Game of Thrones Thread

yes, but not because of the HRE system they impleneted. the problem is the great familys are in total shambles.
This isn't even the first time the next king was chosen by a council in Westerosi history. It's just the single stupidest outcome one of those councils reached.

and the BTW IM WORKING WITH FROMSOFTWARE TO MAKE A GAME AND CANT FINISH MY BOOKS RIT NAO.
Wait he is? I think I'd rather have that than the next book at this point.
 
Dunno if its been mentioned yet, but a post on FreeFolk made the great point that if the Jon/Dany romance plot was dropped and Jorah wound up surviving to the end and eventually being the one forced to kill Dany after she went genocidally insane, the endgame storyline would not have sucked nearly as much since this would lead to Jon then taking the throne, Bran either fucking off with the Wildlings to be hooked back up to the weirwood network or staying on the Small Council, and Jorah finally fulfilling his fathers wish by being sent to the wall to lead the new Nights Watch which is now openly allied with the Wildlings to rebuild beyond the wall and make sure the White Walkers never come back.

Aint exactly shakespeare but at least a couple of plotlines get satisfactory payoff as opposed to the shit we got
 
the last two episodes were very solid IMO. Extremely ballsy of the showrunners to take YASSS QUEEN SLAYYYY and do what they did with her.

They were better than some of the previous ones but I got the feeling that they wrote the ending, that was their main focus, and worked backwards from there through season 6 and 7. A lot of things were either rushed or fan fiction quality in those seasons.

Was I the only one confused when it was snowing in King's Landing(it wasn't ash) and then they drag Tyrion out into a nice summer day in that wrecked coliseum?
 
They were better than some of the previous ones but I got the feeling that they wrote the ending, that was their main focus, and worked backwards from there through season 6 and 7. A lot of things were either rushed or fan fiction quality in those seasons.

I absolutely believe they wrote the ending and worked backwards. There were so many missed character opportunities, odd plot elements, and pacing problems that it's the only way to explain the things that happened. (Like Littlefinger's completely unconvincing death, for example. It makes zero sense, but they had no use for the character anymore so they wrote something terrible to get him out of the way.)

And it's okay to write the ending first, but if it seems like you did that to the reader/viewer... you fucked up. And they did. Quite a lot.

Was I the only one confused when it was snowing in King's Landing(it wasn't ash) and then they drag Tyrion out into a nice summer day in that wrecked coliseum?

We could fill a massive thread with the inane stuff that happened in the final 3 seasons. It was so bad it reminded me of The Walking Dead (back before I gave up on it), where you couldn't go a single episode without half a dozen things happening that made no sense.
 
Killing the White Walkers resulted in the seasons reversing. Now every single day is a different season

Or D&D forgot (or didn't care) that seasons last more than a few months in Westeros.

I absolutely believe they wrote the ending and worked backwards.

See, the opposite makes more sense to me, I feel like if they'd written it backwards there would have been more build up and lead-ins into plots over the last three seasons. So much of what happened, just sort of happened without more than a couple episodes of foreplay, and when it did happen, so much of it just ended up being fan service and things fans were already hyped for...until the last two episodes, where they promptly thought 'shit,this is GoT, fans are meant to be sad and upset, quick, burn it all down'.
 
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We could fill a massive thread with the inane stuff that happened in the final 3 seasons. It was so bad it reminded me of The Walking Dead (back before I gave up on it), where you couldn't go a single episode without half a dozen things happening that made no sense.

One of the many things that bugged me was when they shot down the dragon from the boats. Ignoring that a shit ton of black boats hiding between two small islands, something that could be seen from the air, that she retreated seemed like a blunder. Take the long way around and sneak up from the back. It felt like a board game/civ battle where two units clash and one is on a better tile. In the books things were better thought out, maybe they would show that they had crossbows on the back or something, being well prepared.

Screaming while doing a dramatic dive with the dragon was anime as fuck and I didn't like it. That they in a hot minute got Jamie/Brienne and Arya/Gendry to fuck really felt like fan fiction as well. Writing from the books meant that they couldn't take that many liberties, if Tyrion died in book 4 they couldn't just go "nuh uh, we like him, we're going to marry him to Daenarys and he will have a midget dragon to ride", but with the last two seasons they were (largely) free to indulge in what they and the audience want to see as fans.
 
