General GunTuber thread

[Champion The Wonder Horse]

You completely danced over the tranny commie autists!

It's implied, there's no way you're pulling on the programming socks and giving your rent money to Bernie without being somewhere on the spectrum.

 

[UVB-76]

On how the 3d printed community is a natural magnet for drama: I already posted this speech but the relevant part is 18:30 to 22:10. Cody Wilson brings up the example of Atlas Arms, which started off as a neat project but has ground down to a halt and Austin Jones now seems to be permanently assmad about Cody Wilson taking all the spotlight. Cody hasn't done anything to harm Atlas Arms except being famous, and just like every black rifle is an AR15 to a journalist and every pistol is a Glock, all 3d printed gun developments get them talking about Cody Wilson. There's literally no reason for the drama but Jones is too focused on making sure everyone knows he's got the punk cred and Wilson is a sellout who betrayed the cause.

AWCY is the worst offender. They seem to focus more on making memey videos and posts on social media

The best part is how shit their videos are. They can't even enforce any kind of cinematography standards so you see vertical phone footage mixed with 16:9 ratio footage.
I wouldn't criticize shit videos if the purpose was just informing people of releases through trailers, but these people really went out and picked the name of a fictional Banksy-style art group that uses SCPs in the work (as if a normal Banksy isn't insufferable enough) and then they have zero fucking artistic sensibility. Deterrence Dispensed trailers look like kino in comparison.

 

[HarblMcDavid]

Magnets have been talked about for a long time for making a simple blowback design a delayed blowback design. The problem is, as I understand it, that the physics just doesn't support it. Apparently the magnets just aren't strong enough to be useful, while staying under the weight of a conventionally designed mechanically delay blowback system.

Magnets are one of those things that have a certain allure to autists and the scammer's mark. I just don't want people fall for some snake oil routine before this new device is actually vetted. It wouldn't be the first time a useless marketing gimmick has been shilled as revolutionary.

If the guy has succeeded in getting special performance capabilities out of his magnetized design, then great. Perhaps he will have worked some real voodoo that will revolutionize the gun industry. But until then: Caveat emptor.

I want to say mythbusters tried playing around with magnets to see if they could get bullets to move. And they didn't move at all. I seem to recall the issue was the amount of force needed to be exerted to actually alter the bullet's flight path couldn't be provided fast enough by a magnet even exceptionally strong ones.

Unless I've completely mis-interpreted how the design was demoed and explained, the BCG can't be designed to be same-pole repelling so I'd imagine the magnet pack has to be sucking the BCG to the top of the receiver at least in theory, which could result in more friction, which could in theory delay things.

I just dunno if that many magnets has the impulse to exert much force on a rearward flying BCG even with the BCG's travel path giving about as much time with the magnets as you can get. I'm pretty sure I have the exact magnets he's using, they're fine for little shit but the little shit in question is easily 1/10th the weight of a BCG and it ain't exactly on the move.

Hell, even a middling high speed camera and a gun-vise could probably shed some light on if it's doing anything besides adding weight.

 

[UVB-76]

Unless I've completely mis-interpreted how the design was demoed and explained, the BCG can't be designed to be same-pole repelling so I'd imagine the magnet pack has to be sucking the BCG to the top of the receiver at least in theory, which could result in more friction, which could in theory delay things.

That's exactly how derwood described it. According to his own retelling of the events, he noticed that freshly printed receivers had more friction, but it eventually smoothed out with wear. He wanted something that would keep the friction up. On the comments section Mr Snow (another 3d printing gun tuber) did say that lubrication had an effect on the cycling so that confirms it's all friction based.

 

[Molly White's Breast Milk]

I want to say mythbusters tried playing around with magnets to see if they could get bullets to move. And they didn't move at all. I seem to recall the issue was the amount of force needed to be exerted to actually alter the bullet's flight path couldn't be provided fast enough by a magnet even exceptionally strong ones.

The only bullet they got to deflect due to the 5 feet of rare earth magnets was 45AARP which probably wasn't due to the magnets and more to do with the rainbow-like trajectory of the cartridge. All this magnet bullshit is reminding me of the Blish Lock in early Thompsons: in theory it'd probably work but in real life it's actually retarded.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

That's exactly how derwood described it. According to his own retelling of the events, he noticed that freshly printed receivers had more friction, but it eventually smoothed out with wear. He wanted something that would keep the friction up. On the comments section Mr Snow (another 3d printing gun tuber) did say that lubrication had an effect on the cycling so that confirms it's all friction based.

