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only17 said:
I have no clue why but I find oxide incredibly annoying
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Is it because he's a scrawny Jew Midget?
only17 said:
i think its something about the voice but maybe also the slight Russian LARPing
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His voice has never bothered me, the russian larping is incredibly autistic but fuck do his cosplays look cool, even if they are worn on his jew midget frame.
Rose Breeder said:
articularly prominent examples are M995 and M993, for 5.56x45 and 7.62x51, respectively.
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You can blame everyone's favorite Russian video game, Escape from Tarkov for that.
 
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Rose Breeder said:
I sincerely believe the aforementioned firearms's portrayal is video games is at least partly to blame for the common misperception of them being especially apt at defeating rifle-resistant body armour, with one particular tittle especially coming to mind. This mythos isn't limited to PDW's however, but generally includes armour piercing cartridges for virtually all types of firearms. Particularly prominent examples are M995 and M993, for 5.56x45 and 7.62x51, respectively. These two cartridges are often seen as the be-all end-all of Western AP cartridges, and thus beliefs about their armour defeating capabilities are often greatly exaggerated.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=drN50N69G3c
I find the fact of the two aforementioned cartridges were designed and fielded not for a anti-personnel role, but rather an anti-materiel one, somewhat telling.
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IIRC the swiss make some fancy tungsten 5.56 that can penetrate level 4 within 100 yards.
 
Rose Breeder said:
I sincerely believe the aforementioned firearms's portrayal is video games is at least partly to blame for the common misperception of them being especially apt at defeating rifle-resistant body armour, with one particular tittle especially coming to mind.
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TV, movies, and gun control groups were well ahead of video games with the misperception of armor piercing (cop killer) ammunition and body armor by about a decade. The V miniseries with its Teflon coated bullets being one of more rememberable examples.
 
Uranus Pink said:
TV, movies, and gun control groups were well ahead of video games with the misperception of armor piercing (cop killer) ammunition and body armor by about a decade. The V miniseries with its Teflon coated bullets being one of more rememberable examples.
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back then alot of cops wore level 2 armor if that. 5.7, 7.62x25, 22 mag and spicy 9mm can get through that.
 
Uranus Pink said:
TV, movies, and gun control groups were well ahead of video games with the misperception of armor piercing (cop killer) ammunition and body armor by about a decade. The V miniseries with its Teflon coated bullets being one of more rememberable examples.
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I finally looked up what "dumdums" are today. Just hollowpoints...what a letdown.
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Only A Retard Sometimes said:
more specifically Dum Dums were rifle bullets that had the tip of the projectile cut off to expose the lead for expansion. they are much more similar to what are called soft points nowadays.
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Maybe someone in this thread can educate me because I have never found a clear answer to this question online. What is the point of soft point ammunition in these modern times? We've had good hollowpoints since the 70's with brands like Super Vel and now HST's and Gold Dots. Sure it's almost entire rifle projectiles but then again modern hollow points exist for them as well, tipped ones too even. So what's the point? sales to boomer fudds who want the bullets that look like the ones their grandpappies taught them to hunt with? Slightly less expensive? Niche use cases where you want expansion but not too much expansion (from what I understand soft points expand much less than hollow points, then again soft points are found near universally in rifle cartridges so expansion and loads of it is a given)
 
AGPinochet said:
Maybe someone in this thread can educate me because I have never found a clear answer to this question online. What is the point of soft point ammunition in these modern times? We've had good hollowpoints since the 70's with brands like Super Vel and now HST's and Gold Dots. Sure it's almost entire rifle projectiles but then again modern hollow points exist for them as well, tipped ones too even. So what's the point? sales to boomer fudds who want the bullets that look like the ones their grandpappies taught them to hunt with? Slightly less expensive? Niche use cases where you want expansion but not too much expansion (from what I understand soft points expand much less than hollow points, then again soft points are found near universally in rifle cartridges so expansion and loads of it is a given)
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As far as cheap AK ammo goes, from what I've seen the soft point stuff expands more than the new steel case hollows coming out of the eastern bloc. For hunting its probably your last point where people feel hollowpoint will damage the meat too much or not penetrate enough.
 
AGPinochet said:
Maybe someone in this thread can educate me because I have never found a clear answer to this question online. What is the point of soft point ammunition in these modern times? We've had good hollowpoints since the 70's with brands like Super Vel and now HST's and Gold Dots. Sure it's almost entire rifle projectiles but then again modern hollow points exist for them as well, tipped ones too even. So what's the point? sales to boomer fudds who want the bullets that look like the ones their grandpappies taught them to hunt with? Slightly less expensive? Niche use cases where you want expansion but not too much expansion (from what I understand soft points expand much less than hollow points, then again soft points are found near universally in rifle cartridges so expansion and loads of it is a given)
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From my experience, soft points are a mainstay of rifle hunting loads and they work fine. Less drag on the bullet at long ranges and all that and the older guys love the bullets with the plastic tip. Problem with them is that they're harder to find and more expensive. I've personally never heard of a hunter lamenting how hollow points ruin meat (then again, I avoid those conversations because I don't want gun talk to turn into spergings of brand loyalty and cartridge superiority). I've got a 150 or 170 soft-pointed .308 caliber projectile fired from a Winchester Model 60 into a deer that I shot. After I recovered it, it had expanded to roughly .60 caliber at its widest and left a trail of destruction that I'm sure a hollow point would do anyways so there's no difference in my book.

So in short, they work well enough most of the time so it's fine for the people that use them. For my hunting rifle, I load 220 grain round nose soft points because I may run into a bear and while overkill for a deer, it'd still kill it so whatever. I also handload it so it doesn't cost me much like buying boutique loads of 220 grain bullets would
 
ForgottenUserName said:
Spicy 9mm? I think you mean Cop Killers.
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"vests are optional" was always a horrible line to me, as if every single crook you'd run into would be rocking that 9mm AP ammo. Imagine dying needlessly to some unmedicated boomer with a .45 because you assumed your vest wasn't going to catch any bullets at all, no matter where they're from.

HelpingNoone said:
I finally looked up what "dumdums" are today. Just hollowpoints...what a letdown.
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Yep, early, often improvised hollowpoint/softpoint style ammunition. Kinda works with high velocity rifles like .303 British, 7.92mm Mauser, .30-06 Springfield, etc, while being pointless at best with most handguns of that era (because making a good expanding projectile at low velocities like those is often difficult).

Only A Retard Sometimes said:
more specifically Dum Dums were rifle bullets that had the tip of the projectile cut off to expose the lead for expansion. they are much more similar to what are called soft points nowadays.
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There's also the stereotypical split cut or X cut tip.
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In this old German propaganda from WW1, we can see projectiles they are accusing the French of using. Plain turning the bullet around is another method, which the fourth one shows (I think), and then there's the third one, which appears to have material cut out around the middle, probably difficult to improvise in the field.
Given that these loads of 8mm Lebel used solid brass projectiles, I wonder just how well this would work.

All in all, modern factory made hollowpoints and softpoints are a million times better than these old improvised ones.
 
HumptiDouji said:
In this old German propaganda from WW1, we can see projectiles they are accusing the French of using. Plain turning the bullet around is another method, which the fourth one shows (I think), and then there's the third one, which appears to have material cut out around the middle, probably difficult to improvise in the field.
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I think the 4th one is part of the hollow-center variety. Unlike a modern hollow-point the hole in the middle goes in for at least a whole centimeter. It's pretty far through the bullet.

This is what a .303 British version looks like:
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