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[SinistralRifleman]

Karl has specifically said that lever guns can be used prone and the difficulty in using them prone is overstated/non-existent. He’s done more practical lever gun content than anyone. He won classic division at DB2020 using a lever gun including shooting it from the prone.


As for this thing about him claiming the gun would blow up with the forward assist blocked…can you find where he said that directly? Not a MAC video claiming he did. I asked him about this and his only memory of the subject at all was other people bringing it up on the P&S modcast.

 

[DocAwe]

Karl has specifically said that lever guns can be used prone and the difficulty in using them prone is overstated/non-existent. He’s done more practical lever gun content than anyone. He won classic division at DB2020 using a lever gun including shooting it from the prone.


As for this thing about him claiming the gun would blow up with the forward assist blocked…can you find where he said that directly? Not a MAC video claiming he did. I asked him about this and his only memory of the subject at all was other people bringing it up on the P&S modcast.

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I think this is the exact thing they are talking about that you mentioned already.
Most folks probably hear "catastrophic failure" and think "it dun blew up!".

 

[Uranus Pink]

I think this is the exact thing they are talking about that you mentioned already.
Most folks probably hear "catastrophic failure" and think "it dun blew up!".

In fairness to those "most folks" without context "catastrophic failure" is associated with gun blowing up and the user possibly injured.

 

[Only A Retard Sometimes]

The fault lies where I believe he is absolutely fucking stupid in terms of how things work "field wise." His video on drum mag reliability spouting about how they're atrocious when there have been great strides technologically to make them run better, and more consistently, to the point the Marines are testing them with the M27 IAR.

Pretty sure they soft endorsed the magpul drum in their original WWSD videos. IIRC they used it at tiger valley (?)

 

[ILikeForwardAssists]

Pretty sure they soft endorsed the magpul drum in their original WWSD videos. IIRC they used it at tiger valley (?)

Mobile fagging currently and for some reason the text edit options aren't working.

But Ian made a video directly stating drum mags are a bad idea. I mean, it's literally in the name.

Why Drum Magazines are a Bad Idea

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[Only A Retard Sometimes]

Karl did in fact use a drum on his M27 clone build.

 

[HumptiDouji]

Also those ice cream machines are actually pretty good, the issue is that they're an absolute bitch and a half to clean.

I say that this makes them not good, because this leaves me with a chocolate milkshake with strong hints of apple, banana, and strawberry, which they can fuck right off with.

ETA: there's testimony in the pinned comment that the FA breaks in such an event done by hand, so there's some seriously questionable shit about grenading a rifle with the push of a button.

I think it's more likely that if someone had their AR15 explode, it was because they had a squibload before or somehow had a .300 in their magazine, merely coinciding with them bracing awkwardly against a barrier.
The rifle isn't dependent on the BCG going through its cycle to not build up retard pressures, it has already dropped a lot by the time the bolt and carrier start moving.

Legit, I wouldn't be so adverse to the idea of a Polymer lower if the whole "Wuh-ate Reduction" shtick was dropped and the lowers be seen as a cheaper alternative to aluminum receiver.

I am still of the opinion that ounces make pounds, so again, if someone wants to build a particularly light rifle, something like the KP15 lower would be one option when choosing a lower, and one I think isn't without merit.

I was thinking about that during this whole debacle. There's just no term for it yet, but that's a damn close descriptor for spreading myths about the forward assist.

I want to say that we used to call people like those mallninjas.

At the same time, he can be wrong. Particularly in the case of the Forward assist. Though I do have to say I'm surprised he's not aware of the TECCOM trials.

As I said before, he's a good academic who has a bit of an ego because of his fame, but he's not a veteran soldier who has done tours of duty with with an M16, he has no long term practical experience putting the rifle in hard use in the field (and neither had Eugene Stoner).

For the TECCOM report, I would want to suggest mailing him a printed out copy of them or something, along with a (polite) letter about their source and context. Does he have a PO box or something?

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

I want to say that we used to call people like those mallninjas.

Mallninja was more the kind of guy who thought CoD was real life or those guys that thought airsoft was equivalent to military training. Read the writings of Gecko45 to see the quintesential essence of the Mallninja from the progenitor of the Mallninjas.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

As for this thing about him claiming the gun would blow up with the forward assist blocked…can you find where he said that directly?

Varying degrees of catastrophic failures include "blowing up", and in the Aero upper video he discussed "major components" breaking and rendering the gun inoperable. If "blowing up" is much too specific a statement, then we can certainly instead say he claimed it would cause a catastrophic failure based off a hypothetical situation that legitimately never happened.

Most folks probably hear "catastrophic failure" and think "it dun blew up!".

That is because a catastrophic failure is bad and breaks things in a catastrophic way - it's not an inconvenience, it's a kaboom.

 

[Smoke Manmuscle]

As I said before, he's a good academic who has a bit of an ego because of his fame, but he's not a veteran soldier who has done tours of duty with with an M16, he has no long term practical experience putting the rifle in hard use in the field (and neither had Eugene Stoner).

From experience the FA was absolutely great in the powder sand of Afghanistan. We generally ran our guns pretty damn dry and the FA was great in getting the first round chambered especially when doing brass checks when heading out. Once you fired, the gas system was pretty good at clearing the sand that had worked its way in. Any talk of the FA being evil is from people who have never had their rifle become a part of their body for the better part of a year.

Mallninja was more the kind of guy who thought CoD was real life or those guys that thought airsoft was equivalent to military training. Read the writings of Gecko45 to see the quintesential essence of the Mallninja from the progenitor of the Mallninjas.

Gecko45 - now there’s a blast from the past. Wonder what he’s guarding now?

