General GunTuber thread

[Trig.Point]

I missed the initial post, but it seems Karl is so very close to understanding what he's been sowing.
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I don't want to be a dick about this, but the war in Ukraine is a large scale convntional conflict fought with relatively modern well equipped Armies. A tiny percentage of casualities on either side will be from small arms.

The British did a study in WWII that found something like 80% of their casualties came from Artillery, with the balance lagely accounted for by other crew served weapons such as Tripod mounted machine guns. Also there were land mines. Often the most effective weapon system the individual soldier could bring to bear was the Hand Grenade, not a rifle.

 

[Corn Flakes]

I don't want to be a dick about this, but the war in Ukraine is a large scale convntional conflict fought with relatively modern well equipped Armies. A tiny percentage of casualities on either side will be from small arms.

The British did a study in WWII that found something like 80% of their casualties came from Artillery, with the balance lagely accounted for by other crew served weapons such as Tripod mounted machine guns. Also there were land mines. Often the most effective weapon system the individual soldier could bring to bear was the Hand Grenade, not a rifle.

Fine by me, I'd love to legally own an Anti-Tank Guided Missile launcher as well as as many machineguns as I could afford.

 

[Trig.Point]

Fine by me, I'd love to legally own an Anti-Tank Guided Missile launcher as well as as many machineguns as I could afford.

The British Army were notorious for using Javelins against individual Taliban in Afghanistan. At the beginging of a tour some regiments taking over an AO would go through a phase of wanting to 'save taxpayer money' but usually they'd work it out of their system after a few weeks.

It was so effective that the Army bought Israeli Spike long range Anti Tank missiles, and started firing shed loads of them as well. Though they never publicised it because they thought it might cause grief back home that Israeli weapons were being used to kill muslims.

 

[Shaka Brah]

I don't want to be a dick about this, but the war in Ukraine is a large scale convntional conflict fought with relatively modern well equipped Armies. A tiny percentage of casualities on either side will be from small arms.

The British did a study in WWII that found something like 80% of their casualties came from Artillery, with the balance lagely accounted for by other crew served weapons such as Tripod mounted machine guns. Also there were land mines. Often the most effective weapon system the individual soldier could bring to bear was the Hand Grenade, not a rifle.

You make a good argument for repealing the tax stamp on Destructive Devices.

 

[wopirish]

The British Army were notorious for using Javelins against individual Taliban in Afghanistan. At the beginging of a tour some regiments taking over an AO would go through a phase of wanting to 'save taxpayer money' but usually they'd work it out of their system after a few weeks.

It was so effective that the Army bought Israeli Spike long range Anti Tank missiles, and started firing shed loads of them as well. Though they never publicised it because they thought it might cause grief back home that Israeli weapons were being used to kill muslims.

To be fair, whats cheaper; the one javelin/spike orrrrrr,,,

Thousands of rounds of ammo and an airstrike?

 

[Corn Flakes]

The British Army were notorious for using Javelins against individual Taliban in Afghanistan. At the beginging of a tour some regiments taking over an AO would go through a phase of wanting to 'save taxpayer money' but usually they'd work it out of their system after a few weeks.

It was so effective that the Army bought Israeli Spike long range Anti Tank missiles, and started firing shed loads of them as well. Though they never publicised it because they thought it might cause grief back home that Israeli weapons were being used to kill muslims.

Man, after reading this I don't even want missiles with a proper warhead. I just want to see how hard someone can style on everybody else on the range by hitting a bullseye at 500 yards with a goddamn guided missile.

 

[Blasterisk]

Man, after reading this I don't even want missiles with a proper warhead. I just want to see how hard someone can style on everybody else on the range by hitting a bullseye at 500 yards with a goddamn guided missile.

I want a Javelin with a boxing glove on the end for the people I only kinda don't like.

 

[Ghjkl63]

Man, after reading this I don't even want missiles with a proper warhead. I just want to see how hard someone can style on everybody else on the range by hitting a bullseye at 500 yards with a goddamn guided missile.

