General GunTuber thread

[Trig.Point]

God damn, ATF just deregulate stocked pistols already, Jesus.

i want a fuckin Red 9 carbine like Leon from RE4

No joke though a stocked pistol carbine makes a great flexible home defense option but nooooo apparently it’s too fuckin dangerous or some shit. I wonder how many AR-15’s have been sold as a result of not having competition from stocked pistols. How’s that for ironic you ATF fucks?

I have a question, there are stocks that you can just slide a pistol into (that hasn't been modified) how are they regulated?

 

[HumptiDouji]

at that point just use a shotgun with slugs. aint going to be much bigger and isnt in a meme caliber

Probably, though one wonders what kind of velocities and footpounds you'd get from .50AE from a barrel that long. It would also be a lot more accurate than any smoothbore shotgun (granted, rifled slug guns aren't a rare thing).

i want a fuckin Red 9 carbine like Leon from RE4

Good news, any Mauser C96 pistol from 1940 or earlier is exempt from SBR status when fitted with an original stock or suitable replica. I think maybe some of the Spanish clones may also be, but don't quote me on that.

Genuine Red 9 pistols are pretty sought after, so they can be pricey, but since there's quite a lot of these pistols, many which were used hard (some were used in the Chinese civil war period and then showed up as beat up surplus in the west), some have been rebuilt and refinished, including being rechambered for 9mm Luger.
So, you could get yourself a refurbed and converted beater Broomhandle, and you'd have something that wouldn't be the most expensive, nor would you have to worry about wearing on a nice and matching collectible. I believe also that reproduction Red 9 grips may exist as well.

Someone probably lobbied for that to sell more product.

The 1934 National Firearm's Act was intended to also cover handguns, thus SBRs and SBSs were meant to cover loopholes. The NRA lobbies to get pistols removed from the bill, but the carbines and shotguns kind of just get left there, and haven't gone anywhere since.

 

[Shaka Brah]

I have a question, there are stocks that you can just slide a pistol into (that hasn't been modified) how are they regulated?

However the ATF wants to fuck you at any given moment.

 

[HelpingNoone]

God damn, ATF just deregulate stocked pistols already, Jesus.

i want a fuckin Red 9 carbine like Leon from RE4

No joke though a stocked pistol carbine makes a great flexible home defense option but nooooo apparently it’s too fuckin dangerous or some shit. I wonder how many AR-15’s have been sold as a result of not having competition from stocked pistols. How’s that for ironic you ATF fucks?

Yeah I'd love to throw a stock on my P08, but you're pretty much fucked unless it's an artillery model with a "as issued configuration".

I was tempted by B&T's USW grip module for the P320/M17. The idea of SBRing my pistol is so dumb though.

I have a question, there are stocks that you can just slide a pistol into (that hasn't been modified) how are they regulated?

If you mean like the Roni for glocks or the Flux. They are using the brace loophole.

 

[Only A Retard Sometimes]

Yeah I'd love to throw a stock on my P08, but you're pretty much fucked unless it's an artillery model with a "as issued configuration".

I was tempted by B&T's USW grip module for the P320/M17. The idea of SBRing my pistol is so dumb though.

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If you mean like the Roni for glocks or the Flux. They are using the brace loophole.
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putting a stock on a actual pistol is kinda gay. its always clunky. the only ones that work are the OG Scorpion, MP7 and MP9 and only because they are made to be stocked. MP5, MPX, Vityaz/bizon style guns are just better.

 

[Decoy St. Chum]

including being rechambered for 9mm Luger.

Huh? How can you rechamber a gun for the round it's already chambered in? Why do you think it's called "Red 9"?

 

[HumptiDouji]

putting a stock on a actual pistol is kinda gay. its always clunky. the only ones that work are the OG Scorpion, MP7 and MP9 and only because they are made to be stocked. MP5, MPX, Vityaz/bizon style guns are just better.

