General GunTuber thread

[Club Sandwich]

Not saying M1 is bad; it's very very good, but it's a bit obsolete nowadays.

somewhat speculating, but:

1. "Navy Garands" or US Navy M1 Conversion Rifles were surplus M1 rifles converted to 7.62x51mm NATO. they were functionally unmodified other than a chamber insert and gas port enlargement. this was a poor conversion, but for signalling purposes and for ship-board security on the cheap, it worked well enough. the CMP and several other companies make a more proper conversion with a rebarrel and new gas piston assembly for purchase.

2. coupled with the above, an M1 is unlikely to be hit by major gun control efforts as it lacks most "scary features" that would run afoul of most states (or countries) legislative efforts. the lack of a detachable magazine is a bonus in this view, and stamped steel M1 en bloc clips are pretty cheap and easy to make and buy.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Hi Karl, bye Karl!

Probably not Karl; but rather one of his whiteknights, hoping we take his bait to prove Kiwifarms is targeting that lazy snitchbitch.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Why not get an M14/FAL/G3 then? Full power 7.62 is enough and 20rd mags are massive, quick to change and don't fly off on empty so you can easily put them back in your pocket and reuse. Not saying M1 is bad; it's very very good, but it's a bit obsolete nowadays.

M14: Everything bad about the Garand made worse and for more money than an actual Garand. Plus they're built by Springfield so you know QC just ain't there.
FAL: Can be hard to find, will probably end up having to build one or have one built, magazines are a nightmare to procure, rifle itself isn't actually all that accurate and beats the hell out of most optics.
G3: The best of the bunch but good luck finding a non CAI rifle for a reasonable price unless you're building an HK parts kit, which are still out there but then you have to build your own rifle.

If you're dead set on 308 get an AR10, they're gonna run you about the same price with far larger parts availability and they'll be more accurate. The only reason not to is because "lol ban state".

 

[Tour of Italy]

M14: Everything bad about the Garand made worse and for more money than an actual Garand. Plus they're built by Springfield so you know QC just ain't there.
FAL: Can be hard to find, will probably end up having to build one or have one built, magazines are a nightmare to procure, rifle itself isn't actually all that accurate and beats the hell out of most optics.
G3: The best of the bunch but good luck finding a non CAI rifle for a reasonable price unless you're building an HK parts kit, which are still out there but then you have to build your own rifle.

If you're dead set on 308 get an AR10, they're gonna run you about the same price with far larger parts availability and they'll be more accurate. The only reason not to is because "lol ban state".

Just in case @Club Sandwich doesn't catch this, I'll quote a post of his that gives a few more option for each of those patterns:

Arizona Response Systems is the best guy to build a FAL in the US, better than what i make and have used anyway. DSA sells decent pre-made rifles, especially their StG 58 line. however, this will be very near the top of your budget. used rifles are floating around but not much cheaper. be wary of mix master home builds because locking shoulder and barrel torque need to be precise or you will have a dangerous situation with pressure.

PTR makes most of the parts for the Century CETME and C93 after the surplus from Malaysia, FMP, Spain, and Portugal dried up for mass manufacturing. Century contracts with several shops to manufacture them (I started out making Galil's for Century back when i first started gunsmithing). the in-house Century assembled ones can be suspicious.

M1A/M14 are towards the top of your budget, very few semi-auto .308's are under $1500 significantly enough to be a "good deal" that isn't a used rifle or surplus. the various G3 pattern rifles would be the best bet, and if you don't like the ergonomics you can customize them significantly with aftermarket parts.


.308 "Navy" M1 Garand rifles are available relatively inexpensively and are kind of interesting.

edit: also should mention that CDNN bought out a lot of Remington Defense and Remington Firearms parts, as well as a windfall from DPMS and Mossberg and Remington's parts manufacturing depts (which are OEM for AR-15 / AR-10 small parts and even things like AR barrels and stuff). so it's possible to get the essentials of a DPMS-compatible AR-10 .308 build going for less cost by parting it together from CDNN and other sources like Brownell's. if you're going to do this, stick with "DPMS LR-308" compatible parts since they are the most popular and most "AR-15" like. CDNN has been clearancing out there AR stuff for a while now.

Also a recommendation for M14 patterns:

This is my personal take on it, but I would not buy Springfield if you want an M14 style rifle. I had a Springfield M1A Loaded with a stainless barrel for a few years and had nothing but reliability problems with it. Failures to feed and failures to extract, even after taking advantage of Springfield Armory's lifetime guarantee and sending the rifle back to them three different times to be fixed. Even after all that, I could never get through even a single 20rnd mag without having some kind of stoppage or malfunction. I ended up selling it and buying a different rifle with the money. For years my desire for an M14 style rifle went unfulfilled until one of my best friends filled me in on a little company called LRB. They are the only company making M14 to USGI specs (aside from having select fire). Springfield and Fulton use investment casting for their receivers, bolts, and operating rods because it's quicker and cheaper than using forged parts, but those cast parts need to be machined thicker to have enough strength to safely handle the pressures seen with firearms. Springfield is also known for using metal injection molding for many of their small parts for similar reasons. LRB on the other hand is more concerned with making high quality rifles built to the proper specs. So when I decided to build a Mk14 Mod 0 style rifle I ordered an 18.5" barreled action and a genuine USGI M14 trigger group made with Harrington and Richardson parts from LRB. Dealing with LRB was an absolute pleasure. The service and customer care I had with them was the best I've ever seen, not just with a firearms manufacturer, but with any company I've dealt with. So I'm going to make the same suggestion to you that I make to anyone I see who is interested in owning an M14 style rifle: go with LRB. They can build a rifle in any configuration that you want. They aren't cheap, but they'll build you a rifle that you can trust your life to and will last several lifetimes as a family heirloom.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

