General GunTuber thread

[HelpingNoone]

TV, movies, and gun control groups were well ahead of video games with the misperception of armor piercing (cop killer) ammunition and body armor by about a decade. The V miniseries with its Teflon coated bullets being one of more rememberable examples.

I finally looked up what "dumdums" are today. Just hollowpoints...what a letdown.

 

[CyrusHowler]

https://youtu.be/ZzMIgWQNfDc

Paul Harrell might be a Boomer but he’s one of those cool Boomers.

 

[Only A Retard Sometimes]

I finally looked up what "dumdums" are today. Just hollowpoints...what a letdown.

more specifically Dum Dums were rifle bullets that had the tip of the projectile cut off to expose the lead for expansion. they are much more similar to what are called soft points nowadays.

 

[AGPinochet]

more specifically Dum Dums were rifle bullets that had the tip of the projectile cut off to expose the lead for expansion. they are much more similar to what are called soft points nowadays.
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Maybe someone in this thread can educate me because I have never found a clear answer to this question online. What is the point of soft point ammunition in these modern times? We've had good hollowpoints since the 70's with brands like Super Vel and now HST's and Gold Dots. Sure it's almost entire rifle projectiles but then again modern hollow points exist for them as well, tipped ones too even. So what's the point? sales to boomer fudds who want the bullets that look like the ones their grandpappies taught them to hunt with? Slightly less expensive? Niche use cases where you want expansion but not too much expansion (from what I understand soft points expand much less than hollow points, then again soft points are found near universally in rifle cartridges so expansion and loads of it is a given)

 

[likeacrackado]

Maybe someone in this thread can educate me because I have never found a clear answer to this question online. What is the point of soft point ammunition in these modern times? We've had good hollowpoints since the 70's with brands like Super Vel and now HST's and Gold Dots. Sure it's almost entire rifle projectiles but then again modern hollow points exist for them as well, tipped ones too even. So what's the point? sales to boomer fudds who want the bullets that look like the ones their grandpappies taught them to hunt with? Slightly less expensive? Niche use cases where you want expansion but not too much expansion (from what I understand soft points expand much less than hollow points, then again soft points are found near universally in rifle cartridges so expansion and loads of it is a given)

As far as cheap AK ammo goes, from what I've seen the soft point stuff expands more than the new steel case hollows coming out of the eastern bloc. For hunting its probably your last point where people feel hollowpoint will damage the meat too much or not penetrate enough.

 

[Mr. Confederate Man]

Maybe someone in this thread can educate me because I have never found a clear answer to this question online. What is the point of soft point ammunition in these modern times? We've had good hollowpoints since the 70's with brands like Super Vel and now HST's and Gold Dots. Sure it's almost entire rifle projectiles but then again modern hollow points exist for them as well, tipped ones too even. So what's the point? sales to boomer fudds who want the bullets that look like the ones their grandpappies taught them to hunt with? Slightly less expensive? Niche use cases where you want expansion but not too much expansion (from what I understand soft points expand much less than hollow points, then again soft points are found near universally in rifle cartridges so expansion and loads of it is a given)

From my experience, soft points are a mainstay of rifle hunting loads and they work fine. Less drag on the bullet at long ranges and all that and the older guys love the bullets with the plastic tip. Problem with them is that they're harder to find and more expensive. I've personally never heard of a hunter lamenting how hollow points ruin meat (then again, I avoid those conversations because I don't want gun talk to turn into spergings of brand loyalty and cartridge superiority). I've got a 150 or 170 soft-pointed .308 caliber projectile fired from a Winchester Model 60 into a deer that I shot. After I recovered it, it had expanded to roughly .60 caliber at its widest and left a trail of destruction that I'm sure a hollow point would do anyways so there's no difference in my book.

So in short, they work well enough most of the time so it's fine for the people that use them. For my hunting rifle, I load 220 grain round nose soft points because I may run into a bear and while overkill for a deer, it'd still kill it so whatever. I also handload it so it doesn't cost me much like buying boutique loads of 220 grain bullets would

 

[Uranus Pink]

It is mostly small game like squirrels, rabbits, birds and such where "ruining meat" is a real issue.

 

[HumptiDouji]

Spicy 9mm? I think you mean Cop Killers.

"vests are optional" was always a horrible line to me, as if every single crook you'd run into would be rocking that 9mm AP ammo. Imagine dying needlessly to some unmedicated boomer with a .45 because you assumed your vest wasn't going to catch any bullets at all, no matter where they're from.

I finally looked up what "dumdums" are today. Just hollowpoints...what a letdown.

Yep, early, often improvised hollowpoint/softpoint style ammunition. Kinda works with high velocity rifles like .303 British, 7.92mm Mauser, .30-06 Springfield, etc, while being pointless at best with most handguns of that era (because making a good expanding projectile at low velocities like those is often difficult).

more specifically Dum Dums were rifle bullets that had the tip of the projectile cut off to expose the lead for expansion. they are much more similar to what are called soft points nowadays.
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There's also the stereotypical split cut or X cut tip.

In this old German propaganda from WW1, we can see projectiles they are accusing the French of using. Plain turning the bullet around is another method, which the fourth one shows (I think), and then there's the third one, which appears to have material cut out around the middle, probably difficult to improvise in the field.
Given that these loads of 8mm Lebel used solid brass projectiles, I wonder just how well this would work.

