General GunTuber thread

Since Karl bad man, maybe Mac’s opinion is more valid for you all: https://youtu.be/i_cdXSVmVxw
One of the commenters in that video mentioned something I don't see a lot of people talking about:

Yes. I, too, never noticed him using the FA. This incident showed how important the forward assist can be. It also showed how important a sling/weapon retention is, which was my first (and biggest) take-away when this initially happened. I re-evaluated and changed my sling setups after this.

That cheap-ass sling was one of the unsung heroes in that whole clusterfuck. If he had dropped his gun (or worse, the sling come loose/undone) when sk8er boi or jumpkick man got to him, he would have been dead meat on the street that night.

Are you saying that Rittenhouse is a combat veteran now?
No, but he currently has more actual self-defense experience than most people talking about forward assists. Including, last I checked, Karl.

There is something to be said for giving empirical evidence its due weight.
 
Agreed on slings. I’ve seen the same comments about people buying slings for their rifles after this. I always have slings on practical/defensive rifles because it was the mantra decades ago that a sling for a rifle is as a holster is to a pistol. I don’t have them on match guns most of the time because they make discard procedures more of a hassle.
 
No, but he currently has more actual self-defense experience than most people talking about forward assists. Including, last I checked, Karl.

There is something to be said for giving empirical evidence its due weight.

George Zimmerman one shotted Trayvon with a Kel-tec PF9; does that mean the Keltec PF9 is now the ultimate combat handgun?

There’s a lot of people killing people with shitty guns. That doesn’t make them firearms experts; though the tactics and techniques they use might be interesting.
 
Another thing about forward assists, I after having used a certain .22 in my collection for hunting squirrels that had a bad habit of not picking up the first round when loading with the bolt handle, I got paranoid about brass checking on all my guns. My AR loads fine, but when I brass check it, it won’t be in battery any more and hitting the forward assist is much easier and comfortable than putting my thumb in the dished cut in the bolt. Also both of my ARs have the A1 teardrop style buttons if that means anything to anyone
 
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George Zimmerman one shotted Trayvon with a Kel-tec PF9; does that mean the Keltec PF9 is now the ultimate combat handgun?

There’s a lot of people killing people with shitty guns. That doesn’t make them firearms experts; though the tactics and techniques they use might be interesting.
That's a disingenuous argument and you know it. Not everybody who wants to shoot for either sport or self-defense has the spare cash to drop on a Glock or a high-quality AR, and that was the case with Rittenhouse. Between a Hi-Point or a Keltec in hand or Glock in the wishlist, I know what I'm picking.
 
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Since Karl bad man, maybe Mac’s opinion is more valid for you all: https://youtu.be/i_cdXSVmVxw
The issue here isn't which e-celeb has the valid opinions, the fact is that Karl can't handle the internet. More important than being wrong or right it's knowing how to be wrong or right. Karl doesn't know how to be either, and to make things worse he also doesn't know when to let things go.
If he ignored the people asking him about Rittenhouse they'd eventually go away. But not only is he choosing to keep the forward assist argument alive he's also resorting to poor rhetoric like questioning the use of terminology. Oh no, Kyle misspoke during an interview. Nobody cares, what matters is that he knew how to use his tools and demonstrated proficiency in a real life. This hurts Karl's ego so much he has to debase himself and resort to low hanging fruit.
 
That's a disingenuous argument and you know it. Not everybody who wants to shoot for either sport or self-defense has the spare cash to drop on a Glock or a high-quality AR, and that was the case with Rittenhouse. Between a Hi-Point or a Keltec in hand or Glock in the wishlist, I know what I'm picking.

No you don’t even understand my argument.

Of course having any gun is better than no gun. But no one is using Zimmerman as an example of what an optimal combat handgun is. It happened to work and was effective under his circumstances. That doesn’t mean it’s universally a good choice.

What Rittenhouse did happened to work under his particular circumstances. That doesn’t mean it’s always the right option. Using this situation as an appeal to authority is amusing though.

Even Chris at Small Arms solutions believed it was more luck than anything: https://youtu.be/jquRFm4J7QY?t=1197
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Yet combat veterans attend these events, enjoy them, and find them valuable.

do you guys enjoy anything other than just shitting on stuff?
Your average grunt is a retard and has a bad back by the ripe old age of 23. Thinking something is fun is a far cry from making it technically valuable. A lot of combat veterans are into CrossFit too, that doesn't make CrossFit any less of a pile of shit.
 
