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More of a fucking combat veteran than the retard who thinks tossing around kettle bells in battle rattle is realistic or helpful instead of just a way to rupture a disc.
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The issue here isn't which e-celeb has the valid opinions, the fact is that Karl can't handle the internet. More important than being wrong or right it's knowing how to be wrong or right. Karl doesn't know how to be either, and to make things worse he also doesn't know when to let things go.
If he ignored the people asking him about Rittenhouse they'd eventually go away. But not only is he choosing to keep the forward assist argument alive he's also resorting to poor rhetoric like questioning the use of terminology. Oh no, Kyle misspoke during an interview. Nobody cares, what matters is that he knew how to use his tools and demonstrated proficiency in a real life. This hurts Karl's ego so much he has to debase himself and resort to low hanging fruit.
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No you don’t even understand my argument.
Of course having any gun is better than no gun. But no one is using Zimmerman as an example of what an optimal combat handgun is. It happened to work and was effective under his circumstances. That doesn’t mean it’s universally a good choice.
What Rittenhouse did happened to work under his particular circumstances. That doesn’t mean it’s always the right option. Using this situation as an appeal to authority is amusing though.
Even Chris at Small Arms solutions believed it was more luck than anything: https://youtu.be/jquRFm4J7QY?t=1197
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Yet combat veterans attend these events, enjoy them, and find them valuable.
do you guys enjoy anything other than just shitting on stuff?
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Your average grunt is a retard and has a bad back by the ripe old age of 23. Thinking something is fun is a far cry from making it technically valuable. A lot of combat veterans are into CrossFit too, that doesn't make CrossFit any less of a pile of shit.Yet combat veterans attend these events, enjoy them, and find them valuable.
do you guys enjoy anything other than just shitting on stuff?
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Sinistral, I appreciate you being here and voicing a different opinion than a lot of us have but I need to ask. Even with all the screenshots and video of Karl acting like a contrarian ass in this thread (assuming you read all the pages before posting), how do you not find Karl to be detrimental to the firearms community?
I'm not trying to put you on the spot but I'm just having a hard time understanding how someone can look at Karl's spergouts and go "this is fine." Keep in mind this is a guy who was antagonizing owners of the T36 getting screwed over by a Federal Agency and daring them to get gunned down. A guy who flat out bans Rhodesian and Wehrmacht camo at his shooting events despite him dressing up like a Wehraboo in the past but lets people dress up as Soviet troops (edit: this is not true). Karl is a very antagonizing person beyond his lack of legitimate knowledge on anything. Like how can someone defend his online personality?
I'm not trying to put you on the spot but I'm just having a hard time understanding how someone can look at Karl's spergouts and go "this is fine." Keep in mind this is a guy who was antagonizing owners of the T36 getting screwed over by a Federal Agency and daring them to get gunned down.
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Fundamentally it seems you think the internet at large should be able to say whatever it wants to him directly and he should never respond to it. When he responds to the 100th person that thinks they’re clever posting the same shit, you call it a sperg out.
The non compliance challenge was Karl responding to people telling him he shouldn’t send in his T36 to make it complaint. He’s a public figure. He’s used it publicly. And people were telling him he should Waco himself by not paying $300 or whatever it was to replace the receiver. People willfully misinterpreted this or ignored the impetus for it and still are apparently.
Karl does not run the DEFCON shoot. There are no camo bans at events he runs. There were people in Rhodesian camo at the most recent Desert Brutality event. People also wear MAGA hats along side communist LARPers.
Where do you get this absolute nonsense?
“Lack of legitimate knowledge”…yeah right. Major companies chose to work with him (not just mine) because he is knowledgeable and has a fan base that actually purchases stuff. Brownells, a multimillion dollar company, approached them about doing a licensed WWSD rifle project. With over 1,000 units sold it’s the most successful one of these projects they’ve ever done.
Karl’s media content has made firearms more accessible to a wider cross section of the population. He’s popularizing 2 Gun internationally. Creating constructive venues for people to use their firearms and get better with them is bad for the community how?
