General GunTuber thread

[Smoke Manmuscle]

As I said before, he's a good academic who has a bit of an ego because of his fame, but he's not a veteran soldier who has done tours of duty with with an M16, he has no long term practical experience putting the rifle in hard use in the field (and neither had Eugene Stoner).

From experience the FA was absolutely great in the powder sand of Afghanistan. We generally ran our guns pretty damn dry and the FA was great in getting the first round chambered especially when doing brass checks when heading out. Once you fired, the gas system was pretty good at clearing the sand that had worked its way in. Any talk of the FA being evil is from people who have never had their rifle become a part of their body for the better part of a year.

Mallninja was more the kind of guy who thought CoD was real life or those guys that thought airsoft was equivalent to military training. Read the writings of Gecko45 to see the quintesential essence of the Mallninja from the progenitor of the Mallninjas.

Gecko45 - now there’s a blast from the past. Wonder what he’s guarding now?

 

[Still Anonymous For This]

From experience the FA was absolutely great in the powder sand of Afghanistan. We generally ran our guns pretty damn dry and the FA was great in getting the first round chambered especially when doing brass checks when heading out. Once you fired, the gas system was pretty good at clearing the sand that had worked its way in. Any talk of the FA being evil is from people who have never had their rifle become a part of their body for the better part of a year.

Gecko45 - now there’s a blast from the past. Wonder what he’s guarding now?

Hey, man, listen. I know you've got a lot of real-world experience running the AR platform in actual hostile environments where the smooth operation of your weapon can mean the difference between coming home or not, but Karl and SinistralRifleman jack their backs up throwing kettlebells around in Arizona in their LARP gear. Listen, you don't know the amount of experience they have firing 300 rounds in a day, going to Applebee's in their cammies, and then going home to wank off and clean their AR in their basement.

 

[ellroy]

I wanted to reply but the thought escaped my mind.

You can take a lot of what Ian says scholarly as fact, especially when it comes to his books as I am 90 percent sure some of them come from knowledge he's garnered from other people, particularly people who are less likely to be strictly biased like Karl.
At the same time, he can be wrong. Particularly in the case of the Forward assist. Though I do have to say I'm surprised he's not aware of the TECCOM trials.

The fault lies where I believe he is absolutely fucking stupid in terms of how things work "field wise." His video on drum mag reliability spouting about how they're atrocious when there have been great strides technologically to make them run better, and more consistently, to the point the Marines are testing them with the M27 IAR.

And if I remember CORRECTLY, they (As in Karl and Ian) even perpetrated the myth that you couldn't fire a lever-action while prone when there are a plethora of videos proving otherwise

I think the problem is when Ian loses objectivity and quotes fuddlore as fact, it's much harder to take his other videos seriously especially when he doesn't offer sources. How much is actual research backed by a source compared to hearsay? Even if he just had a list of citations in description of the video would lend some sense of scholarly credibility. Maybe his books are well researched but if he makes video just spouted off false information and never makes a follow up admitting he is wrong, it dilutes his brand. However, if other people get enjoyment from watching his videos, I'm certainly not going to fault them.

Hey, man, listen. I know you've got a lot of real-world experience running the AR platform in actual hostile environments where the smooth operation of your weapon can mean the difference between coming home or not, but Karl and SinistralRifleman jack their backs up throwing kettlebells around in Arizona in their LARP gear. Listen, you don't know the amount of experience they have firing 300 rounds in a day, going to Applebee's in their cammies, and then going home to wank off and clean their AR in their basement.

I never understood the kettlebell part. Why chuck a kettlebell constantly? What combat situation requires you to constantly chuck a weighted object forward and taking a few shots. Why not use a weighted crate that you have to carry forward to a new position, it could simulate an ammo crate of artillery munitions you carrying to a new position while under fire.

 

[HumptiDouji]

I think the kettlebell is to exhaust you to make the match more challenging.