Sinistral, I appreciate you being here and voicing a different opinion than a lot of us have but I need to ask. Even with all the screenshots and video of Karl acting like a contrarian ass in this thread (assuming you read all the pages before posting), how do you not find Karl to be detrimental to the firearms community?

I'm not trying to put you on the spot but I'm just having a hard time understanding how someone can look at Karl's spergouts and go "this is fine." Keep in mind this is a guy who was antagonizing owners of the T36 getting screwed over by a Federal Agency and daring them to get gunned down. A guy who flat out bans Rhodesian and Wehrmacht camo at his shooting events despite him dressing up like a Wehraboo in the past but lets people dress up as Soviet troops (edit: this is not true). Karl is a very antagonizing person beyond his lack of legitimate knowledge on anything. Like how can someone defend his online personality?
 
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Sinistral, I appreciate you being here and voicing a different opinion than a lot of us have but I need to ask. Even with all the screenshots and video of Karl acting like a contrarian ass in this thread (assuming you read all the pages before posting), how do not find Karl to be detrimental to the firearms community?

I'm not trying to put you on the spot but I'm just having a hard time understand how someone can look at Karl's spergouts and go "this is fine." Keep in mind this is a guy who was antagonizing owners of the T36 getting screwed over by a Federal Agency and daring them to get gunned down. A guy who flat out bans Rhodesian and Wehrmacht camo at his shooting events despite him dressing up like a Wehraboo in the past but lets people dress up as Soviet troops. Karl is a very antagonizing person beyond his lack of legitimate knowledge on anything. Like how can someone defend his online personality?

Fundamentally it seems you think the internet at large should be able to say whatever it wants to him directly and he should never respond to it. When he responds to the 100th person that thinks they’re clever posting the same shit, you call it a sperg out.

The non compliance challenge was Karl responding to people telling him he shouldn’t send in his T36 to make it complaint. He’s a public figure. He’s used it publicly. And people were telling him he should Waco himself by not paying $300 or whatever it was to replace the receiver. People willfully misinterpreted this or ignored the impetus for it and still are apparently.

Karl does not run the DEFCON shoot. There are no camo bans at events he runs. There were people in Rhodesian camo at the most recent Desert Brutality event. People also wear MAGA hats along side communist LARPers.

Where do you get this absolute nonsense?

“Lack of legitimate knowledge”…yeah right. Major companies chose to work with him (not just mine) because he is knowledgeable and has a fan base that actually purchases stuff. Brownells, a multimillion dollar company, approached them about doing a licensed WWSD rifle project. With over 1,000 units sold it’s the most successful one of these projects they’ve ever done.

Karl’s media content has made firearms more accessible to a wider cross section of the population. He’s popularizing 2 Gun internationally. Creating constructive venues for people to use their firearms and get better with them is bad for the community how?

The straw man of exaggerated opinions and some outright lies you’ve built of Karl does not exist in reality. If it did I wouldn’t work with him and not many other people would either.
 
Your average grunt is a retard and has a bad back by the ripe old age of 23. Thinking something is fun is a far cry from making it technically valuable. A lot of combat veterans are into CrossFit too, that doesn't make CrossFit any less of a pile of shit.

So which is it combat veterans are the only one qualified to speak on matters of small arms and combat OR are they retards?

You destroyed your own appeal to authority.
 
Fundamentally it seems you think the internet at large should be able to say whatever it wants to him directly and he should never respond to it. When he responds to the 100th person that thinks they’re clever posting the same shit, you call it a sperg out.

The non compliance challenge was Karl responding to people telling him he shouldn’t send in his T36 to make it complaint. He’s a public figure. He’s used it publicly. And people were telling him he should Waco himself by not paying $300 or whatever it was to replace the receiver. People willfully misinterpreted this or ignored the impetus for it and still are apparently.

Karl does not run the DEFCON shoot. There are no camo bans at events he runs. There were people in Rhodesian camo at the most recent Desert Brutality event. People also wear MAGA hats along side communist LARPers.

Where do you get this absolute nonsense?

“Lack of legitimate knowledge”…yeah right. Major companies chose to work with him (not just mine) because he is knowledgeable and has a fan base that actually purchases stuff. Brownells, a multimillion dollar company, approached them about doing a licensed WWSD rifle project. With over 1,000 units sold it’s the most successful one of these projects they’ve ever done.

Karl’s media content has made firearms more accessible to a wider cross section of the population. He’s popularizing 2 Gun internationally. Creating constructive venues for people to use their firearms and get better with them is bad for the community how?