The newest InRange should've been fine, but yet again Karl's cuckedness shows; using the term "renegades" (4:30), and then immediately prostrating himself for his valued viewers.

Hell, he couldn't keep his spergery in check long enough to let the other guy finish, or even start, his sentences. It even looked like the old guy started shaking; probably because he wanted to sperg too, but kept getting interrupted.

I understand it's Karl's show, but I'd get pretty frustrated too if someone invited me to speak as a subject-matter expert, and then have 2/3 of what I wanted to say get preempted because the host doesn't shut up.

It's another example of why he should be paying attention to how more successful channels conduct video interviews, rather than just watching himself.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Century contracts with several shops to manufacture them (I started out making Galil's for Century back when i first started gunsmithing). the in-house Century assembled ones can be suspicious.

What about an M1 Garand, from CAI? Know much about those?

I've only seen one; guts were unissued GI surplus, with a new receiver, barrel, gas tube, and stock.

I really wonder who put it together, and how many CAI made. It definitely didn't look anything like other CAI offerings I've ever seen (as well as shooting far beyond better).

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

10 seconds into his opening monologue after the prerecorded intro and he's already choked on a word. Does InRange operate on the "one take" rule or what? Just do a second take for god's sake.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

I got an idea for a way to troll Karl. What we should do is contact all the people with broken WWSD and send them to Karl all on November 21st, which is National Cuck Day. Thoughts?

Lurk more faggot.

 

[Club Sandwich]

What about an M1 Garand, from CAI? Know much about those?

depends on when it was made. the first batch from the late 90's were imported from China (Canadian Lend-Lease iirc to fight the Soviets and Japan) and Morocco. the second batch from the late 2000's Century contracted Lithgow in Australia to produce the receivers on old lend-lease tooling they had and imported parts kits from Italy, Denmark, Holland, and other countries to finish them. another batch was made in Spain and finish work was done by SEI in the US, then were assembled using the parts kits mentioned. the first batch was perfectly fine and like any other surplus gun aside from some stamping for the importer ("ST ALBANS VT").

here's the problem: while Spain did both the casting and the finish machining, Century decided to cheap out and sent most of the ADI Lithgow made castings to a contractor that tried to use CNC programs to automate the finish machining. this isn't possible as the geometry is too complex for anything short of a 6 axis multi million dollar CNC to do. you will need a human to do the finish machining of the raceways, bolt rails, and certain journals around the barrel shoulder - lots of tapered journals, long tapers for the receiver itself, and the receiver is fitted to the barrel and machined to fit with a specific bolt and op rod with fitting work, the location and depth of the FP retraction and alignment of the heel to the bolt raceway, et c - it's why these parts are all serialized and matched to the same rifle at the factory. the work was good enough that parts can interchange readily but not necessarily between manufacturers. a shame, really, because the actual ADI Lithgow receiver casting is very good quality, but let down by shoddy machine work.

i don't know if Century ever fully assembled any Lithgow receivers into rifles, but i would suspect they would be quite dangerous without deep, knowledgeable inspection. Century did make the Spanish receivers into rifles in-house and these have some small issues that can be fixed with hand-fitting, but the parts themselves are fine - Century simply didn't do the effort to size and fit each rifle together to save costs. for the buyer, these would be good project guns as the ones i've seen only required one or two parts swaps or some minor fitting work.

so basically unless you can inspect in-person i would suggest you avoid and consider a CMP M1 or a SEI M1. at least they know what they are doing.

 

[HumptiDouji]

Why not get an M14/FAL/G3 then? Full power 7.62 is enough and 20rd mags are massive, quick to change and don't fly off on empty so you can easily put them back in your pocket and reuse. Not saying M1 is bad; it's very very good, but it's a bit obsolete nowadays.

Depending on circumstances they can be easier and cheaper to source, the CMP doesn't offer M14s, FALs, or G3s. There's also the banproof part, in Canada you can generally have 5rd detachable magazines for self-loading rifles, so if you get yourself a cheap Chinese M14 clone that's available there, those are your option there, however the M1 is exempt by name to get to have its normal 8rd magazine and en-bloc clips.

