General GunTuber thread

[Puff]

I'd say gun control was defeated by Philip A. Luty, the issue is that society started to pretend that holding a drill or a saw is an arcane skill so they had to have the keys dangled in front of them with the "3d printer" buzzword.

The reason I started printing is you can do silly things like visually customize the guns and also it's cool to say I made this. While I would like a mill to make my own parts, they're large and expensive and I move every three years.

The reason it's taking off is you can do it with little skill and cheaply. Anyone with basic mechanic skills can do a 3D printed lower that works in their apartment and offload the rest to professional shops. If you're making a traditionally manufactured gun in your home, unless you know what you're doing, you're not getting a semiauto that works with standardized parts.

Further the political side lines up. AWB's have been being teased since right around the time that 3D printing got cheap enough for home users, so it became an easy way to make a political statement.

 

[quaawaa]

Some of the guncad guys are bragging about making gunpowder. It's also fairly easy to do. There are ammo making guides by the SAME GUYS who did the FGC9, they require stealing powder from rivet gun blanks, but they seem to work as they're what JStark was using.
I THINK someone is working on a smokeless powder diy guide too. This is not the hard part.

There's a guy who made double-base smokeless at home, his method seems to be based on the one shown on the Sciencemadness forums years ago.

The nail gun blank one is not practical (normal people don't buy large numbers of blanks in one go; they'd end up regulated like fertilizer is today if this ends up on their radar). They also tell people to buy cases (in the nail gun guide) or make them on a lathe (I recall seeing that on social media). P.A. Luty wrote a much better guide on how to do this, but there is still the problem of how to make large number of cases. They have no solution for primers (the nail gun guide says to reuse the nail gun primers). There are guides available on how to actually make primers and powder, but none of them are by the guncad guys (the ScienceMadness stuff for example, though they aren't the only ones, though last I checked that wasn't an easy to follow guide that normal people could do). The best guide I've seen for powder is by an anon from /k/ and uses ping pong balls (though ping pong balls are switching away from using nitrocellulose) and haven't found one for primers yet.

Not to go "no true scotsman" but reply guys on twitter aren't really the creator community

I know most of them aren't actually doing real work, but how is spamming a pro-gun control politician a good idea? Ultimately the bans are the politicians' fault, but purposefully antagonizing them and telling them about all the "loopholes" you've found isn't the greatest idea.

The ghost gun regulation has nothing to do with and does nothing to 3D printed guns. It literally just requires FFL's to serialize all guns sold to them (lol, what FFL is buying printed guns) and disallows the same place from selling both 80% lowers and jigs.

More like the recent crackdown on 80% build kits. They're not going after printed stuff at all.

It does now, but it used to require the serialization of most parts, which would have also killed most of the 3D printed gun projects (everything but the from scratch ones). The ATF dropped that after realizing how impractical it would be, but they did try.

Hell, I'd say gun control was defeated by Philip A. Luty, the issue is that society started to pretend that holding a drill or a saw is an arcane skill so they had to have the keys dangled in front of them with the "3d printer" buzzword.

I agree 100% with this.
I'm not hating on 3D printed guns, I have made several myself, it's just that I don't think the community is thinking how the enemy thinks and will be caught off guard.

 

[Puff]

The nail gun blank one is not practical (normal people don't buy large numbers of blanks in one go; they'd end up regulated like fertilizer is today if this ends up on their radar). They also tell people to buy cases (in the nail gun guide) or make them on a lathe (I recall seeing that on social media). P.A. Luty wrote a much better guide on how to do this, but there is still the problem of how to make large number of cases. They have no solution for primers (the nail gun guide says to reuse the nail gun primers). There are guides available on how to actually make primers and powder, but none of them are by the guncad guys (the ScienceMadness stuff for example, though they aren't the only ones, though last I checked that wasn't an easy to follow guide that normal people could do). The best guide I've seen for powder is by an anon from /k/ and uses ping pong balls (though ping pong balls are switching away from using nitrocellulose) and haven't found one for primers yet.

I know most of them aren't actually doing real work, but how is spamming a pro-gun control politician a good idea? Ultimately the bans are the politicians' fault, but purposefully antagonizing them and telling them about all the "loopholes" you've found isn't the greatest idea.


