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Big moth tiddies said:
That's not schizo. It probably is a ponzi scheme, just not the way you think it is.
There are two ways that companies turn into ponzi schemes. One is the way you describe, and the other is less intentional.

Here's an example: Mike is a mechanic and he fixes cars. He takes on three jobs, but one of the jobs goes over budget. Mike might decide "no big deal, I'll just cover that with the cost of the next job." So he takes that money out of the next one. Eventually Mike gets complacent and keeps taking new jobs to pay for older ones to the point he can no longer afford to buy new parts or pay the shop rent. All those new people who brought their cars in to subsidize the repair of older jobs suddenly find themselves SOL. Voila, ponzi scheme. This happens in a lot of fields, especially lawyers, and I'm betting it happened here because they weren't paying their big talents, they were letting everyone go broke. Ironmouse might as well be the face of the company, and overseas it's Kson who hasn't seen a dime since September.

Besides, I wouldn't trust this guy with someone else's money. When the court documents come out and show he's bought a bunch of sports cars and shit, we'll have our answer.
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There is something about his phenotype that is awfully... familiar...

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Schpoots said:
Curious to see what the purpose for the company money issues were. I thought vtubers were drowning in money. Did they over promise to acquire talent? Corrupt background shit going on?
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They relied on VC funds and the initial investment by the higher ups, their buisiness model had them only take cuts from items and events they produced as a company like merch. The individual revenue of a talent was not touched.
Most companies do the opposite, where Superchats, Members, Twitch Subs, etc are usually split 50/50 or 40/60 in favour of the company and merch or voicepacks are a bigger cut to talent.

But not only did they do it backwards, they had merch issues so bad that Talents could open up personal merch stories that fuliflled their orders quicker, and the cookie crumbled from there
 
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Serbian Peacekeepers said:
Schizophrenic take incoming: What if Vshojo was a ponzi scheme? Veibae's statement implies she was having issues with getting paid all the way back in 2023, and now we have other talents saying they hadn't been payed since late 2024. So, what if Vshojo has just been funneling money from their smaller talents to bigger talents, while using the money bigger talents made to pay investors back?
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Someone on another site called it a Ponzi scheme for morons. Bernie Madoff and Charles Ponzi are laughing in Hell.
 
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Tommy John Surgery said:
In this utopian society, the Phase girls can say nigger all they want. The Dizzler is behind bars after a public indecency charge led to police finding a fourteen year-old boy she kept locked up in her basement to come up with stream ideas for her just like the rapper Viper. Sakana has stepped down as CEO while still holding majority of the stocks to make way for the new CEO: Jerry 'Joshiumi' Jitler.
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That would be the best timeline. Imagine Jerry running a company. I mean, other than her parents' palm oil empire or whatever SEA-oligarch shit she will inherit.

ALL MY JIGGERS JAZIS. JIGGER JEIL JITLER.

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lacasitos said:
That would be the best timeline. Imagine Jerry running a company. I mean, other than her parents' palm oil empire or whatever SEA-oligarch shit she will inherit.

ALL MY JIGGERS JAZIS. JIGGER JEIL JITLER.

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We must secure the existence of our Oshis and a future for Women gossip
Major von der Westfront said:
There is something about his phenotype that is awfully... familiar...

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Oy Vey !
DEAD BIRD said:
is Hololive even still a thing
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Yes mostly JPs and SEAs though, the EN branch was decimated by graduations, only Advent and Justice are fully in tact while Myth and Promise are 3-person groups now, I wouldn’t be suprised if there were further graduations from the earlier gens too, Corpo Vtubing is going the way of the vhs in the 2000s for better or worse
 
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Thomas Talus said:
I've seen people disagree, her face in the wedding picture is small and distant, and the hijab obscures the shape of the face.

This is reason to doubt, not reason to believe.

Rrat, and being in a relationship is not the same as being married.

No shit, but that's not evidence to support your claim.

The closest you've got to supporting evidence is your own facial analysis, which is disputed and under poor circumstances. This is what I mean by "never got past the rrat stage."
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Without any PL, the only thing I can say is I've had confirmation by someone who was there that it was her
Major von der Westfront said:
The irony about the Vshojo mess is that this company would moralfag about being better than the contemporary Vtuber company like Hololive or Niggersanji because of the IPs still belonging to the talents. Which... lol.

Also, I recall a photo of one of their ads in Shinjuku station which is not cheap at all... and this corporation is primarily in the US. Most of its fanbase is American. The only Japanese fanbase they had was Henya (Pikamee) and Kson (Kiryu Coco) and they didnt advertise either of them for it. They advertised Ironmouse, an exclusively EN (and ES) speaker in the middle of Shinjuku which is not particularly renowned for English (not that there arent people who speak English there. Its just few and far inbetween).

From a business marketing standpoint, I would think that it would make more sense to advertise Ironmouse in somewhere like LA, or New York. Or fucking Chicago. Not in Japan where Hololive is the King there.

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Mismanagement and embezzlement are not mutually exclusive, if anything they complement each other
Serbian Peacekeepers said:
Schizophrenic take incoming: What if Vshojo was a ponzi scheme? Veibae's statement implies she was having issues with getting paid all the way back in 2023, and now we have other talents saying they hadn't been payed since late 2024. So, what if Vshojo has just been funneling money from their smaller talents to bigger talents, while using the money bigger talents made to pay investors back?
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A half million suddenly missing means it is most likely possible that they've been doing something like this for quite some time, so I would not be surprised there's an element of Ponzi scheme going on as well
 
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Can of Bread said:
This advertisement would have probably happened in early 2023 or late 2022. If you look towards the back, you can see they are advertising Nyanners of all people.
That means they did a Shinjuku advertisement when it's likely Kson was their only JP talent. And they might not have even advertised her (unless she's on the fourth pillar that you can't see because of Ironmouse's pillar).

They really thought it was a good idea to spend potentially tens of thousands of dollars to pitch Froot and Nyanners to a Japanese audience. And Nyanners probably left a few months after this, making some of that investment even more useless.
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I took a trip to Japan last year in October and I saw those advertisements all over Shibuya Station. I wish I got a picture of them, but they were still there when I visited.

Only pic I have of Shibuya Staion interior.
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DEBIRU MAN said:
I took a trip to Japan last year in October and I saw those advertisements all over Shibuya Station. I wish I got a picture of them, but they were still there when I visited.

Only pic I have of Shibuya Staion interior.
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So they still had those advertisements of Vshojo there? If thats true then I wonder how long they kept it up-
 
Schpoots said:
Curious to see what the purpose for the company money issues were. I thought vtubers were drowning in money. Did they over promise to acquire talent? Corrupt background shit going on?
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Most likely, they blew up super hard during the Covid bubble and they expanded their company to reflect that growth, and once the market stabilized and less and less people were watching/buying merch after Covid passed, they didn't properly downsize their company.
 
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