I just want a recreational Airtronic RPG

 

[UVB-76]

Jesus, I don't mean to hate but Brandon needs to hire an engineer to finish this shit.

Since the last update he's introduced helical locking lugs and it's just at a 3d printed stage so he's still going to need to have the fucker machined out of steel.
Expect another 6-9 months for a test fire video, then 6-9 months later he's moving on to the 3d printed v4.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Jesus, I don't mean to hate but Brandon needs to hire an engineer to finish this shit.

Since the last update he's introduced helical locking lugs and it's just at a 3d printed stage so he's still going to need to have the fucker machined out of steel.
Expect another 6-9 months for a test fire video, then 6-9 months later he's moving on to the 3d printed v4.

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

It took Barrett a tiny amount of time to go from being a photographer to building one of the world's foremost .50 BMG rifles from scratch during a time period when purpose built .50 BMG rifles were a rarity. Brandon needs to stop swilling White Claws and fucking around, but then again the AK50 is his channel's money earner so just like a government contractor it serves his purpose to keep it in development hell.

 

[Lupo Akane]

So............
If he ever and I mean ever gets the AK50 ready to sell, how long do you think it will be before he is getting sued cause he is taking peoples money and not delivering these things?

 

[White Devil]

So............
If he ever and I mean ever gets the AK50 ready to sell, how long do you think it will be before he is getting sued cause he is taking peoples money and not delivering these things?

Considering how well his AKG line of AKs went, probably within a month. He had to have Lee Armory bail him out.

 

[TerminalTryHard]

So............
If he ever and I mean ever gets the AK50 ready to sell, how long do you think it will be before he is getting sued cause he is taking peoples money and not delivering these things?

I don't think he plans to sell them, at this point it's just a meme project his autistic fanbase bullies him into continuing at this point.

 

[UVB-76]

the AK50 is his channel's money

That's why I can't hate, because he's not "The AK Guy" - he's a full time youtuber playing a character who's convinced he's the hybrid of FPS Russia and Nic Cage in Lord of War. And with the meme review stuff he probably captured the attention of a ton of zoomers we need on our side.
But goddamn with every update it seems he hasn't unfucked his manufacturing capabilities and needs to pay out the ass to have his one off prototypes machined somewhere else.
It's kind of disappointing to see but a ton of people, both self-taught and formally educated, are stuck in this CAD -> 3d print -> CNC machining loop. When you have to machine one off fuck huge chunks of 4140/4150 steel and you're not blessed with a company's R&D budget, iterative design gets expensive fast.
In the old days, prototypes got frankensteined. If a change was needed, they'd put the part on a manual mill (or straight up go at it with a hand file), drill, tap, then bolt a new chunk into it. It's not going to need to last more than a hundred rounds anyway. He said the v2 prototype was close to three digits in round count. So he probably spent thousands on a prototype just to shoot 90 rounds and start over again.
His shop must have at least a compressor. How come he's never thought about rigging a hammer valve like the ones used on airguns to blast the piston with air so he can mimic the semi-automatic cycle without having to finish a prototype and shoot a real 50 BMG round?

I don't think he plans to sell them, at this point it's just a meme project his autistic fanbase bullies him into continuing at this point.

I actually think he wants to finish it, but he can't manage a project to save his life and it gets in the way of sipping White Claws with his youtube buddies.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

In the old days, prototypes got frankensteined. If a change was needed, they'd put the part on a manual mill (or straight up go at it with a hand file), drill, tap, then bolt a new chunk into it. It's not going to need to last more than a hundred rounds anyway. He said the v2 prototype was close to three digits in round count. So he probably spent thousands on a prototype just to shoot 90 rounds and start over again.

This is the kind of thing that I'm talking about though, and it's what separates the mechanically inclined and experienced from those who aren't.