 

[TerminalTryHard]

I think the kettlebell is to exhaust you to make the match more challenging.

It's this. It's just meant to elevate your heart rate and get you breathing a little harder while you're shooting.

You could throw a kettlebell, do some sprints, carry ammo crates, do burpees, the list really goes on and on.


Also if you fuck up your back throwing 40lb kettlebell that's on you.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

Also if you fuck up your back throwing 40lb kettlebell that's on you.

They've had that problem many times in the past, which is to be expected when putting people on the clock.

I actually like the idea, but people are dumb and you have to expect dumb things to happen.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Karl has specifically said that lever guns can be used prone and the difficulty in using them prone is overstated/non-existent. He’s done more practical lever gun content than anyone. He won classic division at DB2020 using a lever gun including shooting it from the prone.

Out of a field of 9?
I was wondering what everyone else was running in that division, classic manual.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Gecko45 - now there’s a blast from the past. Wonder what he’s guarding now?

Wherever he is there but for the grace of god go I.

 

[ILikeForwardAssists]

Karl did in fact use a drum on his M27 clone build.
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I guess they flipped on their beliefs of drums? Or it was just meant to look tacticool. Either way, it's simply better to ask than pull Columbo guess work.

I think the problem is when Ian loses objectivity and quotes fuddlore as fact, it's much harder to take his other videos seriously especially when he doesn't offer sources. How much is actual research backed by a source compared to hearsay? Even if he just had a list of citations in description of the video would lend some sense of scholarly credibility. Maybe his books are well researched but if he makes video just spouted off false information and never makes a follow up admitting he is wrong, it dilutes his brand. However, if other people get enjoyment from watching his videos, I'm certainly not going to fault them.

I believe the cause is due to at a certain point, when someone becomes learned well enough in an area of expertise, they will hear about a fault or a fact that is false, but accept it as truth because "It sounds about right." Not everyone falls into this trap, but I've seen people who are well respected in their communities make the same mistake

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

I believe the cause is due to at a certain point, when someone becomes learned well enough in an area of expertise, they will hear about a fault or a fact that is false, but accept it as truth because "It sounds about right." Not everyone falls into this trap, but I've seen people who are well respected in their communities make the same mistake

Normally there isn't anything wrong with that either, the issue is that you have to ensure that you inform people that what you're saying is your supposition and that they should do their own research so that they may be fully informed. Another thing that Paul Harrel does exceedingly well.

 

[Only A Retard Sometimes]

Normally there isn't anything wrong with that either, the issue is that you have to ensure that you inform people that what you're saying is your supposition and that they should do their own research so that they may be fully informed. Another thing that Paul Harrel does exceedingly well.

Harrell's teaching background really helps his videos.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

The Detroit Urban Survival guys have been pretty prolific lately, and now even greasy brojacks like Cr1Tikal are laughing at them.

Harrell's teaching background really helps his videos.

I remember a lot more of his instruction than the actual information, which is both nostalgic and hilarious.

 

[White Devil]

While these Detroit guys aren't new, they're quickly going to become the next VODA

 

[SinistralRifleman]

They've had that problem many times in the past, which is to be expected when putting people on the clock.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=o87WAIIyzD8
I actually like the idea, but people are dumb and you have to expect dumb things to happen.

The problems we had were people throwing them sideways and straining muscles and in a couple cases dislocating shoulders.

Mandating the through the legs throw technique shown eliminated those injuries and we haven’t had any in 2 years.

Out of a field of 9?
I was wondering what everyone else was running in that division, classic manual.

Everyone that I saw was running bolt action rifles. Most people shoot iron sights badly. And they shoot manual guns even worse. Classic Manual is the hardest division to shoot and actually complete stages, and few people own the equipment so attendance in Classic Manual is always low.

He placed 92/203 shooters Overall that showed up, beating a large swathe of people using modern semi automatic firearms. https://practiscore.com/results/new/102644

Regarding magpul drums my experience is they initially work and start having problems after not much use.

