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I get the impression there’s a lot of drama in this 3D printed gun community space. Like more than in the normal gun community at large.

Am I off base here? If not is there a particular reason for it?
 
I get the impression there’s a lot of drama in this 3D printed gun community space. Like more than in the normal gun community at large.

Am I off base here? If not is there a particular reason for it?
Trannies, commies, tranny commies, and autists.

There are some absolutely sound guys doing 3D printed firearms stuff (RIP JStark) from what I would consider the correct motivations (can't stop the signal, in the spirit of Philip Luty) but theres also a lot of people looking for autistic personal glory like derwood.

And then you have the mentally ill men in frocks who are convinced they need 3d printed guns to bash the fash because White Nationalists are going to come for them any day now to take away their right to late-term abort black babies from their theoretically transplanted wombs. They need 3d printing because they spent their gun fund on DSA merch, bathtub oestrogen and ugly flags. Fuckers are worse for flags than Ulstermen, and absolute drama queens.
 
Am I off base here? If not is there a particular reason for it?
I left the community last year but I doubt it has changed too much.
There are a few 3D print gun groups that seem to care more about the attention and selling swag with their logos on it. AWCY is the worst offender.
They seem to focus more on making memey videos and posts on social media than actually getting the designs out and open to collaboration. They teased the CETME C printed receiver but didn't release it for over 6 months. They may still not have an official release. They also released an under barrel grenade launcher but didn't properly beta test it(their testing is fairly closed) before releasing so it had problems and was unsafe. Someone else in the community had to fix it and I think that pissed off the group. Someone prominent in the community also released his own CETME receiver in response to AWCY not releasing theirs and it seems to have upset them as well. I think their expectation is to be the mysterious cool kids in the 3D printing community where everyone hangs on their every post, waiting for a release.
Modifying designs without attribution causes drama. Ctrl-Pew's rocket chat instance is pretty strict on what you can discuss in each channel. It's strictly business.
One designer is a depressed alcoholic living in Ukraine who supposedly left the US to fight in Donbas in 2014 with the hopes Russia would assist the fighters there and recognize the area's independence. Turns out Russia basically took over and, I think, killed some of his friends who outlasted their usefulness. I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't putting anything out given the war.
Aside from that, most designers are cool except for the people who withhold designs.
The printers can be completely retarded. The SRA/John Brown 3D gun printers are larpy faggots who want attention. Also furries. Lots of furries. A consistent observation between the different chats/communities is that "lefty" members start drama and make it about an aesthetic.

Basically what the guy above said.
 
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Trannies, commies, tranny commies, and autists.

There are some absolutely sound guys doing 3D printed firearms stuff (RIP JStark) from what I would consider the correct motivations (can't stop the signal, in the spirit of Philip Luty) but theres also a lot of people looking for autistic personal glory like derwood.

And then you have the mentally ill men in frocks who are convinced they need 3d printed guns to bash the fash because White Nationalists are going to come for them any day now to take away their right to late-term abort black babies from their theoretically transplanted wombs. They need 3d printing because they spent their gun fund on DSA merch, bathtub oestrogen and ugly flags. Fuckers are worse for flags than Ulstermen, and absolute drama queens.

You completely danced over the tranny commie autists!
 
On how the 3d printed community is a natural magnet for drama: I already posted this speech but the relevant part is 18:30 to 22:10. Cody Wilson brings up the example of Atlas Arms, which started off as a neat project but has ground down to a halt and Austin Jones now seems to be permanently assmad about Cody Wilson taking all the spotlight. Cody hasn't done anything to harm Atlas Arms except being famous, and just like every black rifle is an AR15 to a journalist and every pistol is a Glock, all 3d printed gun developments get them talking about Cody Wilson. There's literally no reason for the drama but Jones is too focused on making sure everyone knows he's got the punk cred and Wilson is a sellout who betrayed the cause.
AWCY is the worst offender. They seem to focus more on making memey videos and posts on social media
The best part is how shit their videos are. They can't even enforce any kind of cinematography standards so you see vertical phone footage mixed with 16:9 ratio footage.
I wouldn't criticize shit videos if the purpose was just informing people of releases through trailers, but these people really went out and picked the name of a fictional Banksy-style art group that uses SCPs in the work (as if a normal Banksy isn't insufferable enough) and then they have zero fucking artistic sensibility. Deterrence Dispensed trailers look like kino in comparison.
 
Magnets have been talked about for a long time for making a simple blowback design a delayed blowback design. The problem is, as I understand it, that the physics just doesn't support it. Apparently the magnets just aren't strong enough to be useful, while staying under the weight of a conventionally designed mechanically delay blowback system.

Magnets are one of those things that have a certain allure to autists and the scammer's mark. I just don't want people fall for some snake oil routine before this new device is actually vetted. It wouldn't be the first time a useless marketing gimmick has been shilled as revolutionary.

