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Everyone turns into an exceptional individual.
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Hey, if you wanna push that angle she’s a better role model for it than Elliot Rodger
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You're being disingenuous. The context of the scene makes it clear that this a a bargaining tactic since she needs a ship and she understands the Spice King needs to expect some return on his investment. The Spice King meets her at the gate to Qarth and makes it clear the only reason they're interested in her is the novelty of her dragons. She has nothing else, except her hand maidens and the few dothraki, mostly women and children. The scenes around the episode make it clear that she understands that taking the Iron Throne isn't as simple as showing up.
DAENERYS: My friend, we have traveled very far. We have no food, no water. Once I see my people fed, I would be honored
SPICE KING: Forgive me, Mother of Dragons, but no man alive has seen a living dragon. Some of my more skeptical friends refuse to believe your children even exist. All we ask is the chance to see for ourselves.
DAENERYS: I am not a liar.
SPICE KING: Oh, I don't think you are. But as I've never met you before, my opinion on the matter is of limited value.
DAENERYS: Where I come from, guests are treated with respect, not insulted at the gates.
SPICE KING: Then perhaps you should return to where you come from. We wish you well.
SPICE KING: Forgive me, Mother of Dragons, but no man alive has seen a living dragon. Some of my more skeptical friends refuse to believe your children even exist. All we ask is the chance to see for ourselves.
DAENERYS: I am not a liar.
SPICE KING: Oh, I don't think you are. But as I've never met you before, my opinion on the matter is of limited value.
DAENERYS: Where I come from, guests are treated with respect, not insulted at the gates.
SPICE KING: Then perhaps you should return to where you come from. We wish you well.
DAENERYS: My brother used to say the only thing the Dothraki knew how to do was steal things better men have built.
JORAH: It's not the only thing. They're quite good at killing the better men.
DAENERYS: That's not the kind of queen I'm going to be.
JORAH: It's not the only thing. They're quite good at killing the better men.
DAENERYS: That's not the kind of queen I'm going to be.
XARO: You want to conquer the Seven Kingdoms for the Dothraki?
DAENERYS: I want them because they're mine by right. The Iron Throne is mine and I will take it.
XARO: Ah, a conqueror.
DAENERYS: And how did you get all of this? Did someone give it to you?
XARO: No. I come from nothing. I hit the docks like a piece of cargo, except someone normally cares what happens to cargo.
DAENERYS: So you wanted more than you had and you took it. You're a conqueror, too. You're just less ambitious.
DAENERYS: I want them because they're mine by right. The Iron Throne is mine and I will take it.
XARO: Ah, a conqueror.
DAENERYS: And how did you get all of this? Did someone give it to you?
XARO: No. I come from nothing. I hit the docks like a piece of cargo, except someone normally cares what happens to cargo.
DAENERYS: So you wanted more than you had and you took it. You're a conqueror, too. You're just less ambitious.
XARO: All? Let us say half. More than enough to buy horses, ships, armies. Enough to go home.
DAENERYS: All I have to do?
XARO: Is marry me.
DAENERYS: That was a romantic proposal.
XARO: I've already married once for love, but the gods stole her from me. I come from nothing. My mother and father never owned a pair of shoes. But marry me, and I will give you the Seven Kingdoms and our children will be princes and princesses.
DAENERYS thinks about his proposition.
XARO: See? I have more ambition than you thought. The time is right, Daenerys Targaryen, First of Your Name. Robert Baratheon is dead.
DAENERYS: All I have to do?
XARO: Is marry me.
DAENERYS: That was a romantic proposal.
XARO: I've already married once for love, but the gods stole her from me. I come from nothing. My mother and father never owned a pair of shoes. But marry me, and I will give you the Seven Kingdoms and our children will be princes and princesses.
DAENERYS thinks about his proposition.
XARO: See? I have more ambition than you thought. The time is right, Daenerys Targaryen, First of Your Name. Robert Baratheon is dead.
JORAH: If you cross the sea with an army you bought and a foreign husband who paid for it . . .
DAENERYS: The Seven Kingdoms are at war with one another. Four false kings destroying the country.
JORAH: To win Westeros, you need support from Westeros.
DAENERYS: The usurper is dead.
JORAH: (laughs)
DAENERYS: The Starks fight the Lannisters, and Baratheons fight each other.
JORAH: According to your new friend who earned your trust by cutting his hand?
