General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

[PassiveUnaggressive]

Nene (Amano) is playing American Truck Simulator

I couldn't watch, the driving was making me too nervous.... Too much not looking at the road. Well, she seemed to be having fun talking to chat at least. Speaking of getting distracted by chat, Amiya failed to notice the bit more exposed effect of the herald shield twice due to reading chat. Ami... Well, it was a fun stream.

 

[2DUM4U]

When exactly do the lyrics transition from 'cringe and edgy' to 'fun and genuine'? Can he prove it to me? No, you can never know because those are just feelings you get and everyone experiences them in differing ways. Just to be clear I also feel this way about her stuff, even as Mori, but I could never defend my position as a legit criticism because it means nothing to anyone but me, or people that have similar taste as me and just inherently trust my judgement, but even then it certainly wouldn't be useful criticism.

Spoiler: blah blah blah

The underlined text shows why there is some value in criticism based on feelings, provided those feelings are shared by at least some other people.

The difficulty comes from the fact that a person's emotional response to a work of art is very complex. A person's entire life history and belief system will affect how they feel about something, with different people having very different reactions to the same work. In order to criticize something artistic in a rigorous and rational way, you can do different things. You may apply some explicit standard, in which case you have to defend the standard as being applicable, and even then people can simply reject it because hey, subjective. Or you can simply state how it makes you feel, and if other peoples' perspectives (informed by their own experiences and beliefs) are close enough to yours, then your articulation and justification of their gut emotional responses will give them some satisfaction. Of course this would only apply to people whose perspectives are similar to your own, and since it's not explicitly moored to anything objective, you have the danger of conformism and groupthink.

The only other alternative I can think of is to fully and rigorously construct a unified philosophical framework, universally applicable to all people, with reference to which all artistic decisions can, in principle, be judged. This is the approach taken by Ayn Rand in The Romantic Manifesto. Once again people can simply reject your philosophy, but while a particular standard can be summarily rejected as "arbitrary", a philosophical system that has some basis in the premises people already accept cannot be rejected as easily. However, this method is not really feasible for most people.

 

[thirteenorphans]

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Lore is simply another tool to drive engagement. Given the option I'd rather have something than nothing and leave it up to the streamers to decide how much to lean into it. But yes council is an example of overdoing it even if the talents themselves fit well to their lore. Amusingly I feel like EN talents and fanbases are the main ones to play around or expand with lore stuff while the JP side feels a lot more light touch?

 

[Gondola Enjoyer]

https://www.albumoftheyear.org/user/toisoku/album/396992-alkatraz/

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lmao

I can almost get simping for menhera anime girls you'll never meet because them being menhera adds to the entertainment value.
I can't understand simping for a menhera melon-clone who ugly cries on stream because he's so depressed and the funny anime girl told him to stop being a fag and glorifying depression through a song from two years ago. But then again, maybe I just don't get it because I don't like Death Grips and don't post my ebin 3x3 filled with nothing but /mu/ core as a substitute for having a personality.

 

[Funman69]

im so sorry

 

[sashimi]

Man, I really wish someone could find that shitty Demondice diss track Brad made and removed.
At the very least, he still has a music persona on SoundCloud that's basically rap parody, a la C-Man, but the name is lost on me.
It's like "B Dizzle" or something, and unsurprisingly his fans eat that shit up.

 

[Sunflower Samurai]

To change the topic a bit i want to ask you this: How important is a Lore in a vtuber? or it is unnecesary to have one (or a heavy one).

To put my perspective, i think its unnecesary when people watch you for your entretainment value and not because how deep is your lore. Some people force a Lore in a character just to be taken more seriously or because others did it, specially big corpos like Hololive, but there is an issue: Myth for example didnt push too hard on a heavy lore like Council did, and we see the results now, Council didnt flew farther than Myth on popularity. In fact maybe the heavy Lore confused and scared people rather than keeping their attention and they forgot about it, even the Council girls were confused about their respective Lores in their 1st collab, it was way too much put on a plate that didnt needed to be filled.

I think lore/backstory can be pretty great if the talent itself is very into it, Pippa/Tenma pretty much got theirs tailor made for their friendship, in comparison Takamori got killed after they stopped having the kinship of being expats in Nippon

Marine and Luna on the JP side also get a fuckton of milage out of their character setup, although thats not really comparable to Council's lore, which imo was really overdone even if all of the talents themselves got plenty of in-jokes, content, and mileage outta their characters.

Indie vtubers overdo it funnily enough, its funny to see vtweeters have an absurd amount of autism about their character that only translates to dead air on stream

 

[Sevatonius]

One day soon Ina the alarm snooze mode enthusiast and Kiara the Teutonic alarm obeyer are going to share a bedroom and it's going to be a disaster I can't wait to see unfold.

 

[trailcamwhore]

To change the topic a bit i want to ask you this: How important is a Lore in a vtuber? or it is unnecesary to have one (or a heavy one).

Lore is bad when it's stupid or stupidly used, and it's good when...goodly used.

Roboco is a robot (approximately). When she leans on that, it helps her. The contrast between her sad voice and sad face and pretty clothes and robot is interesting.

Haachama is two girls. When she takes advantage of that and sends out a "dissonant" message/image, she makes her best stuff.

Etc.

Some version of their lore/premise would work for all the girls. Most of them just ignore it, and that's usually a mistake.

It's material. Use it.