The straw man of exaggerated opinions and some outright lies you’ve built of Karl does not exist in reality. If it did I wouldn’t work with him and not many other people would either.
So which is it combat veterans are the only one qualified to speak on matters of small arms and combat OR are they retards?
You destroyed your own appeal to authority.
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I'll own the DEF CON - Desert Brutality mix up. I should of relooked it up before using it as an example. That was DeviantOllam's doing and we're not talking about him. 100% my bad, I fucked up.
Concerning the T36. There is a way to get through to people and make a point without antagonizing them. Karl chose not to do that because as a public figure, he gets annoyed very easily and goes off on a tangent to own people in an argument. This is why I think Karl is detrimental. Karl could spend an afternoon reading Dale Carnegie's How to Win Friends and Influence People, implement what he learned, and this thread would be inactive since we would have nothing to talk about since his sperging would come to a screeching halt.
I've seen videos in the past with Karl and he doesn't strike me as that knowledgeable, he is just an enthusiastic hobbyist. He just doesn't make a living in the firearms industry, he reads a lot and he just has a lot of confidence when presenting what he has read. I think his arguments fall flat with forward assist because simply put, he has never been in stressful situations with it whether it its combat or training. When I see someone like Vickers talk about the need for FA, I'm more likely to listen to a career soldier since he has a lot of experience with firearms that have it to understand why it is needed. Not someone sitting on his computer reading old paperwork and then saying "wow, we don't need that; the US military is stupid for having it".
I don't know his exact role with WWSD; I do know Karl isn't an engineer. He can't flip open a material science text book and explain the relevant theory on how it works. WWSD is succeeding because there are smart enough people doing the engineering to make it work.
Concerning his outreach, I'll let the stats speak:
It is almost as if his online behavior has isolated him from the rest of the community and his channel is going stagnant in outreach.
Anyways, thanks for being a good sport and engaging me. I can tell we not going to agree but it is ok.
I'll end this with a compliment, that was pretty cool that you stood up for yourself and reached out to SA concerning your ban. I think a lot of people wouldn't of bothered but you stuck to what you believed was right..
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Nobody's saying he can't respond. But if even you know the 100th person is not asking in good faith, there is no point in getting angry.
I happen to agree his response was taken out of context because others egged him on. But again he gave the critics the screenshot they wanted.
If I'm not mistaken Ian also said that he got rid of his bumpstock because his possession of the item was public knowledge. He said this calmly in a video that could not be misrepresented. And boy is there a faction of agitators that love taking Ian's words out of context.
I don't think having childish arguments online over the forward assist is constructive. I don't think Karl getting into the mask debate was constructive.
I think the "wider cross section" at one point is wide enough to include bad faith actors.
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What about his business partner, that long-haired guy? He probably has a fanbase too right?
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No, they're fucking retards but people who have been in actual fire fights usually know more about their weapon systems, whats on them, and what purposes they serve than some contrarian dick on the internet. Like FA or not, it's insane to me to see people that advocate less preventative material on their guns. It tells me they don't know actual dick about actual dick. Like retards who claim they have a self defense AR thats loaded down with a bunch of bullshit they see soldiers use, and none of it is tied down.
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Shit he probably privated the video. There was also a long chain of comments where someone took the time to explain that the cheaper steel cased stuff is often loaded with less but faster powder, so you get reduced velocity but way lower port pressure.
The Vigilance Elite dude is clearly lacking something in the intellectual department. He also went up to Taran's range while Keanu was shooting there, filmed some stuff with him, then posted a video claiming he trained Keanu for John Wick even though he was never hired to do so. Taran had to issue a copyright takedown of the video because that footage is essentially under embargo. He also blabbed about an actress training there for Modern Warfare and she lost the gig.
So in essence Sean Palmisano ("Shawn Ryan") is kinda retarded.
The Vigilance Elite dude is clearly lacking something in the intellectual department. He also went up to Taran's range while Keanu was shooting there, filmed some stuff with him, then posted a video claiming he trained Keanu for John Wick even though he was never hired to do so. Taran had to issue a copyright takedown of the video because that footage is essentially under embargo. He also blabbed about an actress training there for Modern Warfare and she lost the gig.