It does now, but it used to require the serialization of most parts, which would have also killed most of the 3D printed gun projects (everything but the from scratch ones). The ATF dropped that after realizing how impractical it would be, but they did try.

I agree 100% with this.
I'm not hating on 3D printed guns, I have made several myself, it's just that I don't think the community is thinking how the enemy thinks and will be caught off guard.

If there's already a good guide, why does it matter the guncad guys aren't doing one?
Everything else, I don't see your point. There is nothing you can do to make the gun grabbers more gun grabby unless you do a minecraft. Also the serialization thing is likely to get overturned in the courts.

 

[Champion The Wonder Horse]

Are 3d printed guns particularly useful to the average American, who can go to his local FFL and buy a pistol calibre AR that will shit all over an FGC9? Absolutely not.

That's not who the target audience is though, JStark was quite clear that his motivation was that he was of Kurdish descent, had seen what governments can do to disarmed people and said "Never Again". Given that plenty of FGC9s are popping up in places like Burma in rebel hands, I'd say they are more than "good enough", when your intention is to ambush a small group of soldiers/police from your opressive military junta/fashy/commie totalitarian government.

Don't think of 3d printed guns as a replacement for a KAC AR, think of them as a modern equivalent of the Liberator pistol, or Blyskawica SMG. Insurgency tools, not battle rifles.

 

[quaawaa]

If there's already a good guide, why does it matter the guncad guys aren't doing one?

They’re the most vocal and their Twitter antics about “gun control is useless because of 3D printers” annoy me. It is still a very real threat, and I don’t think the majority of the community (obviously not people like JStark) realize that they won’t be able to get fired 9mm cases, nail gun blanks, Glock parts, and AR uppers in a highly regulated environment.

Don't think of 3d printed guns as a replacement for a KAC AR, think of them as a modern equivalent of the Liberator pistol, or Blyskawica SMG. Insurgency tools, not battle rifles.

Oh I don’t. Outside of the polymer framed pistols, which perform identically to the “real thing” (and maybe the printed AR lowers, but the quality and durability is way worse than a proper polymer lower like the KP-15 (I’m disappointed that it wasn’t financially viable for them to make an 80% version)), they are modern Liberators. The vocal part of their community does act like they are justasgood as “real” firearms though.

 

[UVB-76]

how to make large number of cases

What do you think is a large number of cases? If you're planning to fend off an ATF raid in the next two weeks, yeah you might not get a full combat load worth of them.
I see it like long term food storage, you don't get a pantry full of it expecting a full blown collapse right now. If you can make a magazine's worth of casings in a Sunday, you're off to a good start.

(the ScienceMadness stuff for example, though they aren't the only ones, though last I checked that wasn't an easy to follow guide that normal people could do). The best guide I've seen for powder is by an anon from /k/ and uses ping pong balls and haven't found one for primers yet.

The sciencemadness thing isn't meant to be a guide, they wanted to avoid the bad reputation pyro forums usually get and wouldn't spoonfeed as much as other places.
Aardvark Reloading has like 4-5 primer composition alternatives.
But I understand why they haven't released a guide. They'd need to gather information to let people navigate the process on how to get precursors on multiple countries (you can make them, but that just adds to the complexity), and then deal with the fact that they'd have all sorts of brainlets pepper their faces with Chinese glass when their synthesis of nitrocellulose went wrong, or suffocated themselves in the red fumes. If you're the kind of person who'd be able to follow their guide without killing yourself, you can do it without them having to release a guide.

They’re the most vocal and their Twitter antics about “gun control is useless because of 3D printers” annoy me

You have to think that it annoys the antis. Just see it as a demoralization effort.
That Albert9x19 guy had some replies to tweets that got deleted. Inferring the context from what he wrote in his replies and the videos/images, he was replying to people saying "you can't make your own ammo" with posts proving he made his own gunpowder. I assume those people deleted their replies out of embarrassment. Does it change much? No. But a lot of propaganda is meant to demoralize us. These twitter reply guys are demoralizing them.

