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You have far more time to argue in autistic detail about rifles that you’re never going to purchase than I have time to go through point by point and explain and argue with you.

Build a successful YouTube channel.
Get 500,000 subs.
Spec out the Full Spectrum Autism rifle.
Generate 1,000 pre-orders
We’ll build whatever you spec out as long as it can actually be done.
We can even do a limited edition puzzle piece Multicam Cerakote for the first 100 buyers.

And then in 2037 some other person with too much time on their hands can argue with you about how it’s just a copy of some gun some dude did in 2022.
Ah yes a deflection to commercial appeal and social media likes, I didn't know you could be such a modernist hypebeast. Wasn't my point about the WWSD rifle conspiracy is that it's more of a commercial cash grab masterminded by you than it is about doing what Stoner would actually do? Maybe you could stay a little focused on my argument as this "Autism" is simply the sort of engineering involved with actually designing a rifle from the ground up (like what Stoner would do) rather than being a notorious AR-15 "gunsmith" cobbling commercially oriented parts together only to find they are sub-par to a basic bitch Colt 6920 in terms of gas regulation. Why don't you ask your techs/engineers at KE arms how they came to the SLT's hammer spring strength, what testing regimen they used, and how it compares to the milspec hammer spring and get back to me if they have a similar level of autism in making a product? Don't worry though, I already have a 2017 WWSD mostly piecemealed together from years ago and getting a 2020 for testing to prove my points in all of this is a trivial cost to me and was already planned so look forward to that in addition to the current testing program I current have arranged for in the works as we speak.

More importantly I would have a little humility with claims to my own rifles, as to what their significance is, reference actual history, military standards, and my own scientific testing. You can see in my first video how I specifically reference SOCOM's mk18 presentation on extractor tension and that I copy them exactly on my rifle, not that I am doing anything original or of unique commercial interest. More importantly I'm simply looking to have a properly tuned AR-15 and demonstrating the science behind it rather than trying to make a commercial market "ready to settle down" gas port size. Funny enough, even BA barrels are overgassed compared to milspec last time I emailed them for their spec some time ago. Turns out nearly all the popular low price barrel manufacturers are overwhelmingly porting their rifles for anemic Russian steel case ammo instead of trying to make the entire barrel to military specification. With how much people shit talk the army for ball powder like Ian and Karl (watch my first video on the subject to understand why the Army was right about it) you'd think they would also similarly be just as concerned with overgassing their own rifles that they actually own and use, but it appears to be a merely hypocritical stance by people ignorant of the actual history and the actual science/understanding of the rifle. This is also why Karl does not understand that Kyle Rittenhouse really did need his forward assist and the implications of pulling the charging handle on a push feed gun is more likely going to cause a doublefeed when beginning from a standard failure to feed (see my second video.)

As for making a midlength 14.5"-16" carbine. What are you going to do that outperforms a basic milspec such as USASOC's URGI? How would you even know what you're doing with your rifle is even better? What standards and specifications would you use? How would you demonstrate it? It seems that you guys didn't even spec a gas port size for your contracted barrels much in the same way Colt or the Army didn't receive a specified port pressure from Stoner. This is what it means to demonstrably make a good rifle that will not encounter trouble similarly as the original M16 did. This is why the M16/M4 is reliable now with the current TDP. When you deviate from the TDP you either have to get lucky, hope commerical manufacturers aren't going to shortcut you (like faxon does with their gassing), or test it for yourself. To prove it you need to demonstrate it.

As an example: Why does the exterior chrome plating on a BCG do anything for a rifle? Why does ease of cleaning have any benefit for a milsepc or superior gun? People have actually been able to explain that there is an advantage to this beyond mere reliability or cosmetic concerns. Of course you two spend 16 minutes talking about how easy it is to clean and only a 30 seconds or so about the intended engineering improvements beyond a basic milspec and actual military contract BCG you can buy for $100.
 
Funny enough, even BA barrels are overgassed compared to milspec last time I emailed them for their spec some time ago. Turns out nearly all the popular low price barrel manufacturers are overwhelmingly porting their rifles for anemic Russian steel case ammo instead of trying to make the entire barrel to military specification.
And now goodbye Russian ammo :story: they better hope the Marshall plan for Ukraine involves forcing them to pump out cat sneeze steel case .223
With how much people shit talk the army for ball powder like Ian and Karl (watch my first video on the subject to understand why the Army was right about it) you'd think they would also similarly be just as concerned with overgassing their own rifles that they actually own and use
The internet told me that if it can't handle the steel it doesn't deserve the brass.
Brought to you by the same people who figured out tampons can be used to plug bullet holes.
 