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Why can't Karl the Cuck come here and defend himself instead of sending his tubby autistic buttbuddy?
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Karl's worked infosec before, he knows very well that signing up to a forum using your real name is potentially compromising material.
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Even if that weren't the case, simply having an account here in grounds for a canceling if you're woke. Phagan, for all the shit we give him, isn't part of that crowd so him being here and giving us confirmation of his identity is no big deal.
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So long as he's the one relaying screenshots, that could be mitigated. I doubt he would enter into a perceived thread of antagonism and especially not if he had to verify himself to Null before anyone would take him remotely seriously.
Sidenote: I'm impressed that we on the Farms have more of an effect on the market than Karl's exceptional shenanigans. He's totally irrelevant even when it comes to his own product, that's astounding!
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I mean, it's not like you have to go through a strenuous vetting process to get verified here. But yeah, I think the issue is that he'd be diving head-first into a shark pool. Karl has done some good work in the past (I still recommend some of his old historical vignette videos to people), but there's definitely not a lot of love for him around these parts. And, to be honest, I don't want his sycophants to sign up here to try to defend him either.
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Wasn't that because those were used for assassinations? The rationale there was that you aren't going into a firefight, you're finding your target and then quietly murdering them when they're alone.
If you have the element of surprise and the luxury of getting to place your shot at your leisure, it doesn't matter if penetration isn't that deep, you can shoot the target a number more times after they're down to make sure they'll die, and the .22 being so very quiet with a silencer is a very useful aspect.
"If you end up in a firefight, you're dead anyway." I think makes sense, a bunch of guys with guns coming down on you will almost certainly have the same outcome whether your pistol is a .22 or a .45, attempting escape seems like the only approach that's at all viable.
Yes. Just the same, I like AR15s without forward assists, for lightweight builds that's viable, and the old pre A1 rifles and carbines without them are so very charming in their own way.
I only want people to know that omitting it is actually tradeoff, and they should consider if they feel it's a worthwhile one.
Sure, but fact of the matter is that the thing still lets you do remedial action. Even Karl himself will tap the bolt on an AK to make sure it's properly seated, the forward assist fulfilling that functionality when necessary.
For what it matters, much more of one than Karl is, the kid had to fight for his dear life and shoot multiple assailants within just a couple of minutes. Luck was surely on his side (for instance all the evidence being so strongly in his favor), but he was also thinking and reacting really quickly.
That said, he's no super soldier or anything, he's just a young boy, and if I want input on tactics and handling I'm more wont to give Paul Harrell the time of day, because I know he has lots of experience (and he does demonstrate his points very well), but I think that Kyle's example actually does matter, even if it's just one.
The best one.
No offense, but I find myself second guessing most of what Bartocci says. He clearly knows some things well, but he often speaks authoritatively about subjects he's actually not versed in.
Sure, read my title.
I must say, I appreciate this strongly too. Even if you think we're just a bunch of assholes, you have provided some informative posts (you clearly know your shit when it comes to polymers), and you're better behaved than probably most "Persons Of Interest"
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It's not like they'd last long before pissing a mod or Null off.
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This is true but mind the world as it was in the post-WW2/Cold War era. Fancy concealed-carry pieces like the ASP were not manufactured in large numbers and spies wouldn't carry them knowing they might have to dispose out of a custom smithed piece while leaving the country. There was no Glock 26 or Sig P365. The best attachment you could reliably get for rifles and submachine guns in most countries was a canvas sling. Police forces around the world often still used .25/.32/.380 rather than "combat" handguns and ironsights had tiny notches instead of the "quick acquisition" three dot or front dot configurations we have now so if you had a .22 you wouldn't be that outgunned.
While they used 22s for assassinations they also issued them to air marshals. Back then it was the price to pay for concealment.
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They would then later go on to use them as "less lethal" crowd control.
EDIT: less, not ledd.