General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

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I kinda feel that if it were an actual intimate relationship they'd be a bit more circumspect about it. There's an obvious character dynamic of immortal phoenix v. grim reaper being played off of, and given that they likely hadn't met until the audition process was complete sometime in the summer then unless they immediately fell for each other I don't see much of a window to reactively bake the relationship into the character designs (which I think would be a bad idea from a business perspective, as a change in the personal relationship would have a major impact on their performances).
Kiara stated that she knew Calli long before the auditions started (and not as a part of her character, she seems pretty cavalier and only plays her character when it suits the situation) and was surprised to meet up with her when she stopped at Cover's offices, presumably to pick up her equipment and get briefed on the debut process. It stands to reason that Keekihime knew (or knew of) Dice before they became hololive idols and came up with this character dynamic during the preparation process for their debuts, much like other pairings such as Korone and Okayu or Pekora and Miko.

Na man, I like Hololive way more but this seems completely backwards. Hololive is more of a corporate idol factory and a legit full time job compared to Nijisanji, their vtubers don't have to stream regularly and are overall more relaxed. Niji seems to be quantity over quality, it's evident in their technology. Hololive's character designs/artwork and tracking technology is far higher quality.

Nijisanji has so many people cus for a lot of them being a vtuber seems to be a side gig. Gundo Mirei is a teacher at an all boy's school and has talked about one of her students recognizing her voice, Setsuna is a programmer, Moira is a truck driver, Maimoto Keisuke is a irl farmer, Yashiro Kizuku is a systems engineer, Dola has some sort of IT job and a bunch of them are very erratic and irregular streamers cus they are probably students or have regular jobs. That is why Hachama is so nuts, she is a student in Australia and still streams so much.. probably partially why she went nuts. Yeah I know a lot of Hololive girls still maintain their original channels like Coco, I'm sure Inna is still doing professional artwork for cell phone games, and Mori is prob still making rap music.. but Nijisanjii has an irl cake makers, maid cafe worker and a various IT workers as their vtuber talent.

Hololive has restrictions on their each new gen from streaming outside their gen for the first month iirc, Nijisanji doesn't have this. Hololive pretends their male Holostars group doesn't exist, Nijisanji lets their guys freely stream and colab with the women and have a bunch of both straight and gay ships to bait fans with. That is why Nijisanji is way larger in Japan and has way more female viewers and their male vtubers are much more successful, they're not just going after the guy idol fans who are more.. emotionally unstable but will simp $ hard. It's also probably why Hololive has way more scandals, their audience cares about their girl's purity or whatever and you need to appease them. I remember when Towa got into trouble and had to take a break cus she forgot to mute her mic and *gasp* the simps heard a guy's voice in the background omg!
The reason I say hololive seems more like a big screwed up family is because the comraderie between all the talent is on full display and they seem to interact much less like coworkers (which is how nijisanji vtubers tend to act) and more like friends and family to one another. Nijisanji has very distinct groups or cliques to them so people might get along within their own group but might not interact with many outside of that. Bear in mind nijisanji had issues in the past regarding a member's graduation over a fucking accent. That shit would not fly in hololive with any of the talent, at all.

Many of the hololive girls also do this as a side thing and not full-time. Calli is (presumably) an English tutor and Korone has another job doing...something. Many of the talent have part time jobs doing something else (particularly among holostars it's common since Roberu is notable for being a full-time streamer in that group) and the requirements of hololive talent retainment are that, barring situations such as illness or special projects, you only have to produce 3 hours of content a week.

As for the others you mentioned: Coco has drastically cut down on the amount of content she produces as Kson, and Ina as Nagu/wooperfuri has basically done nothing of note recently because of hololive; even then she worked off commissions so she was never a full-time artist by any of these companies. Karen has stopped all activity as Dice and basically adapted Calliope Mori as her new artist name to produce music under.

The reason for the outside-generation streaming restriction is to let the new talent figure out their niche and establish their own audience as well as develop relationships within their generation, and it has worked spectacularly. Even when they collaborate outside their own generation, since they started enforcing this shit with gen3 onward you can tell each group of performers has a very close relationship with one another. Even outside their generation you get performers who end up being close due to previous friendships (Pekora/Miko) or shared bullshit (Haachama/Coco.) Basically they want the performers to find themselves and see on their own who they could work with easily.

