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Brandon Herrera weighed in on the ATF pistol proposal and actually did a decent job explaining it and why it's bad. So how bad is it when a frat bro who spends all his time drinking shitty hard seltzer and shooting water melons is making more informative videos than someone whose takes themselves so seriously like say Karl?
As clumsy as the guy is handling words, he isn't much of a traditional frat bro. I mean, he founded a company and is making his own rifle, and if I am not mistaken he went to uni, that has to take at least some brain mass. Shitty boomer meme reviews and cursed image videos included, he still often manages to explain about guns really well for people who aren't familiar to the subject, and delves into weapon manufacturing processes often.
 
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TL;DW: "I dunno lol" - Mark Serbu
I'm still baffled at the sheer amount of force that must have been building up in that thing.
The pressure rose so quickly that even though the bullet was going down the barrel (and apparently made it out the muzzle by the looks of it), it still blew the endcap off against the resistance of the threads and those ears, transmitting enough energy into that one piece of metal to pierce the Kentucky Ballistics dude in the torso with enough force to rival a .22lr.

I guess there is going to be another video about some results from testing the rifle (protip: "The rifle was up to our standards and it was literally made of adamantium and it is super safe to use with correct ammo") and testing the ammo ("The ammo was literally a nuclear device and all the blame rests with that ammo alone").

Frankly, the Kentucky Ballistics dude should have sent at least one round to some neutral lab to look at what the hell was in there as propellant.

I'm not an engineer, but would it be possible to put a pre-determined breaking point on top of the chamber of such a rifle, so that in case of overpressure, the explosion vents upwards? It would still be nasty but I would assume that it's easier to build a gun that can vent gas upwards and still protect the shooter than to get smacked in the face by a fist-sized endcap that sheered off the threads.
 
I'm still baffled at the sheer amount of force that must have been building up in that thing.
The pressure rose so quickly that even though the bullet was going down the barrel (and apparently made it out the muzzle by the looks of it), it still blew the endcap off against the resistance of the threads and those ears, transmitting enough energy into that one piece of metal to pierce the Kentucky Ballistics dude in the torso with enough force to rival a .22lr.

I guess there is going to be another video about some results from testing the rifle (protip: "The rifle was up to our standards and it was literally made of adamantium and it is super safe to use with correct ammo") and testing the ammo ("The ammo was literally a nuclear device and all the blame rests with that ammo alone").

Frankly, the Kentucky Ballistics dude should have sent at least one round to some neutral lab to look at what the hell was in there as propellant.

I'm not an engineer, but would it be possible to put a pre-determined breaking point on top of the chamber of such a rifle, so that in case of overpressure, the explosion vents upwards? It would still be nasty but I would assume that it's easier to build a gun that can vent gas upwards and still protect the shooter than to get smacked in the face by a fist-sized endcap that sheered off the threads.
It might be possible to add a vent, but against overpressure of that caliber (heh) you might risk it being a proper weak spot and turning the entire chamber into a grenade, sending half of the receiver back into the shooter instead of just the rear cap. I get the idea, but this feels like trying to proof a 12-gauge shotgun against someone shoving a stick of dynamite with a primer glued to it into the chamber. It's going so far outside operating parameters as to be unfeasible.

And I'm pretty sure this wouldn't have blown up (heh) nearly as much as it has if it hadn't happened to a .50 BMG gun. It's a powerful cartridge, absolutely, but it gets mythologized so hard it's not even funny. Even ARs, which are known for failing safely, can still injure you pretty severely (or kill you) in case of an overpressure round or barrel obstruction if you're unlucky enough.
 
It might be possible to add a vent, but against overpressure of that caliber (heh) you might risk it being a proper weak spot and turning the entire chamber into a grenade, sending half of the receiver back into the shooter instead of just the rear cap. I get the idea, but this feels like trying to proof a 12-gauge shotgun against someone shoving a stick of dynamite with a primer glued to it into the chamber. It's going so far outside operating parameters as to be unfeasible.
Clearly, the pressure involved was absolutely insane, I was just wondering if there was a way to essentially have a part of the chamber be constrcuted in a way that makes it blow out upwards instead of backwards. I guess it would be pretty cost intensive to make such a thing in a way that indeed doesn't just turn the whole thing into a pipe bomb and at the pressures we're talking about we've long since left the area whereyou even expect to be forced to deal with so much pressure. I mean, if this Serbu gun was indeed made to handle 40k-50k psi cartridges and the chamber withstands up to >160k psi, any kind of intended breaking point at those pressures would nonsensical. The strength of the chamber is supposed to withstand anything you throw in there anway.