DAENERYS: The time to strike is now. We need to find ships and an army or we'll spend the rest of our lives rotting away at the edge of the world.
JORAH: Rich men do not become rich by giving more than they get. They'll give you ships and soldiers and they'll own you forever. Moving carefully is the hard way, but it's the right way.
DAENERYS: And if I'd listened to that advice outside the gates of Qarth, we'd all be dead by now.
JORAH: I know the opportunity before you seems like the last you'll ever have, - but you must
DAENERYS: Do not speak to me like I'm a child.
JORAH: I only want
DAENERYS: What do you want? Tell me.
JORAH: To see you on the Iron Throne.
DAENERYS: Why?
JORAH: You have a good claim. A title. A birthright. But you have something more than that. You may cover it up and deny it, but you have a gentle heart. You would not only be respected and feared, you would be loved. Someone who can rule and should rule. Centuries come and go without a person like that coming into the world. There are times when I look at you and I still can't believe you're real.
DAENERYS: So what would you have me do, as my advisor?
JORAH: Make your own way. Find your own ship. You only need one. The allies we need are in Westeros, not Qarth.
DAENERYS: And how do I get the ship?
JORAH: I'll find it for you. A sound ship with a good captain.
DAENERYS: I look forward to meeting him.
DAENERYS: The Seven Kingdoms are at war with one another. Four false kings destroying the country.
JORAH: To win Westeros, you need support from Westeros.
DAENERYS: The usurper is dead.
JORAH: (laughs)
DAENERYS: The Starks fight the Lannisters, and Baratheons fight each other.
JORAH: According to your new friend who earned your trust by cutting his hand?
DAENERYS: The time to strike is now. We need to find ships and an army or we'll spend the rest of our lives rotting away at the edge of the world.
JORAH: Rich men do not become rich by giving more than they get. They'll give you ships and soldiers and they'll own you forever. Moving carefully is the hard way, but it's the right way.
DAENERYS: And if I'd listened to that advice outside the gates of Qarth, we'd all be dead by now.
JORAH: I know the opportunity before you seems like the last you'll ever have, - but you must
DAENERYS: Do not speak to me like I'm a child.
JORAH: I only want
DAENERYS: What do you want? Tell me.
JORAH: To see you on the Iron Throne.
DAENERYS: Why?
JORAH: You have a good claim. A title. A birthright. But you have something more than that. You may cover it up and deny it, but you have a gentle heart. You would not only be respected and feared, you would be loved. Someone who can rule and should rule. Centuries come and go without a person like that coming into the world. There are times when I look at you and I still can't believe you're real.
DAENERYS: So what would you have me do, as my advisor?
JORAH: Make your own way. Find your own ship. You only need one. The allies we need are in Westeros, not Qarth.
DAENERYS: And how do I get the ship?
JORAH: I'll find it for you. A sound ship with a good captain.
DAENERYS: I look forward to meeting him.
DAENERYS: The Spice King refuses me because I'm a bad investment. The Silk King won't support me because of his business with the Lannisters. Why offend his best customer? And the Copper King offers me a single ship on the condition that I lie with him for a night. Does he think I will whore myself for a boat?
DAENERYS: We can't find her. She must be dead, too. I led my people out of the Red Waste and into the slaughterhouse.
JORAH: I should have been here.
DAENERYS: You went to find me a ship.
JORAH: My place is by your side. I shouldn't have left you alone with these people.
DAENERYS: "These people"?
JORAH: They are not to be trusted.
DAENERYS: And who is to be trusted? Who are my people? The Targaryens? I only knew one, my brother, and he would have let a thousand men rape me if it had got him the crown. The Dothraki? Most of them turned on me the day that Khal Drogo fell from his horse.
JORAH: Your people are in Westeros.
DAENERYS: The people in Westeros don't know I'm alive.
JORAH: They will soon enough.
DAENERYS: And then what? They'll pray for my return? They'll wave dragon banners and shout my name? That's what my brother believed and he was a fool.
JORAH: You are not your brother.
JORAH: I should have been here.
DAENERYS: You went to find me a ship.
JORAH: My place is by your side. I shouldn't have left you alone with these people.
DAENERYS: "These people"?
JORAH: They are not to be trusted.
DAENERYS: And who is to be trusted? Who are my people? The Targaryens? I only knew one, my brother, and he would have let a thousand men rape me if it had got him the crown. The Dothraki? Most of them turned on me the day that Khal Drogo fell from his horse.
JORAH: Your people are in Westeros.