Sounds to me like Mr. Derwood doesn't understand the concept of parts wearing in and didn't design his bolt and receiver with that in mind.

 

[Corn Flakes]

We interrupt this regularly scheduled autism to bring you... more autism.

Paul must have been really pissed off at that rifle.

 

[BONE_Buddy]

Drama will exist in any space where the primary form of payment is clout, and not money. This will naturally attract more ego driven people to the field, while minimizing the profit driven contributors.

There is also the issue of the noise generated by each creator. Some, perhaps most, work quietly and release their work, then move on. While the vocal set, shout out every single move they make, and every bit of drama they sniff out.

It is quite unfortunate that these modern homemade firearm circles have such theatrics, because I think it is good and necessary work. I am sure those who are into the FOSS sphere have the same problems.

 

[Mikoyan]

Drama will exist in any space where the primary form of payment is clout, and not money. This will naturally attract more ego driven people to the field, while minimizing the profit driven contributors.

There is also the issue of the noise generated by each creator. Some, perhaps most, work quietly and release their work, then move on. While the vocal set, shout out every single move they make, and every bit of drama they sniff out.

It is quite unfortunate that these modern homemade firearm circles have such theatrics, because I think it is good and necessary work. I am sure those who are into the FOSS sphere have the same problems.

Almost exactly the same problems. There's a thread, even!

 

[UVB-76]

Sounds to me like Mr. Derwood doesn't understand the concept of parts wearing in and didn't design his bolt and receiver with that in mind.

The weird thing is that he could have designed a replaceable plastic wear pad and make it spring loaded to compensate for wear, then just replace it when it gets too thin. But "fucking magnets - how do they work", right?

 

[Corn Flakes]

The weird thing is that he could have designed a replaceable plastic wear pad and make it spring loaded to compensate for wear, then just replace it when it gets too thin. But "fucking magnets - how do they work", right?

These idiots can barely wrap their heads around the concept of ammunition being a consumable item, the idea of a part wearing down and needing to be replaced is beyond them.

Even if it wasn't, you really don't want the operation of your weapon to rely on a piece that is intended to wear down with use. It's the kind of stuff that causes kabooms. Sure, chambers, bolts and barrels wear and you can have issues with headspacing and whatnot, but usually something else breaks or wears down before that (often springs) and whoever is performing maintenance notices the wear before it becomes a problem.

 

[quaawaa]

These idiots can barely wrap their heads around the concept of ammunition being a consumable item

They never seem to realize that in a total gun control environment you can’t buy ammunition at the store. There is zero focus on how to manufacture cases or smokeless powder at home. The FGC-9 is pretty useless if you can’t make any ammunition for it.

Also, most of the 3D printed gun community believes that 3D printing the frame/lower totally defeats gun control. Most of them don’t even try to build the more complex fully 3D printed guns because they are too difficult for them. They do however spend a lot of time on Twitter replying to leftist politicians and showing off their 3D printed Glock frames. I wouldn’t be surprised if their autism is the reason for the recent crackdowns on “ghost guns”.

3D printed frames don’t do anything more than an 80% lower does; they keep you off the 4473 registry (provided you’ve never bought any commercially sold guns), but they won’t do anything in an area with high gun control.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

The weird thing is that he could have designed a replaceable plastic wear pad and make it spring loaded to compensate for wear, then just replace it when it gets too thin. But "fucking magnets - how do they work", right?

The only reason I can think of not going that route, is that worn pad/brake material would migrate and/or inhibit proper function.

 

[Puff]

They never seem to realize that in a total gun control environment you can’t buy ammunition at the store. There is zero focus on how to manufacture cases or smokeless powder at home. The FGC-9 is pretty useless if you can’t make any ammunition for it.

Also, most of the 3D printed gun community believes that 3D printing the frame/lower totally defeats gun control. Most of them don’t even try to build the more complex fully 3D printed guns because they are too difficult for them. They do however spend a lot of time on Twitter replying to leftist politicians and showing off their 3D printed Glock frames. I wouldn’t be surprised if their autism is the reason for the recent crackdowns on “ghost guns”.

3D printed frames don’t do anything more than an 80% lower does; they keep you off the 4473 registry (provided you’ve never bought any commercially sold guns), but they won’t do anything in an area with high gun control.