If the guy has succeeded in getting special performance capabilities out of his magnetized design, then great. Perhaps he will have worked some real voodoo that will revolutionize the gun industry. But until then: Caveat emptor.
I want to say mythbusters tried playing around with magnets to see if they could get bullets to move. And they didn't move at all. I seem to recall the issue was the amount of force needed to be exerted to actually alter the bullet's flight path couldn't be provided fast enough by a magnet even exceptionally strong ones.

Unless I've completely mis-interpreted how the design was demoed and explained, the BCG can't be designed to be same-pole repelling so I'd imagine the magnet pack has to be sucking the BCG to the top of the receiver at least in theory, which could result in more friction, which could in theory delay things.

I just dunno if that many magnets has the impulse to exert much force on a rearward flying BCG even with the BCG's travel path giving about as much time with the magnets as you can get. I'm pretty sure I have the exact magnets he's using, they're fine for little shit but the little shit in question is easily 1/10th the weight of a BCG and it ain't exactly on the move.

Hell, even a middling high speed camera and a gun-vise could probably shed some light on if it's doing anything besides adding weight.
 
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Unless I've completely mis-interpreted how the design was demoed and explained, the BCG can't be designed to be same-pole repelling so I'd imagine the magnet pack has to be sucking the BCG to the top of the receiver at least in theory, which could result in more friction, which could in theory delay things.
That's exactly how derwood described it. According to his own retelling of the events, he noticed that freshly printed receivers had more friction, but it eventually smoothed out with wear. He wanted something that would keep the friction up. On the comments section Mr Snow (another 3d printing gun tuber) did say that lubrication had an effect on the cycling so that confirms it's all friction based.
 
I want to say mythbusters tried playing around with magnets to see if they could get bullets to move. And they didn't move at all. I seem to recall the issue was the amount of force needed to be exerted to actually alter the bullet's flight path couldn't be provided fast enough by a magnet even exceptionally strong ones.
The only bullet they got to deflect due to the 5 feet of rare earth magnets was 45AARP which probably wasn't due to the magnets and more to do with the rainbow-like trajectory of the cartridge. All this magnet bullshit is reminding me of the Blish Lock in early Thompsons: in theory it'd probably work but in real life it's actually retarded.
 
That's exactly how derwood described it. According to his own retelling of the events, he noticed that freshly printed receivers had more friction, but it eventually smoothed out with wear. He wanted something that would keep the friction up. On the comments section Mr Snow (another 3d printing gun tuber) did say that lubrication had an effect on the cycling so that confirms it's all friction based.
Sounds to me like Mr. Derwood doesn't understand the concept of parts wearing in and didn't design his bolt and receiver with that in mind.
 
Drama will exist in any space where the primary form of payment is clout, and not money. This will naturally attract more ego driven people to the field, while minimizing the profit driven contributors.

There is also the issue of the noise generated by each creator. Some, perhaps most, work quietly and release their work, then move on. While the vocal set, shout out every single move they make, and every bit of drama they sniff out.

It is quite unfortunate that these modern homemade firearm circles have such theatrics, because I think it is good and necessary work. I am sure those who are into the FOSS sphere have the same problems.
 
Drama will exist in any space where the primary form of payment is clout, and not money. This will naturally attract more ego driven people to the field, while minimizing the profit driven contributors.

There is also the issue of the noise generated by each creator. Some, perhaps most, work quietly and release their work, then move on. While the vocal set, shout out every single move they make, and every bit of drama they sniff out.

It is quite unfortunate that these modern homemade firearm circles have such theatrics, because I think it is good and necessary work. I am sure those who are into the FOSS sphere have the same problems.
Almost exactly the same problems. There's a thread, even!
 
Sounds to me like Mr. Derwood doesn't understand the concept of parts wearing in and didn't design his bolt and receiver with that in mind.
The weird thing is that he could have designed a replaceable plastic wear pad and make it spring loaded to compensate for wear, then just replace it when it gets too thin. But "fucking magnets - how do they work", right?
 
The weird thing is that he could have designed a replaceable plastic wear pad and make it spring loaded to compensate for wear, then just replace it when it gets too thin. But "fucking magnets - how do they work", right?
These idiots can barely wrap their heads around the concept of ammunition being a consumable item, the idea of a part wearing down and needing to be replaced is beyond them.

Even if it wasn't, you really don't want the operation of your weapon to rely on a piece that is intended to wear down with use. It's the kind of stuff that causes kabooms. Sure, chambers, bolts and barrels wear and you can have issues with headspacing and whatnot, but usually something else breaks or wears down before that (often springs) and whoever is performing maintenance notices the wear before it becomes a problem.
 