 

[ILikeForwardAssists]

Read back up to 295 to catch up but kinda got lazy after that. Nice to know Karl is keeping up with his antics.

I agree that Karl is like that irl, but in the video he seems to have boiled himself down to a caricature just for the bit. This video actually shows some self-awareness from his part.
Problem is that he returns to his annoying real self when he's back in front of his keyboard.

Well, there's the M80A1 round, which is the Big Boy™ version of M855A1.
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I have a different take, though. We should increase chamber pressures if the Sig case design is that good. Do some fancy EDM shit on barrels and create relief cuts that don't disturb the rifling to get sharp pressure drop close to the uncorking of the bullet at the muzzle. Short cans at the end. Fuck it, we 5.56 Magnum now.

Was actually talking to my brother about this. Would be baller as fuck to have M855A1 and Mk.318 go nearly M193 speeds. I mean, I'm sure there'll be problems as the Sig Spear hasn't even reached testing with soldiers and I'm sure that extra pressure hasn't been tested as much as they hope we think they did, but I think it'd be pretty fuckin' neat.

The analogy of car seats only really works for things like adjustable stocks, we let people adjust controls or seating because everyone has a different body. Can you imagine how fucked every car would be if we put a knob on the dash that let people adjust the air fuel mixture? Or the suspension? You can really fuck up a car by messing with important functions and even make it dangerous.

You sound like a giga-jew-hyper-tranny-freedom-hating-nigger-lover with your desire of restricting my ability to make mistakes. So to put it into an example that will make you happy and I posit this response:

It's like being not able to choose what Bad Dragon dildo will go up your ass, or if it has a cum hose attached or not. You can meet an end with a Mr. Hands level of Dragon cock, or you can get a one-inch goblin penis with a grain silo worth of fake cum pumped up your colon, but if you can choose your choice of ass destruction, life is much more enjoyable.
"This is a bad analogy" No u nigger.

Edit: Forgot to add 'Freedom hating'

 

[Corn Flakes]

God damn, we just had a containment breach from Animal Control.

Anyway...

More like the recent crackdown on 80% build kits. They're not going after printed stuff at all.

They're not going after printed stuff yet.

Unless there's a huge traumatic event that gets the mummified corpses in Congress to stir in their crypts, the political process tends to lag pretty hard behind technology. Add to it the fact that while it's getting popular 3D printing is still a very niche thing and they wouldn't even know what to do. But just wait a while. Give it 5 or 10 years of this bullshit and they'll be trying to scour the internet for gun schematics and attempting to class 3D printers as controlled items.

 

[HumptiDouji]

They teased the CETME C printed receiver but didn't release it for over 6 months. Someone prominent in the community also released his own CETME receiver in response to AWCY not releasing theirs and it seems to have upset them as well.

Was that the hand bomb I saw on /k/ once? Someone showed a CETME parts kit build with a 3D printed receiver, and this fucking thing gives me anxiety just thinking about it.

Look at this ugly piece of shit. Makes me think of those old FA91 rifles with cast aluminum receivers, which had their trunnions fastened with epoxy. I wonder how the trunnion is held in place on this thing? Just embedded into the printed polymer or something?

He wanted something that would keep the friction up. On the comments section Mr Snow (another 3d printing gun tuber) did say that lubrication had an effect on the cycling so that confirms it's all friction based.

Wow, friction delayed blowback, they could have a springloaded angled wedge for what it matters.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Was that the hand bomb I saw on /k/ once? Someone showed a CETME parts kit build with a 3D printed receiver, and this fucking thing gives me anxiety just thinking about it.

Look at this ugly piece of shit. Makes me think of those old FA91 rifles with cast aluminum receivers, which had their trunnions fastened with epoxy. I wonder how the trunnion is held in place on this thing? Just embedded into the printed polymer or something?

That thing scares me just looking at it. The most concerning part is I doubt they've actually done a destructive failure test on one either so who knows how this thing acts during a potential catastrophic failure.

 

[Puff]

Was that the hand bomb I saw on /k/ once? Someone showed a CETME parts kit build with a 3D printed receiver, and this fucking thing gives me anxiety just thinking about it.
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Look at this ugly piece of shit. Makes me think of those old FA91 rifles with cast aluminum receivers, which had their trunnions fastened with epoxy. I wonder how the trunnion is held in place on this thing? Just embedded into the printed polymer or something?