Some of the guncad guys are bragging about making gunpowder. It's also fairly easy to do. There are ammo making guides by the SAME GUYS who did the FGC9, they require stealing powder from rivet gun blanks, but they seem to work as they're what JStark was using.
I THINK someone is working on a smokeless powder diy guide too. This is not the hard part.
The reason the you only see glock and AR's on Twitter is that the people who can brag about printing guns can generally legally own them, so they do the easier, higher quality thing. FGC 9's have now shown up in IRA videos and conflict zones.

The ghost gun regulation has nothing to do with and does nothing to 3D printed guns. It literally just requires FFL's to serialize all guns sold to them (lol, what FFL is buying printed guns) and disallows the same place from selling both 80% lowers and jigs.

Don't blame people exercising their rights for assholes trying to take them away. They were going to do that anyway. And good luck to them banning homemade firearms.

 

[AGPinochet]

If not is there a particular reason for it?

Derwood and AWCY are responsible for approximately 95% of all drama in the community.
Derwood because he is eternally assmad at Jstark (who is you know, DEAD) and Ivan for not fellating his E-penis to his liking and AWCY for being assmad that they got kicked out of Deterrence Dispensed (as if getting kicked out of a chatroom is actually meaningful) because they allegedly leaked shit. Derwood is in particular mad about the FGC-9 which is an improved, metric version of his AP-9 (a design he is on video stating that he wants people to improve upon) that according to him is a "stolen" design that he wasn't properly credited for (despite his name being in the documentation and in several podcasts).

 

[UVB-76]

There is zero focus on how to manufacture cases or smokeless powder at home.

There isn't zero focus. The issue is that a guide on manufacturing smokeless has to be significantly more retard proof than a guide on printing non-pressure-bearing parts, and if they spill the beans on the easiest sources of precursors around the world they can ruin it all for everyone. When it came to the "what about ammo" project they released a bill of materials and gave people a few months to buy the components before publicly releasing the guide, so that countries couldn't respond with legislation. I don't actually know if Euroland reacted to the use of nailgun blanks to scavenge primer and powder, but they changed how a lot of chemicals could be obtained after the ISIS thread in the 2010s.

Spoiler: albert9x19 on twatter

There's a guy who made double-base smokeless at home, his method seems to be based on the one shown on the Sciencemadness forums years ago.

Also, most of the 3D printed gun community believes that 3D printing the frame/lower totally defeats gun control.

Not to go "no true scotsman" but reply guys on twitter aren't really the creator community. Always apply the Pareto principle, 80% of the people involved don't do anything. Out of those that do something, 80% don't put in "real work". Before Jstark there were people printing weird pepperbox style revolvers in gun control heavy countries so that conversation was ended years ago, what Jstark did was go public and go loud with a design that was more reliable than previous work. Hell, I'd say gun control was defeated by Philip A. Luty, the issue is that society started to pretend that holding a drill or a saw is an arcane skill so they had to have the keys dangled in front of them with the "3d printer" buzzword.

I wouldn’t be surprised if their autism is the reason for the recent crackdowns on “ghost guns”.

More like the recent crackdown on 80% build kits. They're not going after printed stuff at all.

 

[Puff]

I'd say gun control was defeated by Philip A. Luty, the issue is that society started to pretend that holding a drill or a saw is an arcane skill so they had to have the keys dangled in front of them with the "3d printer" buzzword.

The reason I started printing is you can do silly things like visually customize the guns and also it's cool to say I made this. While I would like a mill to make my own parts, they're large and expensive and I move every three years.

The reason it's taking off is you can do it with little skill and cheaply. Anyone with basic mechanic skills can do a 3D printed lower that works in their apartment and offload the rest to professional shops. If you're making a traditionally manufactured gun in your home, unless you know what you're doing, you're not getting a semiauto that works with standardized parts.

Further the political side lines up. AWB's have been being teased since right around the time that 3D printing got cheap enough for home users, so it became an easy way to make a political statement.

 

[quaawaa]

Some of the guncad guys are bragging about making gunpowder. It's also fairly easy to do. There are ammo making guides by the SAME GUYS who did the FGC9, they require stealing powder from rivet gun blanks, but they seem to work as they're what JStark was using.
I THINK someone is working on a smokeless powder diy guide too. This is not the hard part.

