Game of Thrones Thread

This show shat the bed SO badly that I really don't care whether I see the final 3 episodes or not. I'm definitely not excited to watch them when they air; that's for damn sure. I'm not going to plan my schedule around them anymore.

And fuck the books, too. They will never get finished.

A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones: Wasted potential.

Tolkien forever reigns supreme on creating the best fantasy epic of all time, as far as I'm concerned. I hope he's smoking a big pipe in the afterlife right now.
 
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I mean, I do see what they're going for by leaving Cercei until last. They're setting her up as the final hurdle because she's the more emotional climax. People like Jaime, although they've been lied to and manipulated, will miss her. Even Tyrion, in a way, will find it regrettable that he couldn't reconcile with her. King's Landing matters. There are innocents there.

The war against the Long Night is the greater threat to continued humanity, but there are no innocents on the Night King's side, just the dead. No one will grieve the Night King. It's the more important battle but it's also a matter of pragmatism and necessity. They're trying to go for the more cathartic ending for the characters.

That doesn't mean they couldn't have spent more than a single episode wrapping up a storyline that's been building since the very first scene in the first episode, but that's what happens when you also condense your final season into six episodes with two major plot lines still to play out.
 
Dany is the big threat and the final endboss.
Cercei's prophecy foretold that a younger more beautiful queen will dethrone her.
Since The Throne is obviously Female it's either Sansa or Dani. I don't really follow if the rest of the female cast qualifies.

I edited the post because I realized Arya is not beautiful.
 
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Cercei's prophecy foretold that a younger more beautiful queen will dethrone her.
That already happened though with Margaery.

The only thing left about Cercei's prophecy is being killed by the valonqir (little brother), but that wasn't in the show, so even that is doubtful. But if that is kept, I wonder if it's Jaime or Tyrion who will kill her. Of course she would have thought it was Tyrion with "little" brother, but considering she was born first and then Jaime, it might as well be Jaime.

Considering that if Dany is the big evil and considering that she will probably lose as she lost the most of her army last fight, that would mean that Jon is rightful king and in position, but he'll probably refuse. Who would be next in line of succession? Gendry. A bastard on the throne.
 
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Someone made passing reference the dothraki charge was unplanned. Personally not buying it, but it would have at least been a good cop out for the stupidity.

Personally the unsullied and dothraki being nearly eliminated was pretext for the writers to avoid the problems of a foreign army fighting a civil war for the good guys (which I vaguely recall being mentioned as a huge issue in the books) Now the heroes have to win with home grown talent and two dragons, while the Lannister army is now the foreign one.
Ser Barristan cautioned Dany that if she arrived in Westeros at the head of an army of foreign barbarians, mercenaries, and slaves, that the people would likely turn against her. Ser Barristan is sort of like Dany's Davos except she never actually listens to him, while Stannis listened to Davos about 50% of the time.

This show shat the bed SO badly that I really don't care whether I see the final 3 episodes or not. I'm definitely not excited to watch them when they air; that's for damn sure. I'm not going to plan my schedule around them anymore.

And fuck the books, too. They will never get finished.

A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones: Wasted potential.

Tolkien forever reigns supreme on creating the best fantasy epic of all time, as far as I'm concerned. I hope he's smoking a big pipe in the afterlife right now.
I've mentioned it before but Prince of Nothing is fantastic and will probably actually be finished because the author is still poor enough to have to work for a living. There was also some fun internet drama over it involving a major online critic turning out to be someone pretending to be a woman and writing a bunch of negative reviews for it and other scifi and fantasy novels to try and tank their rivals with internet mobs that I have to wonder if this forum covered at some point.

The war against the Long Night is the greater threat to continued humanity, but there are no innocents on the Night King's side, just the dead. No one will grieve the Night King. It's the more important battle but it's also a matter of pragmatism and necessity. They're trying to go for the more cathartic ending for the characters.
A shame they went with weird necromantic hive mind. Indaboox the white walkers appear to have individual personalities, their own language, and capacity for sadism.