An example from a Canadian anon on /k/; a surplus unused M1 receiver from Italy, along with a few other surplus parts and aftermarket parts, refinished with cerakote and fitted with a plastic stock to make for an overall weather resistant rifle in .308 Winchester. With the higher capacity and faster loading, and far superior parts quality, he made a straight upgrade from the Norinco M14 clone he sold to finance this project.

1. "Navy Garands" or US Navy M1 Conversion Rifles were surplus M1 rifles converted to 7.62x51mm NATO. they were functionally unmodified other than a chamber insert and gas port enlargement. this was a poor conversion, but for signalling purposes and for ship-board security on the cheap, it worked well enough. the CMP and several other companies make a more proper conversion with a rebarrel and new gas piston assembly for purchase.

Some of the Navy M1s were actually properly rebarreled, and work fine. CMP will also offer rebuilt rifles with barrels in .308 Winchester, in either caliber they will be cheaper than an M14.

 

[HelpingNoone]

SRA openly talking on reddit about using firearms, bricks, and baby carriages to stop people from escaping protestor swarms on public roads. Mob kidnapping.
This is the terrorism that Deviant and Tacticool GF openly support. These are Karl's friends...
https://www.reddit.com/r/SocialistR..._was_killed_yesterday_by_a_vehicle_attack_on/

 

[likeacrackado]

SRA openly talking on reddit about using firearms, bricks, and baby carriages to stop people from escaping protestor swarms on public roads. Mob kidnapping.
This is the terrorism that Deviant and Tacticool GF openly support. These are Karl's friends...
https://www.reddit.com/r/SocialistR..._was_killed_yesterday_by_a_vehicle_attack_on/

I get a little concerned about the violent acts these "people" might do, but then I browse the subreddit and see posts discussing whether semi auto, bolt, or lever action is best for combat. Most of them are just retards too nervous or hateful to ask a normal person's opinions instead of other speds.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

I get a little concerned about the violent acts these "people" might do, but then I browse the subreddit and see posts discussing whether semi auto, bolt, or lever action is best for combat. Most of them are just retards too nervous or hateful to ask a normal person's opinions instead of other speds.

Yes and no, twitchy and paranoid people with victimhood complexes should worry you a great deal. Especially if they're retareded and keep themselves cloistered among their own kind. These are the type of people who will shoot someone for no reason and fell justified as the victim.

 

[Club Sandwich]

Some of the Navy M1s were actually properly rebarreled

must be relatively rare then, i've only ever seen the sleeved oned. rebarreles actions should be pretty nice.

 

[HumptiDouji]

I think they actually had more rebarrelled rifles than they did chamber plug conversions.

 

[Only A Retard Sometimes]

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>Gets sent optic by Sig to shill
>Does his usual shooting demo reel schtick
Wow, Garandthumb, you sure highlighted the strengths of the optic by shooting that target at the whopping range of 1 foot. Really putting that med-school dropout intelligence to work.

yeah whatever happened to the infantry half mile? 50% of engagements in Afganistan were at more than 300 yards.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

yeah whatever happened to the infantry half mile? 50% of engagements in Afganistan were at more than 300 yards.

Well.... at 80% of troops don't know their pacecount, those that do are too busy to retrain, and everyone else just goes by what they hear on icomms (or whatever they hear FAC yelling).

And forget about Lt. with the rangefinder; he done forgot it after checking out some ass from across the FOB.

 

[Decoy St. Chum]

SRA openly talking on reddit about using firearms, bricks, and baby carriages to stop people from escaping protestor swarms on public roads. Mob kidnapping.
This is the terrorism that Deviant and Tacticool GF openly support. These are Karl's friends...
https://www.reddit.com/r/SocialistR..._was_killed_yesterday_by_a_vehicle_attack_on/

I knew ever since Charlottesville people will never safely drive past these rallies again. They will surround you and will brand you a terrorist if you don't want your vehicle destroyed, you pulled out and beaten to death. That guy should've walked.

 

[ellroy]

I get a little concerned about the violent acts these "people" might do, but then I browse the subreddit and see posts discussing whether semi auto, bolt, or lever action is best for combat. Most of them are just retards too nervous or hateful to ask a normal person's opinions instead of other speds.

If anyone here wants a good chuckle, I recommend going to SRA groups on Facebook and looking at their member postings of their armaments with Marxist literature displayed. I think my favorite one was someone showed off his Kel-Tec SUB2000 and another showing off his PSA AR but had a sticker over the logo since it was triggering to own a rifle from a Trump supporting company. It’s hilarious to think about these jackasses going to go fight with shitty range toys and install themselves as the new ruling class.

 

[Club Sandwich]

fight with shitty range toys

speaking from experience, i would be more concerned about the people who are entertaining the thought of ideological violence than the specifics about the weapon used to execute that thought. i've been to a lot of places where this sort of road ends up in, and it isn't a fun place for anyone involved, before or after.

if you want a cheap laugh, consider the sort of people who virtue signal about their guilty conscience, and their oppression, and their willingness to do things for their cause, and then contrast that with what they're actually doing for their cause - in terms of visibility or practical value. now that's a circus worth the price of admission.