Wow, friction delayed blowback, they could have a springloaded angled wedge for what it matters.

That's the Amigo Grande, a gatalog/ctrl-pew design. They work pretty well until you do a few mag dumps and the section holding lockup gets warm and soft.

Like most of the printed designs, the lockup is all metal from the stock gun, so it shouldn't explode.

That thing scares me just looking at it. The most concerning part is I doubt they've actually done a destructive failure test on one either so who knows how this thing acts during a potential catastrophic failure.

Fucking pussy.

Edit: the designs you actually have to worry about are the smaller caliber guns that are simple blowback since due to the possibility of out of battery detonation. What's a CETME's roller system going to fail to? Something melts, well it won't feed or eject right. All of the lockup failures are the same ones on the original gun. There's no extra risk from plastic receivers in this kind of design.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Fucking pussy.

You are what you eat.

 

[UVB-76]

I wonder how the trunnion is held in place on this thing? Just embedded into the printed polymer or something?

There's a 3d printed two-piece clamshell that engages the trunnion profile, which gets pressed into the receiver and bolted from the sides.

 

[Kendall Motor Oil]

What is nice about the 3D print gun community is you get cool things like CETME flat jigs so you can buy a flat and print the jig to press the flat into a receiver.

 

[Fools Idol]

Do people really not know any basic sheet metal fab?

 

[Kendall Motor Oil]

Bending a CETME flat isn't easy without a jig and the tooling to make one yourself is expensive on top of sourcing the measurements.

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5333009

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5170099

 

[ILikeForwardAssists]

Like most of the printed designs, the lockup is all metal from the stock gun, so it shouldn't explode

So you're saying that if dump some mags, I can bring a funky lookin' piece of melted chocolate to a 3-gun match?

Do people really not know any basic sheet metal fab?

No cuz it's too dangewous...

But really, people don't want to figure out or want to learn how to run a mill, lathe with a milling attachment or a CNC machine. Not to mention go sending metal filings all over the place. This is not even including the special two words everyone hates 'Limited Space'.

 

[Puff]

So you're saying that if dump some mags, I can bring a funky lookin' piece of melted chocolate to a 3-gun match?



No cuz it's too dangewous...

But really, people don't want to figure out or want to learn how to run a mill, lathe with a milling attachment or a CNC machine. Not to mention go sending metal filings all over the place. This is not even including the special two words everyone hates 'Limited Space'.

It's more than two mags to get a point of aim drop. It'll die before you melt it visibly. I can't remember how many mags they got on PLA+ before it just shits itself.

And on sheet metal fab... Most people don't have the money or space for the equipment. 3-D printers take a few cubic feet.

 

[Fools Idol]

So you're saying that if dump some mags, I can bring a funky lookin' piece of melted chocolate to a 3-gun match?



No cuz it's too dangewous...

But really, people don't want to figure out or want to learn how to run a mill, lathe with a milling attachment or a CNC machine. Not to mention go sending metal filings all over the place. This is not even including the special two words everyone hates 'Limited Space'.

You can nigger-rig together a shitty tube gun with nothing more than a vice, angle grinder, hammer, drill (preferably a bench drill), a welder and some measuring and scribing tools. Tube stock is already a basic receiver and you could make a trunnion out of bar stock with some holes drilled into it.

I know it sounds like a lot, but it's really only just basic garage tools and the right materials.

 

[Kendall Motor Oil]

You can nigger-rig together a shitty tube gun with nothing more than a vice, angle grinder, hammer, drill (preferably a bench drill), a welder and some measuring and scribing tools. Tube stock is already a basic receiver and you could make a trunnion out of bar stock with some holes drilled into it.

I know it sounds like a lot, but it's really only just basic garage tools and the right materials.

The luty and cheetah are that type of DIY garage gun. People are designing hybrids where the non-stressed parts are printed which allows them to print more complicated shapes to accommodate the more simplistic metal parts. The Cheetah's frame is 3D printed and, iirc, there is a hybrid Luty as well.
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