C96 is kinda shitty as a pistol, but with the stock it's easy to use as a pretty good light carbine (for its era), it even has a good forward point of contact with the magazine well, and then stores well inside of its stock.
If there was no SBR laws, holster style stocks would probably be reasonably popular, just because of how compact they store.
I can imagine a lot of scenarios where someone wouldn't have the space to store, or didn't want to carry a larger carbine like an MP5, but then could have something like a Glock 17 with a holster stock, which could be stored in a backpack (like a bugout bag), and then worn as holster for most of the time.

Huh? How can you rechamber a gun for the round it's already chambered in? Why do you think it's called "Red 9"?

The C96 was originally chambered for 7.63x25mm Mauser (compare to the later 7.62x25mm Tokarev cartridge), and then the Red 9 variant was later a contract run for WW1 when the German Army needed more pistols, and they specified that they wanted them in 9x19mm Luger.

It's much easier to find a C96 chambered for the original 7.63mm Mauser, than it is to find an actual Red 9 C96 pistol in 9mm Luger. There's a lot of refurbs and mixed parts rebuilds which will be more affordable, and since they're less nice and pristine, you wouldn't have to worry about wearing away on them and ruining their value with regular shooting.

 

[HelpingNoone]

Too many smooth brains loading the wrong ammo so they made sure you couldn't get it wrong.

 

[Decoy St. Chum]

C96 is kinda shitty as a pistol, but with the stock it's easy to use as a pretty good light carbine (for its era), it even has a good forward point of contact with the magazine well, and then stores well inside of its stock.
If there was no SBR laws, holster style stocks would probably be reasonably popular, just because of how compact they store.
I can imagine a lot of scenarios where someone wouldn't have the space to store, or didn't want to carry a larger carbine like an MP5, but then could have something like a Glock 17 with a holster stock, which could be stored in a backpack (like a bugout bag), and then worn as holster for most of the time.


The C96 was originally chambered for 7.63x25mm Mauser (compare to the later 7.62x25mm Tokarev cartridge), and then the Red 9 variant was later a contract run for WW1 when the German Army needed more pistols, and they specified that they wanted them in 9x19mm Luger.

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It's much easier to find a C96 chambered for the original 7.63mm Mauser, than it is to find an actual Red 9 C96 pistol in 9mm Luger. There's a lot of refurbs and mixed parts rebuilds which will be more affordable, and since they're less nice and pristine, you wouldn't have to worry about wearing away on them and ruining their value with regular shooting.

That's not what you said at all.

Genuine Red 9 pistols are pretty sought after, so they can be pricey, but since there's quite a lot of these pistols, many which were used hard (some were used in the Chinese civil war period and then showed up as beat up surplus in the west), some have been rebuilt and refinished, including being rechambered for 9mm Luger.

>Genuine Red 9 pistols
>rechambered for 9mm Luger

 

[Club Sandwich]

i thought most of the chinese C96's were in 7.63x25mm and the ones domestically made in china were largely the same, with some being sleeved/rechambered for 9x19mm with "optimistic" success during ww2. wasn't it during the early 20th century that china was still under an arms embargo and really could only get pistols and some other limited arms?

 

[ellroy]

They made their own bullpup battle rifle, integrally supressed sniper rifle and a fucking Mateba in 12.7x55.
God, somebody invade Tula and get the blueprints for these bitches, I'm tired of FSB flexing on everyone with their toys while the ruskie population is starving.

Russian manufacturing doesn’t know the meaning of “precision” and “tight tolerances” which is why it’s effected their precision rifles and why they illegally purchase Accuracy International Rifles for their special forces.

I like their AKs and Carbines but I would never use their large caliber weapons.

 

[Cold Root Beer]

I've been catching up on some Paul Harrell, and this bit jumped out at me:

Paul Harrell: Make a quick acknowledgement of the situation and a light-hearted joke about how any AR braced pistols he might own now have a case of "stage fright" and that's why they won't appear on screen.