There's a guy who made double-base smokeless at home, his method seems to be based on the one shown on the Sciencemadness forums years ago.

The nail gun blank one is not practical (normal people don't buy large numbers of blanks in one go; they'd end up regulated like fertilizer is today if this ends up on their radar). They also tell people to buy cases (in the nail gun guide) or make them on a lathe (I recall seeing that on social media). P.A. Luty wrote a much better guide on how to do this, but there is still the problem of how to make large number of cases. They have no solution for primers (the nail gun guide says to reuse the nail gun primers). There are guides available on how to actually make primers and powder, but none of them are by the guncad guys (the ScienceMadness stuff for example, though they aren't the only ones, though last I checked that wasn't an easy to follow guide that normal people could do). The best guide I've seen for powder is by an anon from /k/ and uses ping pong balls (though ping pong balls are switching away from using nitrocellulose) and haven't found one for primers yet.

Not to go "no true scotsman" but reply guys on twitter aren't really the creator community

I know most of them aren't actually doing real work, but how is spamming a pro-gun control politician a good idea? Ultimately the bans are the politicians' fault, but purposefully antagonizing them and telling them about all the "loopholes" you've found isn't the greatest idea.

The ghost gun regulation has nothing to do with and does nothing to 3D printed guns. It literally just requires FFL's to serialize all guns sold to them (lol, what FFL is buying printed guns) and disallows the same place from selling both 80% lowers and jigs.

More like the recent crackdown on 80% build kits. They're not going after printed stuff at all.

It does now, but it used to require the serialization of most parts, which would have also killed most of the 3D printed gun projects (everything but the from scratch ones). The ATF dropped that after realizing how impractical it would be, but they did try.

Hell, I'd say gun control was defeated by Philip A. Luty, the issue is that society started to pretend that holding a drill or a saw is an arcane skill so they had to have the keys dangled in front of them with the "3d printer" buzzword.

I agree 100% with this.
I'm not hating on 3D printed guns, I have made several myself, it's just that I don't think the community is thinking how the enemy thinks and will be caught off guard.

 

[Puff]

The nail gun blank one is not practical (normal people don't buy large numbers of blanks in one go; they'd end up regulated like fertilizer is today if this ends up on their radar). They also tell people to buy cases (in the nail gun guide) or make them on a lathe (I recall seeing that on social media). P.A. Luty wrote a much better guide on how to do this, but there is still the problem of how to make large number of cases. They have no solution for primers (the nail gun guide says to reuse the nail gun primers). There are guides available on how to actually make primers and powder, but none of them are by the guncad guys (the ScienceMadness stuff for example, though they aren't the only ones, though last I checked that wasn't an easy to follow guide that normal people could do). The best guide I've seen for powder is by an anon from /k/ and uses ping pong balls (though ping pong balls are switching away from using nitrocellulose) and haven't found one for primers yet.

I know most of them aren't actually doing real work, but how is spamming a pro-gun control politician a good idea? Ultimately the bans are the politicians' fault, but purposefully antagonizing them and telling them about all the "loopholes" you've found isn't the greatest idea.


It does now, but it used to require the serialization of most parts, which would have also killed most of the 3D printed gun projects (everything but the from scratch ones). The ATF dropped that after realizing how impractical it would be, but they did try.

I agree 100% with this.
I'm not hating on 3D printed guns, I have made several myself, it's just that I don't think the community is thinking how the enemy thinks and will be caught off guard.

If there's already a good guide, why does it matter the guncad guys aren't doing one?
Everything else, I don't see your point. There is nothing you can do to make the gun grabbers more gun grabby unless you do a minecraft. Also the serialization thing is likely to get overturned in the courts.

 

[Champion The Wonder Horse]

Are 3d printed guns particularly useful to the average American, who can go to his local FFL and buy a pistol calibre AR that will shit all over an FGC9? Absolutely not.

That's not who the target audience is though, JStark was quite clear that his motivation was that he was of Kurdish descent, had seen what governments can do to disarmed people and said "Never Again". Given that plenty of FGC9s are popping up in places like Burma in rebel hands, I'd say they are more than "good enough", when your intention is to ambush a small group of soldiers/police from your opressive military junta/fashy/commie totalitarian government.

Don't think of 3d printed guns as a replacement for a KAC AR, think of them as a modern equivalent of the Liberator pistol, or Blyskawica SMG. Insurgency tools, not battle rifles.