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Sig Sauer has posted a statement regarding their Quality issues on X.
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(they're getting absolutely shit on in the replies lmao)

FocusTripp is also doing a livestream segment on it too, though I don't think its gonna be all of it:
 
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Romulus augustulus said:
as far as i can recall, Swiss SiG and German SiG were so poorly managed and heavily regulated that all the talent in the company fled to SiG USA which eventially became the largest and most profitable branch. German SiG is gone now, and Swiss SiG only manufactures the SG550 series rifles and accessories for them. SG550 is a good gun but a company making only one rifle who's only large orders are one military and limited civilian sales in the EU and USA is not a company that has any longevity. once the Swiss army moves to their next rifle (SiG Spear for the meme hopefully) Swiss SiG is dead.
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The new 563 that takes AR mags and 550 mags is pretty neat. It'll never come to the US

 
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Archie_Kimkicker said:
All I know about SIG P320 is I know lots of dudes selling them "gently used."
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FOR SALE: Sig P320, only fired once, trigger never pulled.

Why didn't we just adopt the Glock for our pistol? "OMG there's no safety!!!111!!!!" Fuck off retard. If police officers who fire less than 50 rounds a year can manage not to ND constantly than a soldier or Marine can deal with it. It would have been cheaper and the aftermarket for Glocks is way bigger. Fuck SIG.
 
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Mr. Racewar1488 said:
FOR SALE: Sig P320, only fired once, trigger never pulled.

Why didn't we just adopt the Glock for our pistol? "OMG there's no safety!!!111!!!!" Fuck off retard. If police officers who fire less than 50 rounds a year can manage not to ND constantly than a soldier or Marine can deal with it. It would have been cheaper and the aftermarket for Glocks is way bigger. Fuck SIG.
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the ultimate reason a police agency adopts any pistol; Glock, SiG, S&W et cetera is because it's the cheapest.

The Revolvers weren't replaced in the late 1990s because automatics were better. it was because Glock (for the most part) sold pistols to the police at cost hoping that mass adoption of the Glock would drive civilian sales and they were right. SiG did this to the DoD. offered a price they could not ignore.
 
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Mr. Racewar1488 said:
FOR SALE: Sig P320, only fired once, trigger never pulled.

Why didn't we just adopt the Glock for our pistol? "OMG there's no safety!!!111!!!!" Fuck off retard. If police officers who fire less than 50 rounds a year can manage not to ND constantly than a soldier or Marine can deal with it. It would have been cheaper and the aftermarket for Glocks is way bigger. Fuck SIG.
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For some reason, the military wanted a modular pistol that could be swapped between full size and compact. The P320 offers this via its FCU. The Glock 19X (the pistol Glock submitted) does not. As far as price goes, no doubt Sig undercut Glock, because Sig cuts corners at every step. Other than that, there are persistent rumors of shenanigans going on with the military and Sig winning contracts for subpar weapons. There should really be an investigation into this.

I won't rant about the NGSW contest. That whole thing was a shit show, and continues to be. The XM250 is interesting and might hold some promise, but the XM7 is fucking dumb and there's no way it's going to see widespread adoption as a replacement for the M4.
 
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Mr. Racewar1488 said:
Why didn't we just adopt the Glock for our pistol? "OMG there's no safety!!!111!!!!"
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The globalists don't want you to know about this, like the free ducks. But, Glock will sell you any of their pistols with a factory 1911esque frame mounted thumb safety if the contract is big enough. The MHS submission had one and I have handled with my own fingers a police trade in g19gen3 that had one.
 
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WhoBusTank69 said:
They relocated to India I think.
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Bit of a "dad works in Nintendo" source, but I spoke with a guy who is serving in Australian Defence Force and is in the weeds when it comes to small arms procurement. How he explained the issues with SIG P320s, it all goes down to their quality control getting shafted by SIG outsourcing as much of the manufacturing of small parts and casting to overseas, that is India. M17/M18 have to be made in US, but when they mixed US made parts with India made commercial parts in some early batches, then we got the M17 issues. Which disappeared when they moved to full US production.

How my source explained, the ADF's P320 XCarry had none of the P320 issues, outside of couple from the early batches that had commercial parts mixed with, because the contract they acquired requires autistic quality control and audits of the guns in both US and Australia that their guns have to be 100% US made. And whoop di doo, they work without any issues.
 
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Laminated Flooring Panel said:
Bit of a "dad works in Nintendo" source, but I spoke with a guy who is serving in Australian Defence Force and is in the weeds when it comes to small arms procurement. How he explained the issues with SIG P320s, it all goes down to their quality control getting shafted by SIG outsourcing as much of the manufacturing of small parts and casting to overseas, that is India. M17/M18 have to be made in US, but when they mixed US made parts with India made commercial parts in some early batches, then we got the M17 issues. Which disappeared when they moved to full US production.

How my source explained, the ADF's P320 XCarry had none of the P320 issues, outside of couple from the early batches that had commercial parts mixed with, because the contract they acquired requires autistic quality control and audits of the guns in both US and Australia that their guns have to be 100% US made. And whoop di doo, they work without any issues.
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That more-or-less jives with what comes from the lawsuit related testing, but the vulnerability comes from the fact that they jammed a striker into the frame and slide for a hammer fired gun and ended up with a design that just isn't quite right.
 
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Often forgotten but the Beretta APX was also submitted as a modular pistol and didn't get picked. They're now incredibly affordable and reliable albeit without much support for the actual modular part. It appears why the Army went with Sig was Due to the ammo deal.

Beretta still makes the APX and a couple years ago updated it with a new slide design and optics cut. The mags are cheap and the pistol themselves can be found for under $400 regularly

 
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Laminated Flooring Panel said:
Bit of a "dad works in Nintendo" source, but I spoke with a guy who is serving in Australian Defence Force and is in the weeds when it comes to small arms procurement. How he explained the issues with SIG P320s, it all goes down to their quality control getting shafted by SIG outsourcing as much of the manufacturing of small parts and casting to overseas, that is India. M17/M18 have to be made in US, but when they mixed US made parts with India made commercial parts in some early batches, then we got the M17 issues. Which disappeared when they moved to full US production.

How my source explained, the ADF's P320 XCarry had none of the P320 issues, outside of couple from the early batches that had commercial parts mixed with, because the contract they acquired requires autistic quality control and audits of the guns in both US and Australia that their guns have to be 100% US made. And whoop di doo, they work without any issues.
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That's the problem with a lot of things these days. MiM, casting whatever is fine. it works. IF THE MANUFACTURER DOES IT PROPERLY!

Colt Does MIM, works fine.

S&W Does MIM, works fine. (S&W's problems are with final QA not construction)

Ruger's are cast, works fine.

SiG does MIM and its shit.

the difference? SiG outsourced to india. these other companies did not.
 
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