Meanwhile

Karl: Go on multiple sperg rants attacking your fanbase, advocate for the ATF, and publicly support two events where government ineptitude directly lead to children dying when it could have been easily avoided in both cases.

Notice how Harrell manages to address the situation in a way that wouldn't even alienate anyone on either side of the issue, meanwhile Karl goes out of his way to alienate the people who make up the vast majority of his fanbase. No matter what his political thoughts are, that's really fucking dumb from a business and entertainer perspective. Because no matter how much he LARPs as some sort of political activist, he's not. He's a weird man who made himself known by dressing up like a Nazi and LARPing in the desert with his much more successful friend.

Does Karl have a real job? I hope he's better at that then he is at being an entertainer.

 

[Only A Retard Sometimes]

Does Karl have a real job? I hope he's better at that then he is at being an entertainer.

he is some sort of IT guy

 

[Tour of Italy]

I've been catching up on some Paul Harrell, and this bit jumped out at me:

Paul Harrell: Make a quick acknowledgement of the situation and a light-hearted joke about how any AR braced pistols he might own now have a case of "stage fright" and that's why they won't appear on screen.

Meanwhile

Karl: Go on multiple sperg rants attacking your fanbase, advocate for the ATF, and publicly support two events where government ineptitude directly lead to children dying when it could have been easily avoided in both cases.

Notice how Harrell manages to address the situation in a way that wouldn't even alienate anyone on either side of the issue, meanwhile Karl goes out of his way to alienate the people who make up the vast majority of his fanbase. No matter what his political thoughts are, that's really fucking dumb from a business and entertainer perspective. Because no matter how much he LARPs as some sort of political activist, he's not. He's a weird man who made himself known by dressing up like a Nazi and LARPing in the desert with his much more successful friend.

Does Karl have a real job? I hope he's better at that then he is at being an entertainer.

You’re making the mistake of assuming that Karl wants to make money and entertain.

Karl primarily wants to jerk himself off while people watch. His approach achieves this quite effectively.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Paul Harrell: Make a quick acknowledgement of the situation and a light-hearted joke about how any AR braced pistols he might own now have a case of "stage fright" and that's why they won't appear on screen.

And that's why Paul is the best there is.

Does Karl have a real job? I hope he's better at that then he is at being an entertainer.

He claims a background in "Infosec", whatever that means. My guess is that he was some script kiddie firewall jockey but really "Infosec" doesn't mean much of anything. He used to be, and I believe still is, a regular attendee of DEFCON and similar events.

 

[White Devil]

Karl is probably Help Desk.

 

[ellroy]

I think Karl is just a IT security or information assurance specialist. There is a lot of data centers now in Phoenix and he probably works at one. He isn’t a coder, he is just a guy that relies on scripts and commercial software.

Probably explains his statist hard on, he is always depending on a higher power to make something so he can be successful at his job.

 

[TerminalTryHard]

If I remember correctly during a P&S podcast Karl was on he complained about tech certifications, and how in the old days people used to learn and build experience on their own but now it's all kids with pieces of paper. Of course if Karl it so experienced and knowledgeable the certification tests should be no problem for him but whatever.

Brandon Herrera weighed in on the ATF pistol proposal and actually did a decent job explaining it and why it's bad. So how bad is it when a frat bro who spends all his time drinking shitty hard seltzer and shooting water melons is making more informative videos than someone whose takes themselves so seriously like say Karl?

 

[Decoy St. Chum]

Russian manufacturing doesn’t know the meaning of “precision” and “tight tolerances” which is why it’s effected their precision rifles and why they illegally purchase Accuracy International Rifles for their special forces.

I like their AKs and Carbines but I would never use their large caliber weapons.

Yeah, the Russian military isn't as powerful as it may seem. Their stuff is good for hunting small critters like protestors but not much more.

 

[ellroy]

Yeah, the Russian military isn't as powerful as it may seem. Their stuff is good for hunting small critters like protestors but not much more.

I don’t even think they are using their own stuff on protestors.