DAENERYS: The people in Westeros don't know I'm alive.
JORAH: They will soon enough.
DAENERYS: And then what? They'll pray for my return? They'll wave dragon banners and shout my name? That's what my brother believed and he was a fool.
JORAH: You are not your brother.
As you can see, at no point while in conversation with anyone that she's not trying to get anything from does she boast about her claim to her throne. She's simply trying to convince them that she's such a sure thing that giving her a ship is a small investment with a great reward, and when she gets frustrated that no one is biting she resorts to threats but the key here is that she WANTS to rule with diplomacy and she makes that attempt first. The reason her attack on King's Landing is such bad writing is exactly because it's a glaring contradiction to this previous stance of hers, where she doesn't even attempt diplomacy, only demands and violence.
The discussions with Jorah show that she doesn't believe the people will rise up to support her. She does see the tactical advantage of attacking now that it's divided and distracted by wars, and she doesn't think that she simply needs to step foot on the shores and people will start fighting for her. No, she knows she needs an army. It's Jorah that talks her down to sailing across and making allies there. When Jorah returns later, she mocks the idea that the people of Westeros will fight for her or that they even know of her.
The suggestion that Daenarys was always this naive little girl who threw tantrums when she didn't get her way except now her strops have dragons, isn't true when you look at the previous season indepth. Daenarys knew the value of bargaining and of military advantage. She still might have been a poor Queen. Her rule in Mereen wasn't exactly smooth sailing. But the problem is that those fundamental values went out the window before she even began, so it doesn't even seem like it's really Daenarys who's burning KL but some caricature cooked up by D&D which ignores pretty much everything else in the show leading up to it.
As in, you could have done this episode and had Daenarys burning KL, but let her try and parley with Cersei first and get nowhere, just like the Spice King. Let her send people into flea bottom under disguise through the open gates to try and spread dissension and incite riots in the peasantry, only to find them willing to stick with Cersei because the bitch has survived attacks from Stannis and Robb and the High Sparrow, while everyone else is dead. Maybe they're even suspicious because Daenerys is with Tyrion, and he's a kinslayer and a dwarf. What sort of Queen consorts with such monsters? Then Daenerys gets angry, and makes threats, just like with the Spice King, only this time she can back them up. And when the bells ring for surrender, she still doesn't stop.
It presents the case that Daenarys couldn't have taken the city any other way, and yet, still allows her to go too far. Because every previous instance of 'madness' on her part has always been a morality conflict. Take the burning of the Tarlys. She offered to let them bend the knee and they refused. As high ranking members she sent a message to the rest of the armies that she meant what she said by executing them. But the question becomes, did she go too far by having them burnt alive or not letting them take the black? And that's how almost every instance of her madness and bloodshed has been up until now, a question, an open debate...until this season, where she's cast off any concept of how to win friends and influence people and jumps instead directly to 'burn 'em all', as if she's suddenly forgotten that love can be bought.
The discussions with Jorah show that she doesn't believe the people will rise up to support her. She does see the tactical advantage of attacking now that it's divided and distracted by wars, and she doesn't think that she simply needs to step foot on the shores and people will start fighting for her. No, she knows she needs an army. It's Jorah that talks her down to sailing across and making allies there. When Jorah returns later, she mocks the idea that the people of Westeros will fight for her or that they even know of her.
The suggestion that Daenarys was always this naive little girl who threw tantrums when she didn't get her way except now her strops have dragons, isn't true when you look at the previous season indepth. Daenarys knew the value of bargaining and of military advantage. She still might have been a poor Queen. Her rule in Mereen wasn't exactly smooth sailing. But the problem is that those fundamental values went out the window before she even began, so it doesn't even seem like it's really Daenarys who's burning KL but some caricature cooked up by D&D which ignores pretty much everything else in the show leading up to it.
As in, you could have done this episode and had Daenarys burning KL, but let her try and parley with Cersei first and get nowhere, just like the Spice King. Let her send people into flea bottom under disguise through the open gates to try and spread dissension and incite riots in the peasantry, only to find them willing to stick with Cersei because the bitch has survived attacks from Stannis and Robb and the High Sparrow, while everyone else is dead. Maybe they're even suspicious because Daenerys is with Tyrion, and he's a kinslayer and a dwarf. What sort of Queen consorts with such monsters? Then Daenerys gets angry, and makes threats, just like with the Spice King, only this time she can back them up. And when the bells ring for surrender, she still doesn't stop.