Cercei's prophecy foretold that a younger more beautiful queen will dethrone her.
Since The Throne is obviously Female it's either Sansa or Dani. I don't really follow if the rest of the female cast qualifies.

I edited the post because I realized Arya is not beautiful.
That's ok, neither is Sansa. And Dany is merely cute at best. Lena Headey is by far the most attractive of the bunch on the show.
 
One of the things that stood out to me the most is how several characters were able to survive being surrounded by tons of wights. Hundreds of Unsullied got rolled over by the avalanche of wights in a few minutes but somehow Brienne and Jamie were able to survive for several minutes when they were pressed against a wall and surrounded.
When the wights were trying to get into the castle they were a nonstop flood but once they actually got in and the Night King blew a hole in the wall they seemed to slow to a trickle even though there were supposed to be a hundred thousand of them.

Overall I thought the episode was okay because of the visual spectacle (even though it was hard to make out a lot of the time) but several things were poorly executed or didn't make much sense.

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Speaking of prophecies Daenerys has to be The Prince that was promised aka Azor Ahai, but that prophecy got fucked.
The great dark is definitely not Cercei wearing black.
 
I have a theory. This is largely a "shower thought" and I am 99% certain this accounts as nothing but wishful thinking on my part but I want to share this bit of spergery in the very, very, slim chance I'm right.

What if the Long Night is still in effect and Bran is essentially infected/ now a sleeper agent for the White Walkers?

"But we saw him die."

We saw the Night King's body die, yes. But recall back to that warging scene in the last episode. Any time Bran tried to spy on the Night King, the King would sever the connection, but this time Bran never un-warged until the Night King was right in the courtyard. Another key element was the shot of the Night King in silhouette, eyes glowing, reaching forward as if to touch the viewer. What it the POV was in fact Bran, and the two were in actual contact the entire time.

I recall there being an idea with wargs being able to transfer their consciousnesses into other living beings when they die. What if the Night King warged his consciousness into Bran upon his death?

"But what would be the point?"

Because the Night King and the White Walkers want to destroy two things- they despise mankind (the reason the White Walkers were created) and the Children of the Forest (the race that created them). As Sam Tarly mentioned in S8E2, they want to destroy everything in its entirety, right down to the memory of humankind's existence.

And while it could be doable with sheer numbers alone to wipe out mankind, that might not get everything and everyone. Why not corrupt them entirely by overtaking the 3-Eyed Crow, who has been proven to have weird timey-wimey powers?

Further, why not infect the one person who has pretty much been nothing but a fly on the wall this entire time, observing their plans? And who will continue to be a fly on the wall as the south fights the north, essentially doing the work for the NK, wearing down their numbers until it's time to strike when they're exhausted and completely unprepared.

"But if that's the case, he sacrificed his entire army of the dead!"

And that is the beauty of the thing - they're dead. The Night King doesn't need to spend entire seasons doing to other kingdoms to raise an army- he apparently can just be in the presence of dead and command them fight for him. They kill more, and the more bodies he claims.

It is a sacrifice play indeed, wiping out hundreds of thousands of thralls, but now the NK would be able to maneuver in secret and wait for the best time to reappear. Perhaps during a fight with Cersei's forces - imagine the Night King being able to take over the Golden Company and Euron's fleets after essentially having the North give it to him on a golden platter.
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But like I said at the beginning, I know this is probably entirely wishful thinking and overwrought headcannoning on my part.
 
Cercei's prophecy foretold that a younger more beautiful queen will dethrone her.
Since The Throne is obviously Female it's either Sansa or Dani. I don't really follow if the rest of the female cast qualifies.

I edited the post because I realized Arya is not beautiful.

So some prophecies are true based on cherry picking from the writers? Because based on this past episode, a lot of prophecies turned out being a load of bullshit.

Yeah. This show can go to hell.
 