The holostars situation is...weird. The original restriction and lack of promotion was from when hololive was going hard into the idol thing, and they didn't even give the holostars a proper branch manager. They kind of just set them out into the world and let them do whatever, but now they actually give a shit about them. As evidenced by multiple talents and by talents across other companies, Cover really doesn't care what the Stars do and will happily promote their stuff now. As far as the idol purity thing goes, before that restriction was in place but has since been lifted, and only a few girls work with the Stars mostly because they're the only ones who can make time for it. A lot of the girls' schedules are very strict so making time for the Stars seems almost like an afterthought and only a few talent from the main branch do it, although others will watch them. Fubuki and Matsuri have both been on Roberu's stream and Choco has been spotted in his audience a few times, so such restrictions no longer exist. I think even Astel has responded to Watson and expressed interest in working with her over something, but that might not happen simply because of Astel's poor grasp of English and Watson's poor grasp of Japanese. Kiara has also expressed interest in having the Stars as part of her talk show but only after going through all the girls, and her stated reason boils down to just liking girls more than guys.

What rock are you living under that makes you believe hololive has more scandals? Nijisanji was once referred to by Mito (you know...their flagship talent) as having conditions more akin to working for a black company to the point where their office workers would be sleeping on the floor. Nijisanji has a lot more shit go down but not a lot of it reaches western shores. Hololive's stuff is typical idol nonsense while Nijisanji involves questionable working conditions and a lot more organizational fuckups. Towa's scandal of having her guy friend be heard over her discord is nothing compared to some of the shit Ichikara has gone through.
 
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Kiara stated that she knew Calli long before the auditions started (and not as a part of her character, she seems pretty cavalier and only plays her character when it suits the situation) and was surprised to meet up with her when she stopped at Cover's offices, presumably to pick up her equipment and get briefed on the debut process. It stands to reason that Keekihime knew (or knew of) Dice before they became hololive idols and came up with this character dynamic during the preparation process for their debuts, much like other pairings such as Korone and Okayu or Pekora and Miko.

Not sure about Kiara and Cali, but Kiara and Pekora definitely know each other given their previous jobs.
Also, whats with Artemis and her (his?) 中の人? I have just seen clips and it feels like a weird mix between Gura and Artia.

The lack of Ina in this thread is disturbing, but I guess a shut-in artist with a mild and comfy personality is bound to be outshined when surrounded by loud monkeys so many bombastic personalities.

 
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The lack of Ina in this thread is disturbing, but I guess a shut-in artist with a mild and comfy personality is bound to be outshined when surrounded by so many loud monkeys.
Ina is number 3 for me of the EN talent because of her more laid-back demeanor. Calli is the top with Kiara a pretty close second, but she doesn't really do as much wild stuff as the others. She's just "good at drawing and nice to listen to" which makes her content very refreshing compared to the chaos of the rest of the branch.
 
Ina is number 3 for me of the EN talent because of her more laid-back demeanor. Calli is the top with Kiara a pretty close second, but she doesn't really do as much wild stuff as the others. She's just "good at drawing and nice to listen to" which makes her content very refreshing compared to the chaos of the rest of the branch.

Kiara lost me after her on-stream meltdowns, specially the one where she cries after being asked a very simple question.


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Not sure about Kiara and Cali, but Kiara and Pekora definitely know each other given their previous jobs.
Also, whats with Artemis and her (his?) 中の人? I have just seen clips and it feels like a weird mix between Gura and Artia.

The lack of Ina in this thread is disturbing, but I guess a shut-in artist with a mild and comfy personality is bound to be outshined when surrounded by so many loud monkeys so many bombastic personalities.

A popular little “fan-canon” idea I’ve seen is Kiara is the one that sent Pekora a marshmallow and asked about advice on being a professional Vtuber. I dunno how well they knew each other though since Pekora showing up in Kirara’s debut stream literally made the chicken lose her voice for a bit.
 