These idiots can barely wrap their heads around the concept of ammunition being a consumable item
They never seem to realize that in a total gun control environment you can’t buy ammunition at the store. There is zero focus on how to manufacture cases or smokeless powder at home. The FGC-9 is pretty useless if you can’t make any ammunition for it.

Also, most of the 3D printed gun community believes that 3D printing the frame/lower totally defeats gun control. Most of them don’t even try to build the more complex fully 3D printed guns because they are too difficult for them. They do however spend a lot of time on Twitter replying to leftist politicians and showing off their 3D printed Glock frames. I wouldn’t be surprised if their autism is the reason for the recent crackdowns on “ghost guns”.

3D printed frames don’t do anything more than an 80% lower does; they keep you off the 4473 registry (provided you’ve never bought any commercially sold guns), but they won’t do anything in an area with high gun control.
 
The weird thing is that he could have designed a replaceable plastic wear pad and make it spring loaded to compensate for wear, then just replace it when it gets too thin. But "fucking magnets - how do they work", right?
The only reason I can think of not going that route, is that worn pad/brake material would migrate and/or inhibit proper function.
 
They never seem to realize that in a total gun control environment you can’t buy ammunition at the store. There is zero focus on how to manufacture cases or smokeless powder at home. The FGC-9 is pretty useless if you can’t make any ammunition for it.

Also, most of the 3D printed gun community believes that 3D printing the frame/lower totally defeats gun control. Most of them don’t even try to build the more complex fully 3D printed guns because they are too difficult for them. They do however spend a lot of time on Twitter replying to leftist politicians and showing off their 3D printed Glock frames. I wouldn’t be surprised if their autism is the reason for the recent crackdowns on “ghost guns”.

3D printed frames don’t do anything more than an 80% lower does; they keep you off the 4473 registry (provided you’ve never bought any commercially sold guns), but they won’t do anything in an area with high gun control.
Some of the guncad guys are bragging about making gunpowder. It's also fairly easy to do. There are ammo making guides by the SAME GUYS who did the FGC9, they require stealing powder from rivet gun blanks, but they seem to work as they're what JStark was using.
I THINK someone is working on a smokeless powder diy guide too. This is not the hard part.
The reason the you only see glock and AR's on Twitter is that the people who can brag about printing guns can generally legally own them, so they do the easier, higher quality thing. FGC 9's have now shown up in IRA videos and conflict zones.

The ghost gun regulation has nothing to do with and does nothing to 3D printed guns. It literally just requires FFL's to serialize all guns sold to them (lol, what FFL is buying printed guns) and disallows the same place from selling both 80% lowers and jigs.

Don't blame people exercising their rights for assholes trying to take them away. They were going to do that anyway. And good luck to them banning homemade firearms.
 
If not is there a particular reason for it?
Derwood and AWCY are responsible for approximately 95% of all drama in the community.
Derwood because he is eternally assmad at Jstark (who is you know, DEAD) and Ivan for not fellating his E-penis to his liking and AWCY for being assmad that they got kicked out of Deterrence Dispensed (as if getting kicked out of a chatroom is actually meaningful) because they allegedly leaked shit. Derwood is in particular mad about the FGC-9 which is an improved, metric version of his AP-9 (a design he is on video stating that he wants people to improve upon) that according to him is a "stolen" design that he wasn't properly credited for (despite his name being in the documentation and in several podcasts).
 
There is zero focus on how to manufacture cases or smokeless powder at home.
There isn't zero focus. The issue is that a guide on manufacturing smokeless has to be significantly more retard proof than a guide on printing non-pressure-bearing parts, and if they spill the beans on the easiest sources of precursors around the world they can ruin it all for everyone. When it came to the "what about ammo" project they released a bill of materials and gave people a few months to buy the components before publicly releasing the guide, so that countries couldn't respond with legislation. I don't actually know if Euroland reacted to the use of nailgun blanks to scavenge primer and powder, but they changed how a lot of chemicals could be obtained after the ISIS thread in the 2010s.
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There's a guy who made double-base smokeless at home, his method seems to be based on the one shown on the Sciencemadness forums years ago.
Also, most of the 3D printed gun community believes that 3D printing the frame/lower totally defeats gun control.
Not to go "no true scotsman" but reply guys on twitter aren't really the creator community. Always apply the Pareto principle, 80% of the people involved don't do anything. Out of those that do something, 80% don't put in "real work". Before Jstark there were people printing weird pepperbox style revolvers in gun control heavy countries so that conversation was ended years ago, what Jstark did was go public and go loud with a design that was more reliable than previous work. Hell, I'd say gun control was defeated by Philip A. Luty, the issue is that society started to pretend that holding a drill or a saw is an arcane skill so they had to have the keys dangled in front of them with the "3d printer" buzzword.
I wouldn’t be surprised if their autism is the reason for the recent crackdowns on “ghost guns”.
More like the recent crackdown on 80% build kits. They're not going after printed stuff at all.
 
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