All in all, modern factory made hollowpoints and softpoints are a million times better than these old improvised ones.

 

[Shaka Brah]

In this old German propaganda from WW1, we can see projectiles they are accusing the French of using. Plain turning the bullet around is another method, which the fourth one shows (I think), and then there's the third one, which appears to have material cut out around the middle, probably difficult to improvise in the field.

I think the 4th one is part of the hollow-center variety. Unlike a modern hollow-point the hole in the middle goes in for at least a whole centimeter. It's pretty far through the bullet.

This is what a .303 British version looks like:

 

[DocAwe]

Pretty wild that the manufacturer had the patience to basically reengineer the whole rifle.
And on top of it ultimately make two different reliable versions.
I think it's also rather impressive that the original German engineers basically met every requirement the army gave them.
Those 8mm Mauser rounds sure do hit that steel with authority.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

The Alien survives dirt and dust/sand with only a magazine failure during the latter. Not bad, but it makes it look so non-threatening that it's boring to watch.
It's an interesting concept to start with an unloaded chamber, but with the hypothetical case of it being a duty pistol it's realistic enough.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

The Alien survives dirt and dust/sand with only a magazine failure during the latter. Not bad, but it makes it look so non-threatening that it's boring to watch.
It's an interesting concept to start with an unloaded chamber, but with the hypothetical case of it being a duty pistol it's realistic enough.

Starting with a loaded chamber would be like allowing the pistol a handicap, so no surprises there.

But it's interesting that my previous observations seem to be holding up; in that it blows shit out of the pistol, the hammer/ignition design doesn't allow debris to pack into any well/recess/channels, and tolerances aren't so tight that a little grit will lock it up. Even the magazines working as well as they do is impressive.

Now I want to see a carbine done with the same design. That would be tits.

 

[TerminalTryHard]

Admin results traveled all the way to Syria to interview some Russian mercenaries.

 

[UVB-76]

then there's the third one, which appears to have material cut out around the middle, probably difficult to improvise in the field.

Kinda looks like someone went ham on it with some pliers.

 

[Antarctica]

It looks like Ian has an absolute dump truck of an ass in the thumbnail of the latest Forgotten Weapons video. He must be doing squats.

 

[CyrusHowler]

It looks like Ian has an absolute dump truck of an ass in the thumbnail of the latest Forgotten Weapons video. He must be doing squats.

Dude Ian has always had a dump truck of an ass.
He’s thiccer than a sniccer.

On another note, I forgot that Forgotten Weapons fans had bleed over from InRangeTV. The whole comment section is full of people making fun of the dude showing the rocket launcher to Ian. The dude is being polite to Ian and they think Ian is subtly making fun of him. They’re using the time stamp as an example of Ian making fun of the dude when Ian is probably just putting that there to skip to the shooting because it’s a fucking RPG.

Idk, it’s just annoying to see people acting so uppity.

 

[DocAwe]

That whole video is hilarious.
The back & fourth between them was great.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

On another note, I forgot that Forgotten Weapons fans had bleed over from InRangeTV. The whole comment section is full of people making fun of the dude showing the rocket launcher to Ian. The dude is being polite to Ian and they think Ian is subtly making fun of him. They’re using the time stamp as an example of Ian making fun of the dude when Ian is probably just putting that there to skip to the shooting because it’s a fucking RPG.

Idk, it’s just annoying to see people acting so uppity.

Karl's stans are salty & autistic; it doesn't surprise me they'd totally missread normal social cues, along with expecting/projecting the edgy snark they're used to seeing.

Those two were trying desperately not to trigger YouTube & the ATF's algorithms, if anything.

 

[SinistralRifleman]

Dude Ian has always had a dump truck of an ass.
He’s thiccer than a sniccer.

On another note, I forgot that Forgotten Weapons fans had bleed over from InRangeTV. The whole comment section is full of people making fun of the dude showing the rocket launcher to Ian. The dude is being polite to Ian and they think Ian is subtly making fun of him. They’re using the time stamp as an example of Ian making fun of the dude when Ian is probably just putting that there to skip to the shooting because it’s a fucking RPG.

Idk, it’s just annoying to see people acting so uppity.

I think you got this wrong. There’s a segment of Ian’s audience that is poorly socialized and puts him on a pedestal. They’re the same people that get mad if someone interrupts him on video or if someone disagrees with his opinion. So of course he must be talking down to the inferior company rep because he is all knowing in all things. It can’t just be banter between normal people.

 

[Antarctica]

Dude Ian has always had a dump truck of an ass.
He’s thiccer than a sniccer.

On another note, I forgot that Forgotten Weapons fans had bleed over from InRangeTV. The whole comment section is full of people making fun of the dude showing the rocket launcher to Ian. The dude is being polite to Ian and they think Ian is subtly making fun of him. They’re using the time stamp as an example of Ian making fun of the dude when Ian is probably just putting that there to skip to the shooting because it’s a fucking RPG.

Idk, it’s just annoying to see people acting so uppity.

He outta show that thing off more

Just Karl spergs being Karl spergs. The dude is probably just as knowledgeable on RPG's as Ian, (If not more so than Ian) otherwise he wouldn't be in that line of work.

Ian has a very confident demeanor when he talks to people, the commenters on youtube with room temperature IQ's usually interpret that as him being condescending or patronizing.