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HBO wanted 10 full seasons, and then more episodes for seasons 7 and 8, and the showrunners refused. They super wanted to be done with the show so they can go make Star Wars. The confederate show is dead in the water afaik.

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if Tyrion died in book 4 they couldn't just go "nuh uh, we like him, we're going to marry him to Daenarys and he will have a midget dragon to ride", but with the last two seasons they were (largely) free to indulge in what they and the audience want to see as fans.
Tell that to Jeyne Westerling, the girl who's keep is conquered by Robb and then coaxed by her parents to go and "heal" him. Then when he thinks his brothers are murdered by theon, she sleeps with him in his grief and he marries her only out of protecting her honor.

Whereas in the show it's just "Omg I'm so in love with this foreign girl".

Or Barristan who still went on to do more things but was killed early in the show.

Considerable liberties are taken, including with who dies.
 
Tell that to Jeyne Westerling, the girl who's keep is conquered by Robb and then coaxed by her parents to go and "heal" him. Then when he thinks his brothers are murdered by theon, she sleeps with him in his grief and he marries her only out of protecting her honor.

Whereas in the show it's just "Omg I'm so in love with this foreign girl".

Or Barristan who still went on to do more things but was killed early in the show.

Considerable liberties are taken, including with who dies.

But not who lives among the principal characters, Robb Stark is dead as fuck, they couldn't avoid that and make up their own stories for him. With the last 2½-ish seasons they've been able to do just that.

Barristan Selmy becoming the queen slayer could have been a thing. Then him and Jaime gay out in the snow.
 
The more I think about Dany’s death the angrier I get. Aside from how anticlimactic and forced it is, the lack of backlash is unbelievable. All we get is Grey Worm saying he wants to kill Jon Snow, which he doesn’t follow through with because apparently he’s okay with Jon being exiled. The Unsullied practically worship Dany as their liberator and hero, they should have killed Jon immediately instead of just throwing him in a dungeon.

And what about the Dothraki? When Khal Drogo died, they splintered off into smaller groups that immediately began raiding and pillaging the surrounding areas. We’ve been shown that only Dany kept their warmongering impulses in check, now that she’s gone they should be pillaging Westeros like everyone feared they would. There’s also the fact that Dany named all the Dothraki warriors her bloodriders, which means that they should want to avenge her death (which, again, means they would want to kill Jon).

We could have had an entire season dealing with the fallout of Dany's death. Instead we suffer though a shitty contrived resolution just so D&D could wrap it up in 30 minutes.
 
The more I think about Dany’s death the angrier I get. Aside from how anticlimactic and forced it is, the lack of backlash is unbelievable. All we get is Grey Worm saying he wants to kill Jon Snow, which he doesn’t follow through with because apparently he’s okay with Jon being exiled. The Unsullied practically worship Dany as their liberator and hero, they should have killed Jon immediately instead of just throwing him in a dungeon.

It even could’ve been an interesting character bit for Grey Worm and some other dude representing the faceless masses of the Unsullied. Worm takes the shit personal and tries to go all vigilante and some other dude reminds him “hey dude, we’re soldiers, we follow orders, not make up our own ideas” and have both Worm and the other unsullied have to grapple with not having a leader.
 
Are they still ruling out of King's "Ground Zero" Landing?
 
And what about the Dothraki? When Khal Drogo died, they splintered off into smaller groups that immediately began raiding and pillaging the surrounding areas. We’ve been shown that only Dany kept their warmongering impulses in check, now that she’s gone they should be pillaging Westeros like everyone feared they would. There’s also the fact that Dany named all the Dothraki warriors her bloodriders, which means that they should want to avenge her death (which, again, means they would want to kill Jon).

Was listening to a podcast on the episode and they point out there are some Dothraki just hanging around the harbor when Arya sails off. Jon just walks by them, these guys don’t even notice.
 
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