General GunTuber thread

[Site of Origin]

When I was a teenager, Mosins and SKSes were on racks for $60.

Would love to have one of each. Pretty pricey for what they are these days, though.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Just checked Gunbroker, though. Some pretty spicy starting bids there, so I retract my statement. I now have no idea what I would get for a "historical" beater.

There really isn't any option anymore. The surplus has dried up completely, the parts kits are pretty much all gone and the ones you do find are expensive to the point where building them will cost more than just buying a rifle, and anything newer than 1945 is way too tacticool for most import laws to handle as well as the fact that once again all the available parts and guns have been hoovered up by old fuckers who either bought them new decades ago or who spent their corvette money on Cold War surplus.

 

[Shaka Brah]

When I was a teenager, Mosins and SKSes were on racks for $60.

They're still pretty cheap in Canada. Taking into account inflation and exchange rates you might get one there for around that price. But here in the US we're in an anti-Russia craze so fuck us I guess.

 

[make_it_so]

They're still pretty cheap in Canada. Taking into account inflation and exchange rates you might get one there for around that price. But here in the US we're in an anti-Russia craze so fuck us I guess.

Canada is probably still able to get them cheap because they don't have NORINCO sanctioned, so China can still export stuff to them.

 

[Corn Flakes]

Canada is probably still able to get them cheap because they don't have NORINCO sanctioned, so China can still export stuff to them.

Give it a couple more years. With the way things are going over there, we might see a full gun grab happening not too far in the future.

 

[Shaka Brah]

Canada is probably still able to get them cheap because they don't have NORINCO sanctioned, so China can still export stuff to them.

AFAIK they get the real Slavic shit too. I've heard of people getting some sweet deals on Russian made (basically banned to import into the USA now unless you got it from Africa or something) and satellite state weapons.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

I don't think the RTI guns will ever be truly collectible unless for a very specific niche. No one wants surplus rifles as a collector with African gobbledy gook markings.

Give it time, Carcanos used to be ignored by anyone not terminally autistic and over the pandemic they've become the new nugget in both that it was cheap and now it isn't - with the massive caveat of there not being good and accessible ammunition.

 

[waffle]

Give it time, Carcanos used to be ignored by anyone not terminally autistic and over the pandemic they've become the new nugget in both that it was cheap and now it isn't - with the massive caveat of there not being good and accessible ammunition.

That's what made the nugget and the SKS (and the late 80's/early 90's Chinese AK's) though, they were decent guns that you could get piles of blasting ammo for for basically nothing.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

That's what made the nugget and the SKS (and the late 80's/early 90's Chinese AK's) though, they were decent guns that you could get piles of blasting ammo for for basically nothing.

That is. But in our current climate you've also got a constant fear of missing out - FOMO as the kids abbreviate it - which is far superior to any sort of marketing. It inspires buying dumb shit that may or may not disappear in the next year or so regardless of practicality.

 

[wopirish]

FOMO

Don't fucking remind me about how PMM's have increased massively in price.

Walking around a gunshow really goes to show how much people want for random shit. 7.62 nagant revolver ammo? That'll be 50 bucks for 14 rounds.

Carcanos have always been a weird one to me as I can't really remember ever seeing ammo for them.

 

[Shaka Brah]

Carcanos have always been a weird one to me as I can't really remember ever seeing ammo for them.

It's always been rare in the US AFAIK, and most of it is worthless trash. A lot of the concern around the JFK assassination was that the rifles never worked and the ammo was crap. Even the hand-picked loads the feds gave their expert witness couldn't hit a target with the Carcano found at the scene. And that was back when the surplus was practically brand new.

I can't imagine how bad the ammo is now, unless it's handloaded. In which case... It might still be bad. I wouldn't buy handloads at a gun show.

 

[Only A Retard Sometimes]

It's always been rare in the US AFAIK, and most of it is worthless trash. A lot of the concern around the JFK assassination was that the rifles never worked and the ammo was crap. Even the hand-picked loads the feds gave their expert witness couldn't hit a target with the Carcano found at the scene. And that was back when the surplus was practically brand new.

I can't imagine how bad the ammo is now, unless it's handloaded. In which case... It might still be bad. I wouldn't buy handloads at a gun show.

Oswalds Carcano was in perfect operating condition and the ammunition was Winchester-western made for the US Govt Military aid programs. how oswald got the ammo is a mystery. IIRC all experts that tested the rifle got good accuracy but only some could fire as rapidly as oswald but this was likely because Oswald practiced with the rifle for hours and knew how to work the bolt fast.

 

[White Devil]

Oswalds Carcano was in perfect operating condition and the ammunition was Winchester-western made for the US Govt Military aid programs. how oswald got the ammo is a mystery. IIRC all experts that tested the rifle got good accuracy but only some could fire as rapidly as oswald but this was likely because Oswald practiced with the rifle for hours and knew how to work the bolt fast.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

It's always been rare in the US AFAIK, and most of it is worthless trash. A lot of the concern around the JFK assassination was that the rifles never worked and the ammo was crap. Even the hand-picked loads the feds gave their expert witness couldn't hit a target with the Carcano found at the scene. And that was back when the surplus was practically brand new.

I can't imagine how bad the ammo is now, unless it's handloaded. In which case... It might still be bad. I wouldn't buy handloads at a gun show.

One of the big issues with Carcanos (at least as far as I can remember) is that they used a weird sized bullet, it wasn't actually 6.5, it was some weird size that nobody made. Combined with the length of the bullet and the gain twist it took a while to make loads that actually worked right in the things, combined with the generally poor reputation of Italians in geneeral made it so that people never gave the Carcano the chance until people realized that the rifle itself is actually pretty good. But that took almost until the 2010s.

 

[Molly White's Breast Milk]

You think you have it bad with a 6.5 Carcano? Try sourcing 7.35mm. It wasn't until a few years ago that you could find new factory loaded ammo that wasn't once-in-a-decade Privi Partisan. Luckily my dad bought a ton of surplus 7.35 when he was a teenager or else I'd never be able to shoot it.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Honestly I think the next nugget may be the Arisaka, assuming that there are enough unsporterized Arisakas left to support a market.

 

[Only A Retard Sometimes]

Honestly I think the next nugget may be the Arisaka, assuming that there are enough unsporterized Arisakas left to support a market.

all the cheap arisakas at this point are the shittiest of the shit or training rifle pipe bombs.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

all the cheap arisakas at this point are the shittiest of the shit or training rifle pipe bombs.

And the ammo isn't the easiest to get either. Maybe calling it "the next nugget" isn't right, maybe "the next bubble" or "the next big grab" might be more accurate.

 

[Molly White's Breast Milk]

Honestly I think the next nugget may be the Arisaka, assuming that there are enough unsporterized Arisakas left to support a market.

That is until Ian rewrites his dad's book and then all his fanboys will buy every non-bubba'd Arisaka on gunbroker.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

That is until Ian rewrites his dad's book and then all his fanboys will buy every non-bubba'd Arisaka on gunbroker.

Yeah that is something that I can't wait for personally, especially all the guys who are gonna buy bubba'd Arisakas for six bills and then spend another six bills returning them to their as-issued state.