 

[Renmai]

Good on chicken for encouraging Subaru to take breaks. Apparently Subaru has been streaming almost non-stop for 3+ years and broke down( edit: almost broke down) several times, the worst was when her second anniversary stream was delayed. She is taking Kiara's advice to ease up on her schedule.

 

[RiverBear]

Apparently Chihiro Yuki of Nijisanji is suing an anti over their Twitter posts

 

[SmugPeko]

Haachama is two girls. When she takes advantage of that and sends out a "dissonant" message/image, she makes her best stuff.

Haachama is not part of her lore if im not mistaken. She just created that back in 2020.

This is her bio

"Welcome to your rouge awakening! This is Akai Haato!"

A sassy kouhai. She is often prickly, but she'll try to get a lot of attention from those who have made friends with her. She loves red ribbons and heart shapes, and she'll wear them often in her hair and on her clothes.

 

[Zinnaha]

To change the topic a bit i want to ask you this: How important is a Lore in a vtuber? or it is unnecesary to have one (or a heavy one).

When lore is used well its enjoyable. When it's just to maintain kayfabe, its better to just drop it altogether (Most of HoloEN for example.) Someone exampled Haato's lore stuff that ramped over time, while it didn't fully exist to begin with, she ran away with it later on and turned it into something interesting and entertaining. If your lore revolves around "sent to earth/virtual (whatever) to learn about shit" you can easily play into that by slowly showing your true powerlevel or using it as an excuse to have chat interaction with teaching you more organically than soulsborne idiots trying to backseat you to hell and back type "interaction."

So it's good and bad depending on how you actually utilize it. For example Kiara's lore is worthless, Calli's lore can be useful and fun if she ever gets a kouhai with direct ties to her but her ability to RP is eh, gura's lore is worthless, Ame's lore can be (and kinda has been) used for some interesting stuff. Ina's lore is useless etc. On the NijiEN side, Vox's lore can be useful because it can describe the way he is and his ability to "swoon you" so easily, the Dragon sister's lore can be useful for 3D shit later on, Millie's lore being a cat witch of calamity makes sense even though she's lost her magic, she's still out to just have chaotic fun and so on.

 

[Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus]

I know these are more doom/proto metal, and not at all suited to their voices, but just for the meme I want Calli to do a cover of Uncle Acid and the Deadbeats and Ina to do a cover of Jess and the Ancient Ones

Uncle Acid in the autistic anime girl thread? Nice.

To change the topic a bit i want to ask you this: How important is a Lore in a vtuber? or it is unnecesary to have one (or a heavy one).

To put my perspective, i think its unnecesary when people watch you for your entretainment value and not because how deep is your lore. Some people force a Lore in a character just to be taken more seriously or because others did it, specially big corpos like Hololive, but there is an issue: Myth for example didnt push too hard on a heavy lore like Council did, and we see the results now, Council didnt flew farther than Myth on popularity. In fact maybe the heavy Lore confused and scared people rather than keeping their attention and they forgot about it, even the Council girls were confused about their respective Lores in their 1st collab, it was way too much put on a plate that didnt needed to be filled.

Mostly worthless from the EN side to the point I'd be hard pressed to tell you what any of their lore is besides their basic character theme. I think a lot of it probably comes down to how painfully retarded some of the corpo writing is. If you get someone with personality and let them do their own thing, like Haachama, you get something entertaining but if you don't and try to force it you get a soulless abomination, like that Nijisanji skit with Selen and Petra posted a while back.

 

[2DUM4U]

If you're not eating and want a good time, read the comments on this video. It's full of people sharing horror stories about how much more disgusting women's restrooms are than men's. I count myself lucky that I have to take their word for it.

(None of this applies to Gura. Her bathroom is clean enough to eat out of.)

 

[Zinnaha]

If you're not eating and want a good time, read the comments on this video. It's full of people sharing horror stories about how much more disgusting women's restrooms are than men's. I count myself lucky that I have to take their word for it.

(None of this applies to Gura. Her bathroom is clean enough to eat out of.)

I remember Selen's story and why she's unlikely to want to do offline collabs cuz she can't trust women to be clean lmao. Hell when I worked as a janitor after school it amazed me how disgusting women actually are compared to the occasional dude not knowing how to aim.

 

[masterstocking]

Haachama is not part of her lore if im not mistaken. She just created that back in 2020.

It's not part of her official lore, but she made it happen anyways out of sheer creative boredom. She went on this video series rampage, creating more and more impressively fucked up imagery of battling her 'sister' persona for control over 'their' body. YouTube didn't appreciate her final decapitation video, and she got in trouble for that.

It's important to remember that Amelia Watson pulled the time travel thing out of her ass on the spot during her debut. Now it's part of her lore, but it wasn't initially supposed to be.

 

[Rratcatcher]

Lore is only as useful as how well the talent can play into it. The lore the talent and community lean in to is 100x more interesting than any corpo shit. I wish corpo was more interested in incorporating what the girls come up with rather than continue their own lore. The fact that Haachama's lore she came up with is usually ignored officially is a crime considering how much more interesting it is than "kohai gyaru".

 

[Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus]

Women's restrooms are what hell looks like. They'll shit on the floor and the toilet because they hover, will stick their used pads to the stalls and walls, and pretty much everything in between. 3DPD indeed, men mostly just piss on the floor.

Speaking of women, Millie/Enna/Petra/Reimu are playing Apex across at least three control schemes so that should be a sufficiently entertaining disaster.

Spoiler: Viewpoints

 

[SmugPeko]

The fact that Haachama's lore she came up with is ignored and was straight up shut down by Cover is a crime.

The fuck are you talking about?