 

[Still Anonymous For This]

From experience the FA was absolutely great in the powder sand of Afghanistan. We generally ran our guns pretty damn dry and the FA was great in getting the first round chambered especially when doing brass checks when heading out. Once you fired, the gas system was pretty good at clearing the sand that had worked its way in. Any talk of the FA being evil is from people who have never had their rifle become a part of their body for the better part of a year.

Gecko45 - now there’s a blast from the past. Wonder what he’s guarding now?

Hey, man, listen. I know you've got a lot of real-world experience running the AR platform in actual hostile environments where the smooth operation of your weapon can mean the difference between coming home or not, but Karl and SinistralRifleman jack their backs up throwing kettlebells around in Arizona in their LARP gear. Listen, you don't know the amount of experience they have firing 300 rounds in a day, going to Applebee's in their cammies, and then going home to wank off and clean their AR in their basement.

 

[ellroy]

I wanted to reply but the thought escaped my mind.

You can take a lot of what Ian says scholarly as fact, especially when it comes to his books as I am 90 percent sure some of them come from knowledge he's garnered from other people, particularly people who are less likely to be strictly biased like Karl.
At the same time, he can be wrong. Particularly in the case of the Forward assist. Though I do have to say I'm surprised he's not aware of the TECCOM trials.

The fault lies where I believe he is absolutely fucking stupid in terms of how things work "field wise." His video on drum mag reliability spouting about how they're atrocious when there have been great strides technologically to make them run better, and more consistently, to the point the Marines are testing them with the M27 IAR.

And if I remember CORRECTLY, they (As in Karl and Ian) even perpetrated the myth that you couldn't fire a lever-action while prone when there are a plethora of videos proving otherwise

I think the problem is when Ian loses objectivity and quotes fuddlore as fact, it's much harder to take his other videos seriously especially when he doesn't offer sources. How much is actual research backed by a source compared to hearsay? Even if he just had a list of citations in description of the video would lend some sense of scholarly credibility. Maybe his books are well researched but if he makes video just spouted off false information and never makes a follow up admitting he is wrong, it dilutes his brand. However, if other people get enjoyment from watching his videos, I'm certainly not going to fault them.

Hey, man, listen. I know you've got a lot of real-world experience running the AR platform in actual hostile environments where the smooth operation of your weapon can mean the difference between coming home or not, but Karl and SinistralRifleman jack their backs up throwing kettlebells around in Arizona in their LARP gear. Listen, you don't know the amount of experience they have firing 300 rounds in a day, going to Applebee's in their cammies, and then going home to wank off and clean their AR in their basement.

I never understood the kettlebell part. Why chuck a kettlebell constantly? What combat situation requires you to constantly chuck a weighted object forward and taking a few shots. Why not use a weighted crate that you have to carry forward to a new position, it could simulate an ammo crate of artillery munitions you carrying to a new position while under fire.

 

[HumptiDouji]

I think the kettlebell is to exhaust you to make the match more challenging.

 

[TerminalTryHard]

I think the kettlebell is to exhaust you to make the match more challenging.

It's this. It's just meant to elevate your heart rate and get you breathing a little harder while you're shooting.

You could throw a kettlebell, do some sprints, carry ammo crates, do burpees, the list really goes on and on.


Also if you fuck up your back throwing 40lb kettlebell that's on you.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

Also if you fuck up your back throwing 40lb kettlebell that's on you.

They've had that problem many times in the past, which is to be expected when putting people on the clock.

I actually like the idea, but people are dumb and you have to expect dumb things to happen.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Karl has specifically said that lever guns can be used prone and the difficulty in using them prone is overstated/non-existent. He’s done more practical lever gun content than anyone. He won classic division at DB2020 using a lever gun including shooting it from the prone.

Out of a field of 9?
I was wondering what everyone else was running in that division, classic manual.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Gecko45 - now there’s a blast from the past. Wonder what he’s guarding now?

Wherever he is there but for the grace of god go I.

 

[ILikeForwardAssists]

Karl did in fact use a drum on his M27 clone build.
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I guess they flipped on their beliefs of drums? Or it was just meant to look tacticool. Either way, it's simply better to ask than pull Columbo guess work.

I think the problem is when Ian loses objectivity and quotes fuddlore as fact, it's much harder to take his other videos seriously especially when he doesn't offer sources. How much is actual research backed by a source compared to hearsay? Even if he just had a list of citations in description of the video would lend some sense of scholarly credibility. Maybe his books are well researched but if he makes video just spouted off false information and never makes a follow up admitting he is wrong, it dilutes his brand. However, if other people get enjoyment from watching his videos, I'm certainly not going to fault them.

I believe the cause is due to at a certain point, when someone becomes learned well enough in an area of expertise, they will hear about a fault or a fact that is false, but accept it as truth because "It sounds about right." Not everyone falls into this trap, but I've seen people who are well respected in their communities make the same mistake

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

I believe the cause is due to at a certain point, when someone becomes learned well enough in an area of expertise, they will hear about a fault or a fact that is false, but accept it as truth because "It sounds about right." Not everyone falls into this trap, but I've seen people who are well respected in their communities make the same mistake

Normally there isn't anything wrong with that either, the issue is that you have to ensure that you inform people that what you're saying is your supposition and that they should do their own research so that they may be fully informed. Another thing that Paul Harrel does exceedingly well.

 

[Only A Retard Sometimes]

Normally there isn't anything wrong with that either, the issue is that you have to ensure that you inform people that what you're saying is your supposition and that they should do their own research so that they may be fully informed. Another thing that Paul Harrel does exceedingly well.

Harrell's teaching background really helps his videos.