You could spent a shitton of money to add some intended breaking point on top of that, but you've already went quadruple overkill on what the chamber can handle, you simply don't expect anything to reach that much pressure without severe fuckery. Which brings me back to the ammo. I really wonder what's in there and if someone just fucked with the propellant/it degraded to become more volatile.

And I'm pretty sure this wouldn't have blown up (heh) nearly as much as it has if it hadn't happened to a .50 BMG gun. It's a powerful cartridge, absolutely, but it gets mythologized so hard it's not even funny. Even ARs, which are known for failing safely, can still injure you pretty severely (or kill you) in case of an overpressure round or barrel obstruction if you're unlucky enough.
Kinda reminds me of a video of a guy having his AR blow up into a million pieces, he's literally left with a buttstock, trigger group and magazine well and the first thing he does is wipe his hand across his face to see if he's still got all his facial features attached. Thankfully, he was completely unharmed.
 
Frankly, the Kentucky Ballistics dude should have sent at least one round to some neutral lab to look at what the hell was in there as propellant.
Problem is it's not really clear where they're all from (recently, I mean).

Often these are bought, sold, and traded, as just loose cartridges, so they're often never sold in batches, and when you've got individual loose cartridges traveling around the country for decades and changing hands between who knows who numerous times, you have zero way of knowing how they were stored or handled.
If someone had gathered up a bunch of them at gunshows and sold them in a batch, it's entirely possible that some have been stored fine, but others have been stored really badly and have had their powder charge degraded, so if Scott was to send any one of them for analysis, it's possible that they'll show nothing wrong, hell, it's possible he already expended all the fucky examples and only have normal ones left.
 
Kinda reminds me of a video of a guy having his AR blow up into a million pieces, he's literally left with a buttstock, trigger group and magazine well and the first thing he does is wipe his hand across his face to see if he's still got all his facial features attached. Thankfully, he was completely unharmed.
One of the guys at my previous range had a nasty-looking scar on his arm from when his AK blew up on him. Cast trunnions are no joke.

hell, it's possible he already expended all the fucky examples and only have normal ones left.
With how he mentioned the rounds before the detonation also felt fucky, this is a very distinct possibility. That gun fired at least one overpressure round before going off.
 
I was just wondering if there was a way to essentially have a part of the chamber be constrcuted in a way that makes it blow out upwards instead of backwards.
The chamber handles the pressure just fine, what you'd want is a vent on the breech cap. The problem is that since it's screwed in, a vent drilled through the side would point in different directions depending on how it was indexed. Usually bolt guns with vents in the action have them drilled into the receiver ahead of the locking lugs, not the chamber itself.
As clumsy as the guy is handling words, he isn't much of a traditional frat bro. I mean, he founded a company and is making his own rifle, and if I am not mistaken he went to uni, that has to take at least some brain mass. Shitty boomer meme reviews and cursed image videos included, he still often manages to explain about guns really well for people who aren't familiar to the subject, and delves into weapon manufacturing processes often.
Going to university is what traditional frat bros do, though.
 
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Problem is it's not really clear where they're all from (recently, I mean).

Often these are bought, sold, and traded, as just loose cartridges, so they're often never sold in batches, and when you've got individual loose cartridges traveling around the country for decades and changing hands between who knows who numerous times, you have zero way of knowing how they were stored or handled.
If someone had gathered up a bunch of them at gunshows and sold them in a batch, it's entirely possible that some have been stored fine, but others have been stored really badly and have had their powder charge degraded, so if Scott was to send any one of them for analysis, it's possible that they'll show nothing wrong, hell, it's possible he already expended all the fucky examples and only have normal ones left.
I would have though that they are all from the same batch, since they look identical... but then again, that might not hold up to scrutiny and who knows, there are people who reuse spent brass, so there's a chance someone used the wrong propellant and (on top of that) accidentally double loaded the round that blew up the gun...
 
