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Uranus Pink said:
80ies arcade shooters had started the reloading as a major game mechanic.
Though it was the normies getting their own home computers and Wolfenstein 3D coming out was where the FPS tardism really started. Doom just made the tardism a permanent affliction.
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I completely forgot that arcades were once a thing.
 
WhoBusTank69 said:
I do not like your attempt at comparing stress over scores to immediate fear of death, that's a massive false equivalency.


It is a different kind of stress, something more closer to conditioning when considering a buzzer as a signal with a list of predetermined steps and actions to be taken. I can see it replacing adaptation with habit and routine and tainting repertoire. A shoot house is more authentic for obvious reasons but still reinforces bad habits and breeds assumption based upon experiences of those who construct it.

This is silly, you are silly. The discussion started because of the off-hand remark that competition shooters would do well in combat. We do not know that, and the closest comparison is a competition shooter being blown the fuck out at an airsoft match of all places.
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The one time where competition shooting applied to direct combat was probably the case of Simo Häyhä. But take into context his role in battle: he engaged on his terms and in his time, advantages that some naive urban combatant in Kharkov will probably not possess.
 
I think it's safe to say a lot of people with combat experience do gaming because it's fun. I wouldn't say those same people apply the techniques used on a timed range for a game, in a real life scenario where your shots really do matter and you're under an extreme amount of stress. Some of my coworkers do the whole 3gun thing but I don't think I've ever heard any of them talk about it in any other context than that of a game.
 
Archie_Kimkicker said:
The one time where competition shooting applied to direct combat was probably the case of Simo Häyhä. But take into context his role in battle: he engaged on his terms and in his time, advantages that some naive urban combatant in Kharkov will probably not possess.
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Not only competitive success, but martial knowledge, acceptance of what must be done, and a willingness to do it.
From what we can see, IR and sober reconnaissance are few and far between so there may very well be room for more like Simo Häyhä.
 
Archie_Kimkicker said:
The one time where competition shooting applied to direct combat was probably the case of Simo Häyhä. But take into context his role in battle: he engaged on his terms and in his time, advantages that some naive urban combatant in Kharkov will probably not possess.
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Also to be completely fair to him and his culture, their form of competition shooting (biathlon skiing with riflery) is literally what his job was as a soldier. It's nothing like what we're used to, unless you're a winter olympian since they still do that.
 
WhoBusTank69 said:
Suomiboo Ian has marched into the political sphere by saying the noguns Europe is retarded,
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He's right and he should say it.

WinchesterPremium said:
We should clearly take shots at competition shooters with BB guns and water balloons filled with ammonia while they aim at the targets.

This adds real stress and audience participation. Gets them ready for combat and makes it more fun to watch!
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This but unironically. William Fairbairn would have guys screaming and throwing firecrackers at the guy on the range to stress him.
That's not teaching you about real combat, but that's still practicing for keeping your focus on shooting in a stressful and distracting environment.

Corn Flakes said:
Whether or not on-the-clock competition shooting helps (it doesn't)
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I wouldn't say that there's none, but there's definitely people who overestimate what they can actually gain from it.

White Devil said:
So I haven't been able to find an article in question but I did find this which raises good points :
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That's actually interesting to think about, and I do wonder if there would be ways to develop a more true combat-styled kind of run & gun sport. There would still be some practical limitations of course, but mainly I think it could just be fun. Focus on the rifle/carbine, and make the sidearm a separate stage entirely.

Sleazy Car Salesman said:
Boomershooters also typically didn't have reloading as a game mechanic except for very specific examples (the Super Shotgun from Doom comes to mind immediately).
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The Super Shotgun in Doom 2 is more like just an extended version of the regular shotgun's pumping animation, there's no magazine/chamber mechanics, and you can only fire both barrels.
Games like Duke Nukem 3D (1996), Blood (1997), and Shadow Warrior (1997), all featured reloading mechanics for some weapons where shots were tracked, interrupting the shooting with a reload animation, like every 12th shot with the pistol in DN3D, or being able to fire one or both barrels with the shotgun in Blood.

Then you had Half-Life in 1998, which actually tracked rounds in your magazine, allowing you to manually trigger a tactical reload even if partially loaded, the same went for Goldeneye 007 (1997), and Team Fortress Classic (1999).

Also "boomer shooter" as a phrase reeks of cheap corporate guerilla/influencer marketing and makes me dryheave.
 
White Devil said:
And I still can't find an article about those supposed cops that dropped mags and got shot. It's what an old Sgt told me a few years ago so it's 50/50 bullshit or true, it can be hard to tell sometimes considering everywhere has different training standards.
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The California Highway Patrol "Newhall Incident" was such a shitshow that officer training with revolvers banned the practice of pocketing brass due to the belief that officers being used to it at the range caused them to get slowed down during a real shooting. However not a single officer was found with brass in their pockets and witnesses said that they dumped the empty shells on the ground during reloads.
Just to show how easily bullshit can become lore. It's extremely easy for something retarded like the shooter accidently hitting the mag release and dropping a mag in a gunfight for a totally unrelated instructor to get the blame when there isn't a proper AAR describing the events.
 
HumptiDouji said:
That's actually interesting to think about, and I do wonder if there would be ways to develop a more true combat-styled kind of run & gun sport. There would still be some practical limitations of course, but mainly I think it could just be fun. Focus on the rifle/carbine, and make the sidearm a separate stage entirely.
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Militaries, Fed and SWATish LEOs, and the other licensed operators have a few of those you want. But for Joe Blow without connections or that kind of money they're shit out luck getting into them or having a civie version of them.
 
HumptiDouji said:
Also "boomer shooter" as a phrase reeks of cheap corporate guerilla/influencer marketing and makes me dryheave.
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I won't disagree with that one but the recent revival of that style of shooter has lead to that term being the most commonly accepted term for that subgenre of FPS so I use it to avoid confusion.
 
wopirish said:
There was a shootout in Houston I think last week? One of the cops has in his bodycam him dropping a full mag from his pistol and then moved to cover. He ran out of ammo and left cover to go get the mostly full mag he dropped.
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That guy was gripping his gun too hard.
 
wopirish said:
There was a shootout in Houston I think last week? One of the cops has in his bodycam him dropping a full mag from his pistol and then moved to cover. He ran out of ammo and left cover to go get the mostly full mag he dropped.
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Fucking up reloads is pretty common in police shootouts, and probably most shoot outs really. I remember seeing one where the cop forgets to drop the mag in the gun and tries like three times to insert the new mag into the gun before realizing the problem and dropping the empty mag. Granted this cop had already been hit the arm with a shot gun blast at near point blank range so it's very understandable.
 
So apparently Donut Operator is trading his current car (which he once called his "dream car") in for an electrical car and is getting crap for doing so. He's also got snot in his facial hair and is going super full homeless guy look in his latest videos, as far as completely giving up on his looks it appears.

Also, Administrative Results is teasing another LARP News Network video on Instagram.

(Which reminds me; anyone got a link to the original Sergai/Mercenary video which was released under AR's original name?)
 
TerminalTryHard said:
I remember seeing one where the cop forgets to drop the mag in the gun and tries like three times to insert the new mag into the gun before realizing the problem and dropping the empty mag. Granted this cop had already been hit the arm with a shot gun blast at near point blank range so it's very understandable.
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link?
 
MirrorNoir said:
So apparently Donut Operator is trading his current car (which he once called his "dream car") in for an electrical car and is getting crap for doing so. He's also got snot in his facial hair and is going super full homeless guy look in his latest videos, as far as completely giving up on his looks it appears.
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He's gone full-on inner city vagrant, the only thing missing is recording in a shantytown.
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