I think his point is he won't pass his build off as novel or meme Stoner. If anything, this guy would be good to have a conversation with in a non-adversarial setting given his autistic knowledge and differing opinion.


This also brings in the issue of people conflating Youtube subscribers with correctness. Touting subscriber clout is something people would normally see in the Beauty Salon.

Why the project was called What Would Stoner Do? has been explained at length. It’s a question that was answered over the course of dozens of videos. The InRange audience bought up the products discussed, and Brownells eventually approached InRange turning it into a turn key commercial product.
The people mad about the name of the project fall into 3 categories.

1) people who think it always was a commercial project and don’t care about the back story of it as thought exercise.
2) people indignant at the invocation of the Stoner name, while not equally applying that indignant to all the other stuff in the AR industry called Stoner something.
3) people who are mad they didn’t think to do it first.

So after 2-3 years of videos of it as a thought exercise they should have changed the name when it got turned into a commercial project? That’d be a great way to lose all marketing inertia.

Subscriber count isn’t a matter of correctness. It’s a matter of wielding enough influence to make something commercially viable. Be correct. Have the best product that can possibly be made. And you can still fail if it isn’t promoted correctly to the right audience.
 
Why the project was called What Would Stoner Do? has been explained at length. It’s a question that was answered over the course of dozens of videos. The InRange audience bought up the products discussed, and Brownells eventually approached InRange turning it into a turn key commercial product.
The people mad about the name of the project fall into 3 categories.

1) people who think it always was a commercial project and don’t care about the back story of it as thought exercise.
2) people indignant at the invocation of the Stoner name, while not equally applying that indignant to all the other stuff in the AR industry called Stoner something.
3) people who are mad they didn’t think to do it first.

So after 2-3 years of videos of it as a thought exercise they should have changed the name when it got turned into a commercial project? That’d be a great way to lose all marketing inertia.

Subscriber count isn’t a matter of correctness. It’s a matter of wielding enough influence to make something commercially viable. Be correct. Have the best product that can possibly be made. And you can still fail if it isn’t promoted correctly to the right audience.
1) I literally first asked about the back story and you've refused to answer given the litigation going on. I, with such a pointed and elevated interest in the origin, was accused by you of being an agent of GWACs, so obviously I would not fall into this category. Karl and Ian have never specifically talked about the particulars of the origins in any useful level of detail (probably a good thing for Russel.) Why didn't you simply refer me to their other videos then?
2) I think it would be hard to find someone who disagrees with Stoner as a "designer" on the AR-15 more than I have.
3) I am not interested in shilling meme rifles. I'm much more satisfied with the nature of my current profession than reducing myself to pay shills or be a shill for firearms.

The actual specific intent has always been nebulously defined over the course of the WWSD project. It's been said to be "what stoner would do with modern materials" at one time and "a modern colt SP-1" at another for instance. Full auto design benefits and suppressor use are not "applicable" to the WWSD project per the 2020 BCG video and 2017 pinned flash hider. This calls into question the very nature of what Stoner always did (design full auto capable guns for the military who now use suppressors) against the intent of this rifle.
 
All this talk and sperging about stolen ideas this and not what stoner would do that! I just want a dummy light meme AR for God's sake!
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If the WWSD is selling so well why haven't you paid to have IraqVeteran8888 or Demolition Ranch to shill it? IV8888 only charges $4000 for a one time video.
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Really can't see Demo Ranch making an entertaining video about a plastic AR unless it's "How many .50 cal rounds can it take before it stops working"
 
He paid leviathan tribe for TFBTV to shill it twice instead.
Oh fuck, I forgot about Leviathan! I'd want to see GarandThumb do a freeze test on it.
Really can't see Demo Ranch making an entertaining video about a plastic AR unless it's "How many .50 cal rounds can it take before it stops working"
He'd do a video about shooting something ridiculously messy and be like "Oh look at this new gun I just got!".
 
All this talk and sperging about stolen ideas this and not what stoner would do that! I just want a dummy light meme AR for God's sake!
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Given the history of firearms design in the US, spergs being spergy and egotistical shysters trying to make money, all this retardation shouldn't be surprising. At least a hundred years ago we had actual advancement in firearms design instead of just shilling lego builds.
 
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