Civia incited the mob on v8 against Coco and Haachama with her alt account. She was just smarter about it by not trying to gain western sympathy at the same time. Doris and Rosalyn were also pretty direct in trying to get them fired with the wolf warrior stuff. Their support on reddit has been eroding in the last couple weeks as more info is revealed and the truth becomes harder to deny. The whole character transfer thing was probably never going to happen. Hololive never announced anything, the holoCN performers said it preemptively hoping they could get leverage. It's unlikely it will ever happen because the technology they use is proprietary and the last thing they need is for the rogue HoloCN branch to take it. Right now people are just trying to avoid conflict until they're out of the company for good.

Don't feel bad for any of them.
Can I get a link or translation of this v8 thing? Is that the bug’s equivalent of the chans?
What rock are you living under that makes you believe hololive has more scandals? Nijisanji was once referred to by Mito (you know...their flagship talent) as having conditions more akin to working for a black company to the point where their office workers would be sleeping on the floor. Nijisanji has a lot more shit go down but not a lot of it reaches western shores. Hololive's stuff is typical idol nonsense while Nijisanji involves questionable working conditions and a lot more organizational fuckups. Towa's scandal of having her guy friend be heard over her discord is nothing compared to some of the shit Ichikara has gone through.
To be fair Nijisanji may be a major player in Jap markets, but they’re virtually unknown outside of japan. Hell, even Domo’s ratking has more of a presence overseas, and that can be attributed him being in the infamous FBK “No waifu, friend! Friend!” clip and Twitter shittery.
 
To be fair Nijisanji may be a major player in Jap markets, but they’re virtually unknown outside of japan. Hell, even Domo’s ratking has more of a presence overseas, and that can be attributed him being in the infamous FBK “No waifu, friend! Friend!” clip and Twitter shittery.
No fucking way, the one who helped jumpstart that meme, that was him??

Seriously though, i don't get why people go out of their way to propose to Vtubers and thirst over them directly in their replies, even if it's """ironic""". I can understand being horny for the vtuber character to an extent, but to be horny in the replies or in a superchat, that's creepy and attention-seeking. But since it's Domo, i guess nobody's suprised. I've always felt like something is off with him.
 
No fucking way, the one who helped jumpstart that meme, that was him??
Yeah he donated like 500 USD on multiple occasions to FBK, was in a meme vid that exploded by the now defunct Hololive Moments channel. Can’t find a mirror anywhere, unfortunately.
Is hololive aiming for a collab with Arknights?

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That was the first thing it came to my mind when i saw the new costume of tetris goddess

Also Kiara is playing Sakuna and she really need a crash course on platformers
Maybe that was in the works, but who knows Manjuu and Hypergryph’s position on this whole mess beyond the gun held to their head. All I know is that FBK had a history of doing gacha pulls streams, which she hasn’t done since the bugman incident. Particularly sad for me because there was hope for a second Hololive Azur Lane collaberation, which is all but dust now.

Fuck it, she’s getting my Oath Ring for this. Least I can do for Friend.
 
I had not heard Chigusa from Nijisanji sing before, but now that I have, and I know that she and Suisei are friends, I really really REALLLY want them to do a collab karaoke stream. Bring in Toko as well. She and Suisei doing a duet of Yorushika and then Sui and Chigusa doing some Egoist or Supercell. God damn!

also, there are a ton of singing streams today - Towa, Ayame, Luna, Chigusa, Coco, Pekora. Nuts.
 
Particularly sad for me because there was hope for a second Hololive Azur Lane collaberation, which is all but dust now.
I think there is hope considering Marine is the mother of whales of that game and she do streams rolling on them, she is so hilariously whale that she has skins for ships SHE DOESNT EVEN HAVE

Edit: Haato is doing terrorism again on twitter Hololive EN generation 0 lmao
 
Kiara lost me after her on-stream meltdowns, specially the one where she cries after being asked a very simple question.

To be fair the way that guy worded that question was kinda rude in an autistic way.

I sympathise a lot with Kiara. I think I'm pretty similar to her when it comes to emotional outbursts. In the end no one of us knows how stressful it is to be a V-Tuber.
And maybe in addition to that as part of a pretty big company. There were pretty big expectations on them from the beginning. And I remember Kiara being a bit afraid because she believed herself to have no special talents like the other girls. But she for me she's the glue holding everyone together and bridging the gap to the JP side of things.

Can she be annoying? No question about it. But she's trying and I think that is what counts.

And as a shameless thirsty lesbian myself, I want CalliexKiara to be real. Please!
 
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