I have had 3 and they all got to points where they couldn’t load more than 50, 46, and 32 rounds respectively.

In general they are cost/space ineffective other than the first magazine in the rifle.

For match purposes I’d rather use magpul 40 rounders with +6s on them from a reliability perspective. In general I prefer coupled 30s in Arredondo mag couplers. There’s always somewhere to reload on the move.

 

[TerminalTryHard]

The problems we had were people throwing them sideways and straining muscles and in a couple cases dislocating shoulders.

Mandating the through the legs throw technique shown eliminated those injuries and we haven’t had any in 2 years.

Yes proper biomechanics are always good to use, especially when dealing with people who and I don't mean to insult the IR/FW audience but aren't very athletic.

 

[SinistralRifleman]

Yes proper biomechanics are always good to use, especially when dealing with people who and I don't mean to insult the IR/FW audience but aren't very athletic.

One dislocated shoulder was an athletic guy doing sideways throws. It’s really easy to release slightly too late with one arm doing that.

I strained my arm the same year doing sideways throws running the stage 3 times. I now have a 72 pounder I do swings with at home that makes throwing the 36 or 50 pounder feel relatively easy.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

New Year, y'all. Let's make this one different.

Everyone that I saw was running bolt action rifles. Most people shoot iron sights badly. And they shoot manual guns even worse. Classic Manual is the hardest division to shoot and actually complete stages, and few people own the equipment so attendance in Classic Manual is always low.

He placed 92/203 shooters Overall that showed up, beating a large swathe of people using modern semi automatic firearms. https://practiscore.com/results/new/102644

I looked everywhere on those spreadsheets, but couldn't find any data fields for what individual shooters used. But I'm sure descriptions get pretty autistic as things get more competitive/modern, so I can see why it'd be omitted.

As far as Soviet irons go, I always had a bitch of a time until I got set up with these: aperture/peep Williams Fire-Sights.

At one point I lost the aperture on a range, and had to make-do with just the front post...... and found that's all I needed. As long as I kept the same cheek weld and put the dot on a target, I could still ring steel consistently out to where my eyesight fails.

So as an experiment, I tried the same on an AK; swapped the front post for the fiber optic, zeroed the rifle, then removed the rear ladder, and got the same result. As long as I kept the same cheek weld, which I helped maintain with a small strip of grippy tape on the stock; even after reverting back to the standard Soviet post.

In the end I found I can hit targets faster & reliably, as long as I ignore the rear notch & keep the indexing tape. But as soon as I try lining everything up on a target, my bad eyesight (even corrected) turns everything into visual soup.

 

[SinistralRifleman]

New Year, y'all. Let's make this one different.

I looked everywhere on those spreadsheets, but couldn't find any data fields for what individual shooters used. But I'm sure descriptions get pretty autistic as things get more competitive/modern, so I can see why it'd be omitted.

Only equipment divisions are documented, not each shooters set of equipment.

Range Officers just look for compliance with the equipment limitations.

In classic division the sights must be period as well, meaning no fiber optic sights. You can paint your front post if you want though.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

In classic division the sights must be period as well, meaning no fiber optic sights. You can paint your front post if you want though.

So no aperture/peep, even sans fiber-optic post?

In any case, that's what I ended up doing; painting the front post on everything with Combloc sights.

But I think the indexing tape has helped me more than anything, including the bolt-actions & pump-guns I've tried it on, because otherwise I don't have an AR charging handle to quickly index my face on.

 

[make_it_so]

Karl did in fact use a drum on his M27 clone build.
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That was more to demonstrate that the concept behind the M27 (squad support weapon that can take standard rifle mags if needed) wasn't really a new idea, having been done by the Soviets first with the RPK (which was first released with a drum magazine).

The Detroit Urban Survival guys have been pretty prolific lately, and now even greasy brojacks like Cr1Tikal are laughing at them.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=LrmN8s83RO4