It presents the case that Daenarys couldn't have taken the city any other way, and yet, still allows her to go too far. Because every previous instance of 'madness' on her part has always been a morality conflict. Take the burning of the Tarlys. She offered to let them bend the knee and they refused. As high ranking members she sent a message to the rest of the armies that she meant what she said by executing them. But the question becomes, did she go too far by having them burnt alive or not letting them take the black? And that's how almost every instance of her madness and bloodshed has been up until now, a question, an open debate...until this season, where she's cast off any concept of how to win friends and influence people and jumps instead directly to 'burn 'em all', as if she's suddenly forgotten that love can be bought.
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DRUMS! Blackwater - Game of Thrones 2x09
Very short scene, but i think the drums gave the battle an epic beginning.
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DRUMS! Blackwater - Game of Thrones 2x09
Very short scene, but i think the drums gave the battle an epic beginning.
Juuuuuuust gonna leave this here
A sentiment I've seen repeated across the innernets: "Did D&D watch their own show?"
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I come bearing gifts comrades.
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This is part 1 of those people's reaction in that bar. The other 2 parts are there.
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Edit : Man, I'm really tempted to compile a list of great comments from this season and compiling them. Would anyone be interested in that?
Elizabeth Warren hardest hit by latest 'Game of Thrones' plot turn
Note: This article on Elizabeth Warren contains "Game of Thrones" spoilers from Season 8, Episode 5.
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This is part 1 of those people's reaction in that bar. The other 2 parts are there.
Game Of Thrones // Burlington Bar Reactions // S8E5 Part ONE Reaction!!!
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Elizabeth Warren thinks she can ride the outrage from game of thrones into the white house? Even the wokest person who is mad right now will forget in a month, and hearing "oh yeah elizabeth warren was also disappointed and upset by this hot garbage" will be forgotten even sooner. What won't be forgotten is that she pretended to be native american and materially benefited from that lie, a lie which she herself proved false. Bitch is fucking delusional and I bet she wishes she had a dragon so she could burn the ungrateful plebs who don't respect her like YAAS SLAY QUEEN
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a shot of Drogon flying over King's Landing was shown during one of Bran's visions in season 4.
Also,I would say the season 2's vision would be a clever foreshadowing since it was actually ashes and not snow falling...if it wasn't the fact the people in the commentary track explicitly saying it's snow...
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We agree to disagree. It would be a looong discussion on Watsonian and Doylist motives, the identification of Dany's arc in the series, which at this point is clearly a tragic one, whether it is correctly paced (IMHO not, turning point and death experience are happening far too late) and thematically sound, if the showrunners managed to successfully present it and so on, for which I am not the best suited, as I dropped the series in season 4 (using the books as a crutch would at this point be disingenuous x2), and most importantly for which I have no desire XD D&D got me ranting enough five years ago, I won't waste my time on such sub-par storytelling anymore.
Cheers!
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And then we have this one...
No, I think the true meaning of a Game of Thrones (and other nihilist pandering bullcrap) is that the writers were able to convince you to pay them money for something you thought would have meaning but actually doesn't, at least for you. For them it does, because they have your money.
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And then we have this one...
No, I think the true meaning of a Game of Thrones (and other nihilist pandering bullcrap) is that the writers were able to convince you to pay them money for something you thought would have meaning but actually doesn't, at least for you. For them it does, because they have your money.
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Oh I don't disagree with any of that. It's absolutely sub-par storytelling. My only point is that if people are trying to push this 'love or fear' dichotomy as being a superior trigger to the bells, they're deluding themselves. Both are reflective of terrible writing by D&D with an utter disregard of everything that came before that simply underlines the fact that the showrunners just don't care anymore.
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Just checked out r/freefolk and boy is it enjoyable.
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I see this reasoning catching some wind however, Bran's vision doesn't have the city burning. It is just a shadow of Drogon, and in Dany's vision we only see the Red Keep destroyed and covered in snow/ash. So if the NK won, the same vision would apply, the interpretation is too broad.
Also DD's reasoning is that oh she just wanted to make it personal with Cercei, she was Eliot Rodger all along.
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So winter AND fire came to King's Landing after all. Expectations subverted!
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Sansa brings back undead Viserion and rides him down to Kings Landing to use ice to destroy fire?
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If the leaks are gonna be true (lol) I wanna see the cucks defending such decisions like Bran being King and Bronn a member of the council.
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