Game of Thrones Thread

Balerion was the only living dragon so old to have actually been born in Valyria before the Doom. Set loose by a rider with no idea how to control him, he flew back home. To Post-Doom Valyria. What is given less attention in the account, but perhaps is far more important, is that Balerion the Black Dread was wounded as well, quite badly. He was covered in smoking wounds and had a nine foot long rent gouged out of his side.

All account of this was banned and thereafter any ship suspected of having even attempted to sail the Smoking Sea was banned from Westerosi harbors.

Euron Crow's Eye went there, and survived...whatever the fuck Valyria is now. He took things back from it.

One of more interesting aspects of the books that the show downplays is the undertone of darker and more terrible things beyond the realms of men, things we don't really understand and should avoid. The cities of Asshai and Sygia for example. They don't really fill in the blanks but act as a nice que that the white walkers/Others fit into a larger context of weird horrible shit beyond the borders. Helps hint that they're elderich almost lovecratian in their aspects.
 
One of more interesting aspects of the books that the show downplays is the undertone of darker and more terrible things beyond the realms of men, things we don't really understand and should avoid. The cities of Asshai and Sygia for example. They don't really fill in the blanks but act as a nice que that the white walkers/Others fit into a larger context of weird horrible shit beyond the borders. Helps hint that they're elderich almost lovecratian in their aspects.
Another interesting thing to note from that book is that, unlike in the show, dragons refuse to cross the Wall. They're no more natural than any of this other shit I'd guess, and it's a barrier to them as much as to the Others.
 
Sadly I can't take pleasure in the meltdown of 'SJW' and stupid women. They were never dedicated fans,they never cared about the show as a whole, they were there only for their YAAAS QUEEN moments. They are completely irrelevant to me.
Everything about this show, since S5 has been a bastardization of the books, common sense, and logic.
This show is an insult to intelligence.
 
So speaking as someone who’s never watched an episode, if the bells going off is what triggered her and made her randomly snap...why did she not then immediately go attack said bells instead of flash-frying a bunch of rando civilians?
 
So speaking as someone who’s never watched an episode, if the bells going off is what triggered her and made her randomly snap...why did she not then immediately go attack said bells instead of flash-frying a bunch of rando civilians?


Because they need her gone next episode and they need to reduce the moral ambiguity in what happens next, which is why she decided to strafe the civilians rather than do anything strategic or even consistant with her personality. Since dumb and dumber can't tell the differance between ruthless and crazy.

It's like when they had Stannis kill his daughter in the name of fire cthulhu. Effectively wingus and dingus have forgotten that GoT wasnt really a morality play or popularity contest otherwise Renly would be king.
 
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So speaking as someone who’s never watched an episode, if the bells going off is what triggered her and made her randomly snap...why did she not then immediately go attack said bells instead of flash-frying a bunch of rando civilians?

The bells did NOT make her snap. That was a bad description in a batch of leaks that, although in hindsight true in nature, were snippets partial at best and lacking context. Most likely the leaker was either on set and the bells were the cue for the physical effects going off or somehow involved with the editing and managed to have a look at that segment.

I premise the following by saying that I consider myself to be a book-snob, I gloat at the ragefest the series is turning into and at the general mindless backlash of the GA and I hope the hacks D&D career will come out utterly destroyed.

What I gathered from that scene (and a debate can of course be had, on whether it succeeded in conveying it) is that the city has surrendered, Dany has won without bloodshed. And she does not like it. One episode prior she stated that she was not interested in parlaying a peaceful solution for the war, but it would however been useful that people saw her good faith in trying to negotiate with Cersei. So that the population would know whom to blame, when fire would have rained on them from the sky.

A prior scene in the last episode also established that Daenerys has finally realized she is not loved by Westeros. So she will have to resort to rule by fear, and that's it.

So now they surrendered, she has won, and it is not as rewarding as a fire-fueled open battle is to her. People are not blaming Cersei for the misery befelling on them. These ungrateful vermins must pay for it and set an example for the rest of Westeros. More generally, this is shattering her childish notion of herself as the beloved rightful queen people are waiting to cheer on and reinstate on the Throne. She is not the rightful heir, she is not beloved, she is not the savior she convinced herself to be.
This is the last straw on the progressive destruction of the entire mendacious identity she built for herself her whole life.

As I said in my last post in this thread, however, apart from the rush in the storytelling, the audience is reacting so badly because HBO, the showrunners, the conniving 'critics', the SJWs always portrayed Daenerys as a strong independent woman who can't do wrong, and the audience acritically lapped it up. Now they are crying about destroying her character and her arc (lol) for the sake of 'subverted expectations', and one way to cope with that is being snarky about the bells making her going bonkers, while it is still the same rushed, shoddy, hacked way of storytelling the last seasons had, courtesy of D&D, and that was praised to heaven by the same people now screaming bloody murder.
 
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So now they surrendered, she has won, and it is not as rewarding as a fire-fueled open battle is to her. People are not blaming Cersei for the misery befelling on them. These ungrateful vermins must pay for it and set an example for the rest of Westeros. More generally, this is shattering her childish notion of herself as the beloved rightful queen people are waiting to cheer on and reinstate on the Throne. She is not the rightful heir, she is not beloved, she is not the savior she convinced herself to be.
This is the last straw on the progressive destruction of the entire mendacious identity she built for herself her whole life.

Which is odd considering they always portrayed her as pretty self aware off the realpolitik aspects of being a ruler and frankly she did just save the entire world from ice satan. She's even commented that the idea people secretly loved her and her sped brother was bullshit a couple of times before.

