.

 

[TheOtherSideofMakeBelieve]

I thought that was the case because Patrick Tomlinson's lolsuit against Quasi and Cloudflare is what got him $50k in debt. The suit was in California and domesticated to Wisconsin.

It varies by state. I have no idea what the precise rule in California is or what the exceptions are there. I do not know much of anything about Patrick Tomlinson. I am told his ongoing saga is incredibly amusing.

For Pat's fees it wasn't because he lost, he ended up voluntarily dropping the suit because he couldn't identify a single defendant. What bit him in the ass was that there was a discovery dispute involving trying to find those defendants and when he pressed the issue and then lost on that motion fees were awarded by statute in that particular instance