The straw man of exaggerated opinions and some outright lies you’ve built of Karl does not exist in reality. If it did I wouldn’t work with him and not many other people would either.
I'll own the DEF CON - Desert Brutality mix up. I should of relooked it up before using it as an example. That was DeviantOllam's doing and we're not talking about him. 100% my bad, I fucked up.

Concerning the T36. There is a way to get through to people and make a point without antagonizing them. Karl chose not to do that because as a public figure, he gets annoyed very easily and goes off on a tangent to own people in an argument. This is why I think Karl is detrimental. Karl could spend an afternoon reading Dale Carnegie's How to Win Friends and Influence People, implement what he learned, and this thread would be inactive since we would have nothing to talk about since his sperging would come to a screeching halt.

I've seen videos in the past with Karl and he doesn't strike me as that knowledgeable, he is just an enthusiastic hobbyist. He just doesn't make a living in the firearms industry, he reads a lot and he just has a lot of confidence when presenting what he has read. I think his arguments fall flat with forward assist because simply put, he has never been in stressful situations with it whether it its combat or training. When I see someone like Vickers talk about the need for FA, I'm more likely to listen to a career soldier since he has a lot of experience with firearms that have it to understand why it is needed. Not someone sitting on his computer reading old paperwork and then saying "wow, we don't need that; the US military is stupid for having it".

I don't know his exact role with WWSD; I do know Karl isn't an engineer. He can't flip open a material science text book and explain the relevant theory on how it works. WWSD is succeeding because there are smart enough people doing the engineering to make it work.

Concerning his outreach, I'll let the stats speak:

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It is almost as if his online behavior has isolated him from the rest of the community and his channel is going stagnant in outreach.

Anyways, thanks for being a good sport and engaging me. I can tell we not going to agree but it is ok.

I'll end this with a compliment, that was pretty cool that you stood up for yourself and reached out to SA concerning your ban. I think a lot of people wouldn't of bothered but you stuck to what you believed was right..
 
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When he responds to the 100th person that thinks they’re clever posting the same shit, you call it a sperg out.
Nobody's saying he can't respond. But if even you know the 100th person is not asking in good faith, there is no point in getting angry.
The non compliance challenge was Karl responding to people telling him he shouldn’t send in his T36 to make it complaint. He’s a public figure. He’s used it publicly. And people were telling him he should Waco himself by not paying $300 or whatever it was to replace the receiver. People willfully misinterpreted this or ignored the impetus for it and still are apparently.
I happen to agree his response was taken out of context because others egged him on. But again he gave the critics the screenshot they wanted.
If I'm not mistaken Ian also said that he got rid of his bumpstock because his possession of the item was public knowledge. He said this calmly in a video that could not be misrepresented. And boy is there a faction of agitators that love taking Ian's words out of context.
Karl’s media content has made firearms more accessible to a wider cross section of the population. He’s popularizing 2 Gun internationally. Creating constructive venues for people to use their firearms and get better with them is bad for the community how?
I don't think having childish arguments online over the forward assist is constructive. I don't think Karl getting into the mask debate was constructive.
I think the "wider cross section" at one point is wide enough to include bad faith actors.
 
“Lack of legitimate knowledge”…yeah right. Major companies chose to work with him (not just mine) because he is knowledgeable and has a fan base that actually purchases stuff. Brownells, a multimillion dollar company, approached them about doing a licensed WWSD rifle project. With over 1,000 units sold it’s the most successful one of these projects they’ve ever done.
What about his business partner, that long-haired guy? He probably has a fanbase too right?
 
So which is it combat veterans are the only one qualified to speak on matters of small arms and combat OR are they retards?

You destroyed your own appeal to authority.
No, they're fucking retards but people who have been in actual fire fights usually know more about their weapon systems, whats on them, and what purposes they serve than some contrarian dick on the internet. Like FA or not, it's insane to me to see people that advocate less preventative material on their guns. It tells me they don't know actual dick about actual dick. Like retards who claim they have a self defense AR thats loaded down with a bunch of bullshit they see soldiers use, and none of it is tied down.
 
Shit he probably privated the video. There was also a long chain of comments where someone took the time to explain that the cheaper steel cased stuff is often loaded with less but faster powder, so you get reduced velocity but way lower port pressure.
The Vigilance Elite dude is clearly lacking something in the intellectual department. He also went up to Taran's range while Keanu was shooting there, filmed some stuff with him, then posted a video claiming he trained Keanu for John Wick even though he was never hired to do so. Taran had to issue a copyright takedown of the video because that footage is essentially under embargo. He also blabbed about an actress training there for Modern Warfare and she lost the gig.
So in essence Sean Palmisano ("Shawn Ryan") is kinda retarded.
 
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