Bookreaders, help me out.
Was it confirmed that Azor Ahai was supposed to fight White Walkers? The wiki made it sound like the WW were a prophetic sign rather than the calamity AA is supposed to fix. For all I know, it could mean his reincarnation will bring peace and prosperity to Westeros for the first time in centuries.
One prophecy:

There will come a day after a long summer when the stars bleed and the cold breath of darkness falls heavy on the world. In this dread hour a warrior shall draw from the fire a burning sword. And that sword shall be Lightbringer, the Red Sword of Heroes, and he who clasps it shall be Azor Ahai come again, and the darkness shall flee before him.


Another:

When the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt to wake dragons out of stone.

and:

Darkness lay over the world and a hero, Azor Ahai, was chosen to fight against it. To fight the darkness, Azor Ahai needed to forge a hero's sword. He labored for thirty days and thirty nights until it was done. However, when he went to temper it in water, the sword broke. He was not one to give up easily, so he started over. The second time he took fifty days and fifty nights to make the sword, even better than the first. To temper it this time, he captured a lion and drove the sword into its heart, but once more the steel shattered. The third time, with a heavy heart, for he knew before hand what he must do to finish the blade, he worked for a hundred days and nights until it was finished. This time, he called for his wife, Nissa Nissa, and asked her to bare her breast. He drove his sword into her breast, her soul combining with the steel of the sword, creating Lightbringer, while her cry of anguish and ecstasy left a crack across the face of the moon
 
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Melisandre has been wrong about her prophecies before, just ask Shireen. So whoever Azor Ahai is is still out there.

Jon could be in the running. Arya only came back to Winterfell because Jon was there. I really want Davos to be Azor Ahai because I love Davos and some of the prophecy alludes to him with the salt and smoke part referring to him surviving Blackwater. He also just casually picks up Stannis’s fake Lightbringer.
 
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Prophecies are breakable in this series. Dany's son was supposed to be super Genghis Khan but Mirri Maaz Duur aborted him.
 
I read this and it gave me goosebumps.
Fuck.

Up till now, I didn't really know how to feel, but now I do.
Everything could have been better than what we got. Even this, as little sense as it makes, is far superior to canon.
Why? Cause it is actually doing something emotionally, which isn't just "Teleporting Quasimodo stabs endboss in the dick in the most anticlimactic way ever". It has a payoff for a character's personal story. Arya killing the Night King does not feel like a logical point in her story.

It's not even just that Arya gets the kill and nothing hints at her being even vaguely linked to the Azor Ahai legend, it's that the scene is so poorly done, it is painful to think about it. S7 saw entire armies and fleets teleport all over Westeros to be whereever they need to be, in order to do whatever they need to do. Now we have Arya doing the same.
Arya comes out of nowhere, no fucking clue how she got there, past a couple hundred zombies and then kills the BBEG with such a lackluster move.
Episode 4 might as well be Cersei on her throne, Qyburn reading a raven message to her that Winterfell was attacked by zombies yesterday, and suddenly an arm comes up from behind the throne, grabs Cersei, drags her down and she gets stabbed in the throat. Cut to Arya standing over her body. Last 2 Episodes are Benioff and Weiss pointing at the camera making "wanking" motions with their hands and laughing.

It's a huge letdown to say the least.

Arya can be Azor Ahai, that's not the point, it's that for one thing, nothing in the show even hints at that (aside from Melisandre getting interested in Arya for no reason for like 5 minutes before she leaves) and for the other, narratively speaking Jon Snow is in a much more deserving position to fulfill the prophecy. So what, is Arya now going to be the Queen of the 7 Kingdoms, too?
Jon Snow was brought back from the dead, he did a shitton of stuff to move the Night King plot forward and then he's not the one to get the kill? That's bullshit from a purely narrative POV. And what does he do in this battle? A whole lot of nothing, followed by a little dance with the Night King's pet and then the battle is over. There's a couple scenes where Jon runs past Sam and others that clearly need help, but he knows that killing the Night King is a bigger priority, so he runs past. There's no payoff to that, now.
If the moral of the story would have been that Jon had to sacrifice a few friends to make it to the NK, it would have mirrored the whole "Stab my girl in the breast to make Lightbringer" in a way that Azor Ahai has to sacrifice something to succeed.