Than again bad writting.
 
Sadly I can't take pleasure in the meltdown of 'SJW' and stupid women. They were never dedicated fans,they never cared about the show as a whole, they were there only for their YAAAS QUEEN moments. They are completely irrelevant to me.
Everything about this show, since S5 has been a bastardization of the books, common sense, and logic.
This show is an insult to intelligence.

You can't take pleasure in the fact that total idiots named their kids Khaleesi? I wish I could help you feel the joy I feel.
 
As I said in my last post in this thread, however, apart from the rush in the storytelling, the audience is reacting so badly because HBO, the showrunners, the conniving 'critics', the SJWs always portrayed Daenerys as a strong independent woman who can't do wrong, and the audience acritically lapped it up. Now they are crying about destroying her character and her arc (lol) for the sake of 'subverted expectations', and one way to cope with that is being snarky about the bells making her going bonkers, while it is still the same rushed, shoddy, hacked way of storytelling the last seasons had, courtesy of D&D, and that was praised to heaven by the same people now screaming bloody murder.

This is an important point. If you really follow the show closely from the beginning, Dany always had unstable moments and was prone to great acts of cruelty, though it was somewhat forgivable because her victims were pieces of shit and somewhat deserved it. The turning point for her was arriving in Westeros. She could have possibly been a good queen if she had remained in the slave cities and learned to rule, but her obsession with reclaiming the Iron Throne was all-encompassing even though she had never seen it and it was really a fantasy that her brother put in her head. Once she arrived in Westeros that was the beginning of her downfall. The critics, however, ignored her flaws and treated her as the savior of the world with no flaws, and so the people who bought into that have been horribly disappointed. I agree that the way she snapped was rushed but there was some precedence for it but I felt like Seasons 7 and 8 wasted that potential and that has contributed to the anger people feel about her character.
 
She's even commented that the idea people secretly loved her and her sped brother was bullshit a couple of times before.

In the first season, yes, when she's saying aloud that Viserys does not deserve to be king (and if you've read the books, she was planning to supplant him already long before that convo with Jorah). This is what she says in Qarth, S2:

Spice King:
You do not have an army. Do you have powerful allies in Westeros?
Daenerys Targaryen:
There are many there who support my claim.
Spice King:
When were you there last?
Daenerys Targaryen:
I left when I was a baby.
Spice King:
So in truth you have no allies.
Daenerys Targaryen:
The people will rise to fight for their rightful Queen when I return.
Spice King:
Ah. Forgive me little princess, but I cannot make an investment based on wishes and dreams!

"The people will rise to fight for their rightful Queen". Except they didn't. They were already guilty in her eyes to not rise in open rebellion against Cersei, as clearly shown in her summit with Tyrion at Dragonstone.

She states explicitly this episode she can rule through love or fear. Westerosi do not love her, they love Jon. Who is clearly repulsed when she tries to kiss him. «Alright then. Let it be fear».
Cue to her "sped" brother in S1:

Who can rule without wealth or fear of love?

Bad writing? Of fucking course, but on this subject, surely not worse than the usual the past seasons treated the audience with. And contrary to other cases, I argue the intentions for this particular character's arc are good, and the execution much better than their piss poor average. It's the severe plot compression and the - largely off-screen, in real life - lionization of Daenerys as a character that undermine such execution.


ETA: and immediately after the Spice King's last line, Dany drops all pretenses of being nice and shouts back «I am not your little princess. I am Daenerys Stormborn of the blood of Old Valyria and I will take what is mine! With Fire and Blood, I will take it.»
 
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Ok, so Dany is acting completely in character with the person she is in this episode. She is shown to be distant from Westeros and it's culture. Angry at the ungrateful people and the continent that she just now realise is nothing like the Westeros Viserys was talking about. She has lost most of her friends, and dragons, fighting for them. And the only thing she gets in return is scheming, betrayel and her closest advisors distrusting her instructions.

And that would have been cool, if it at all made sense with Dany's overall character. FFS, she just defeated the very concept of death. This is the girl that has more titles than orbiters, and she has a lot of orbiters. Book Dany would do nothing but gloat about this. The breaker of chains and the slayer of the darkness, or whatever it would be. She got over Khal Drogo's death by hamming it up as "mother of dragons". At least give us a shouting match were she arrogantly demands to be given all the credit for the victory over the night king, to establish her frustration with the Westerosi.

Another character than Dany could do what she did. Hell, even Book-Dany could end up being that person. Show Dany on the other hand did a complete fucking 360 in what felt like 20 minutes of screentime. Everyone saying that the sacking is unrealistic is also exceptional, Alexander did the exact same thing. The story is pacifistic, it would fit the theme for someone to do a sacking, but the planting, set-up and execution was rubbish.

But hey, it's the show, and it was entertaining, nothing to become mad at.
 
I watched the episode last night with post-show comments and D&D 'splain exactly what happens. She was lonely ... and apparently lonely people go on homicidal murder boner sprees. It may not make sense to you, but obviously D&D feel that way when they are by their lonesome. Sometimes the writing tells you more about writers than characters.

Also in the previous episode D said that they need to remove Cers "root and stem" ... well, how is that stand for any type of surgical, least collateral damage scenario? That's exactly what D did, "root and fucking stem" + some soil work.

I think that you guys are looking for a complicated explanation, while this is really meant to be a dumb simple outcome designed to produce unexpected salt wounds. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, not a dick of lizard anunaki people.

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