His shop must have at least a compressor. How come he's never thought about rigging a hammer valve like the ones used on airguns to blast the piston with air so he can mimic the semi-automatic cycle without having to finish a prototype and shoot a real 50 BMG round?

Case in point.

 

[HelpingNoone]

This is the kind of thing that I'm talking about though, and it's what separates the mechanically inclined and experienced from those who aren't.

Reminds me of Hudson...Some gun guy hears about metal SLS and thinks he's gonna revolutionize the prototype process.

Ians video with the first prototype is laughably un-manufacturable. Literally a 5 second look from anyone who's been around a machine tool could tell you how retarded the integral round locking lugs are.

Each iteration took another person with more experience than the last to unfuck the previous one.

How you could also run a business so poorly is also quite a feat.

 

[Corn Flakes]

I think you guys are putting far too much stock on the AK-50 being anything other than a passion project that got out of hand because everybody latched on to it as a meme. He intends to sell it, but he's not on any kind of deadline for it so he's definitely not hurrying along. It has no bearing on his business beyond being a dumb drain on resources (keep reading). It's also not the main source of content for his channel, and he clearly wishes people demanded less of it. The meat and potatoes of his channel are the meme reviews (which have somehow turned into a news show as told by meme) and cursed gun images, those are what made him explode in popularity and they're the ones that get the most sponsorships for him. The AK-50 updates are more like the "look at this cool new gun I got!" videos: good engagement but sporadic.

His problem is that he doesn't actually have proper machining hardware at his shop. He's got presses and other gunsmithing equipment, but very little he can use to make repeatable parts from scratch. That shit is expensive and I'm not sure anyone on his crew is good enough at it to actually make use of a professional lathe and mill set-up. Plus they're all zoomers so they'd probably want to go CNC with it and make it even more expensive. These updates take so long because the idiot is contracting some other shop somewhere else to charge him 4 digits for something he could do with bar stock and a mill. I'm sure if he had just invested that money on equipment instead he'd be able to do all that shit in-house by now.

 

[White Devil]

I think the AK50 was something that he wanted to do at first but then he realized he bit off way more than he could chew and just relegated it to the background with token effort while he does dumb meme shit for a dumber audience.

 

[HumptiDouji]

Reminds me of Hudson...Some gun guy hears about metal SLS and thinks he's gonna revolutionize the prototype process.

Ians video with the first prototype is laughably un-manufacturable. Literally a 5 second look from anyone who's been around a machine tool could tell you how retarded the integral round locking lugs are.

Machinelet here, can you elaborate on this part? What was he doing and why didn't it work?

 

[Lupo Akane]

I think you guys are putting far too much stock on the AK-50 being anything other than a passion project that got out of hand because everybody latched on to it as a meme. He intends to sell it, but he's not on any kind of deadline for it so he's definitely not hurrying along. It has no bearing on his business beyond being a dumb drain on resources (keep reading). It's also not the main source of content for his channel, and he clearly wishes people demanded less of it. The meat and potatoes of his channel are the meme reviews (which have somehow turned into a news show as told by meme) and cursed gun images, those are what made him explode in popularity and they're the ones that get the most sponsorships for him. The AK-50 updates are more like the "look at this cool new gun I got!" videos: good engagement but sporadic.

His problem is that he doesn't actually have proper machining hardware at his shop. He's got presses and other gunsmithing equipment, but very little he can use to make repeatable parts from scratch. That shit is expensive and I'm not sure anyone on his crew is good enough at it to actually make use of a professional lathe and mill set-up. Plus they're all zoomers so they'd probably want to go CNC with it and make it even more expensive. These updates take so long because the idiot is contracting some other shop somewhere else to charge him 4 digits for something he could do with bar stock and a mill. I'm sure if he had just invested that money on equipment instead he'd be able to do all that shit in-house by now.

I know it's noting more then away to get money from his YouTube channel. It's never going to be done, I just like to think of the what if's and what not's.