It is a waste through and through.
7 Seasons of buildup. The masterfully done 2nd Episode to set the tone... and then this?
I'm so fucking done.

Remind me who said it... I remember it being said I just want to know.
I think it was the "prophecy" of some old woman when Dany married Khal Drogo, based on some legend of the Dothraki. And she sort of fulfilled it when she "gave birth" to 3 Dragons.

1. If the plan was to lure the night king to the weirwood forest, why did they only have five ironborn archers defending? What was the trap?

2. Why did the evilest of all evil of the show kill less important characters than one treacherous wedding?

3. Why the fuck is the show so stupid with hiding in the crypt?

4. Who places siege engines and infantry outside the perimeter?
1) The big idea was to use the dragons on the Night King. Turns out their "can melt fucking castles" fire is no match for a bit of white pride.

2) Cause plotarmor is now a thing.

3) Frankly, hiding in the crypt is not that stupid. From a narrative POV, making the NK be able to raise random dead, even if they have been dead for decades or hundreds of years, is fucking stupid beyond believe. It feels so wrong to think that random Stark ancestors now killed a shitton of people in the crypts. It almost feels like that aspect of the show got violated. It's really fucking stupid and makes no sense.

4) Absolute morons. The same that don't man the walls the moment they retreat inside the castle. Might have helped if they had given a reason why the army is outside. Something like "We can't put so many people inside the castle, they are way too many" or "Staying inside with a regular siege would be the best strategy, but this is the army of the dead and they advance no matter what, so we have to fight them before the walls and whittle down as many as possible before they reach the wall."

But I am so beyond giving a fuck that I will not even attempt to come up with an excuse why they would choose the silly option of staying outside. The show does not give us a reason for that and it's stupid.
 
Unsurprisingly, tumblr is loving the shit out of this, saying things like YAS QUEEN and how the politics mattered more than some "Chosen One prophecy". Are we watching the same show? The fucking show's first scene in the first episode of the first season is all about establishing these guys as the big bad, and even fucking Melisandre claims how they're more important than the fucking race throne, and these tumblrinas claim Sansa going on catfights with Cersei is "more important"?

Goddamn why is Tumblr attracted so much to bad writing..
 
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It's not even just that Arya gets the kill and nothing hints at her being even vaguely linked to the Azor Ahai legend, it's that the scene is so poorly done, it is painful to think about it. S7 saw entire armies and fleets teleport all over Westeros to be whereever they need to be, in order to do whatever they need to do. Now we have Arya doing the same.
Arya comes out of nowhere, no fucking clue how she got there, past a couple hundred zombies and then kills the BBEG with such a lackluster move.
It's because ARYA IS AMAZING!!!111!!1!
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I don’t think it’s been confirmed who Azor Ahai is. Everyone’s jumping the gun.

I would love to see Cersei pull a Mr Burns like scheme of blocking the sun or some shit since she’s pretty much become an incestuous Mr Burns. So she creates an endless night and then Jon and Dany’s baby becomes Azor Ahai and shoots her with a crossbow after she tries to take candy from it.
 
I don’t think it’s been confirmed who Azor Ahai is. Everyone’s jumping the gun.

I would love to see Cersei pull a Mr Burns like scheme of blocking the sun or some shit since she’s pretty much become an incestuous Mr Burns. So she creates an endless night and then Jon and Dany’s baby becomes Azor Ahai and shoots her with a crossbow after she tries to take candy from it.

It wouldn't be azor ahai if that person doesn't have to kill their loved one to bring forth lightbringer; in the book it's ambiguous and jon might have killed ygritte with an arrow, but in the show only dany killed her loved one. So unless jon kills dany, or jaime kills cersei, only dany meets the prophecy of azor ahai. She might anyways, considering that azor ahai would wake dragons from stone.
 
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