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I would have though that they are all from the same batch, since they look identical... but then again, that might not hold up to scrutiny and who knows, there are people who reuse spent brass, so there's a chance someone used the wrong propellant and (on top of that) accidentally double loaded the round that blew up the gun...
SLAP was never sold commercially, all rounds available to the general public are either stolen from military stores or handmade/custom assembled. The stolen ones are also usually 20+ years old and there is no guarantee of storage quality or safety.

Ultimately I think that White Devil is the most correct on this whole situation:
I think the overall moral of this whole Kentucky dumbass saga is don't buy fishy ammo off the internet then put it in a gun that wasn't designed for it.
People are getting too down in the weeds on why this happened, and it is important to know these things as well, but the ultimate morals of the story that people should take away from this are firstly, to not fire sketchy exotic loads through a rifle not designed for it, and secondly if you are a manufacturer and a customer says "Hey man I want you to make me a rifle so that I can fire really sketchy hand loads out of it" the proper answer to him should be "no".
 
The threads may be proofed up to 145ksi but repeated over pressure rounds will drop that quick.

For a gun like that the best thing to do would be to minimize the shrapnel coming towards the face. I’ve said it before, extending the ears back to the stock would really help. You can see in the video how the receiver bulged out from cap pressure before shearing off the ears. If they were continuous to the stock they would be much better at deflecting the cap along with not becoming projectiles themselves.
 
The threads may be proofed up to 145ksi but repeated over pressure rounds will drop that quick.

For a gun like that the best thing to do would be to minimize the shrapnel coming towards the face. I’ve said it before, extending the ears back to the stock would really help. You can see in the video how the receiver bulged out from cap pressure before shearing off the ears. If they were continuous to the stock they would be much better at deflecting the cap along with not becoming projectiles themselves.
Yup. This is really more of a sign that safety features and a little bit of effort in destructive testing should be put into rifles from the beginning. Making a clone of someone's homemade .50 BMG isn't a good excuse to skimp on the design features that could save someone's life. Especially the simple ones.

Plus, doing a barrel obstruction firing test to see the points of failure and ameliorate a few of them is the best choice for keeping people safe using your product.
 
If it's just a first look, then it isn't a verdict, is it?
It's the same conclusion with the same evidence shown previously with a supposed "first look" that we are led to assume is him running to get the camera with no prior investigation.
The rifle itself did not disassemble itself into the shooter's direction based around any one design flaw; unless it was, which we may never know due to the amount of damage done. KB fired quite a few before it popped so we will ultimately have the answer properly being "I dunno lol".
 
Yup. This is really more of a sign that safety features and a little bit of effort in destructive testing should be put into rifles from the beginning. Making a clone of someone's homemade .50 BMG isn't a good excuse to skimp on the design features that could save someone's life. Especially the simple ones.

Plus, doing a barrel obstruction firing test to see the points of failure and ameliorate a few of them is the best choice for keeping people safe using your product.
I don't remember where I read it, but I do remember Serbu doing destructive testing. The barrel should fail long before the rear cap does. Scott's gun had a longer "heavy" barrel mounted, though, and while I don't know whether that barrel was also thicker as well as longer, that might be where the issue could be traced to.

If that's indeed the case, then Serbu should stop selling the heavy barrel option for the gun and issue a recall and replacement with a different barrel on those as a safety concern.
 
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I don't remember where I read it, but I do remember Serbu doing destructive testing. The barrel should fail long before the rear cap does. Scott's gun had a longer "heavy" barrel mounted, though, and while I don't know whether that barrel was also thicker as well as longer, that might be where the issue could be traced to.

If that's indeed the case, then Serbu should stop selling the heavy barrel option for the gun and issue a recall and replacement with a different barrel on those as a safety concern.
Im not sure if the weaker barrel would have helped since the gun seems to have exploded before the projectile could reach the barrel in the first place.

I think what happened here is that the grain size of the gunpowder got smaller and smaller as the round got handled and bumped around over the years,
and basically turned from slow burning big grain rifle powder into instantly burning gunpowder "dust". That would explain the enormous pressure spike.
Think loading a big rifle round with fast burning pistol powder. Same amount of powder as before, but now you get an insane pressure spike because the whole charge goes off at once instead of "slowly" burning as the round travels down the barrel.
 
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