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[Corn Flakes]

Does anyone else remember the whole debacle where he made a comment in one video to the effect of "You pull the charging handle on the G3 down and release it, you NEVER perform the HK slap the HK slap is a bad thing to do." and then people were like "Literally how is the HK slap bad for the gun and who has ever said 'don't do that'?"

And then Karl made at least one video where he pulled up the Bundeswehr operating manual for the G3 and appealed to doctrine to say "SEE? The Bundeswehr CLEARLY states to not do the HK slap! I'm right and you're wrong! nanner nanner nanner!"

And then everyone else was like "Yeah sure, maybe it says that but you still haven't explained why it's actually bad to do." alongside a couple guys who were claiming to be former Bundeswehr who were all like "The manuals told us not to do it but we did it anyways. No one cared and it caused no problems with the rifles."

I remember that.

After seeing an old article mentioning Karl, I was thinking about what got Ian and Karl to be friends in the first place. And I reached the conclusion that it was probably their shared love of history. Both men do very similar things when it comes down to it, too: they look for documentation to back their arguments. And as far as guns go, manuals of arms and doctrine manuals are their Holy Grail. But doctrine and real life are two different things and soldiers are infamous for bending and/or ignoring the rules once the rubber has met the road. So the official documentation needs to be supplemented by knowledge drawn from real-life experience.

So, both Ian and Karl come in from the same angle and have similar blind spots with regards to supplemental information. But while Ian will attempt some level of scholarly rigor and generally corrects himself (sometimes begrudgingly) when presented with contradicting evidence or first-hand testimony (possibly because he has talked to a lot of actual scholars and experts), Karl has become so certain of his opinions that unless someone forces him to change his mind getting that dude to admit he's wrong or even explain where he gets his supposedly unassailable information from is like drawing blood from a stone.

 

[UVB-76]

I just stumbled across this on YouTube, it's an archived video from some guy that manufactures underground bunkers, bitching about a bad experience negotiating a sponsership with Demolition Ranch...

Ihttps://youtube.com/watch?v=GsYPFC4HjXY

I think we talked about it briefly. There's long running beef between Atlas Survival and Rising S. The guy who runs Atlas constantly accuses the owner of Rising S of snitching to the feds, making bunkers that rust and brings up a situation where a bunker blew up due to some gas leak. The Rising S guy gave Matt a bunker in exchange for the videos promoting the company which was just the better deal and the competitor got felted.

 

[Archie_Kimkicker]

Karl is so stuck on canceling the forward assist, he actually went to the trouble of citing a person he probably would otherwise completely dismiss:

 

[White Devil]

Karl is so stuck on canceling the forward assist, he actually went to the trouble of citing a person he probably would otherwise completely dismiss:

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Karl will never see combat unless said combat is the fight to put on an ever tightening plate carrier while he shoots at dirt, so his opinion on the forward assist is safely discarded.

 

[Archie_Kimkicker]

Karl will never see combat unless said combat is the fight to put on an ever tightening plate carrier while he shoots at dirt, so his opinion on the forward assist is safely discarded.

Nonsense! He might fight his girlfriend over who gets to fluff the bull first.

 

[Lupo Akane]

Meth is a hell of a drug when mixed with being stupid....
I thought this man was gone for good but CRS Firearms is still crying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaB6RlW2j10

 

[Dvsilverwing]

I think we talked about it briefly. There's long running beef between Atlas Survival and Rising S. The guy who runs Atlas constantly accuses the owner of Rising S of snitching to the feds, making bunkers that rust and brings up a situation where a bunker blew up due to some gas leak. The Rising S guy gave Matt a bunker in exchange for the videos promoting the company which was just the better deal and the competitor got felted.

lmao, literally "20,000 to bury this cargo container for you" versus "I'll do it for free if you tell people my name". Why the fuck wouldn't the first guy just take the investment hit for the massive advertisement and say "Well I contacted you first and I can do it for free even better".

 

[Corn Flakes]

Missed this one:

That aside, I only wish it was easier to find some semblance of a community of people I can sit down and have a beer with rather than feel like fucktards are going to fedpost about burning down the government or starting their own ranch in Montana.

Honestly, your best bet is finding a local group and going to the range (and then to the bar) with them. People tend to be a lot more civil when they're within punching distance, and simply being in the same physical space as opposed to an amorphous online "community" gives people a sense of community much stronger than anything you'll find on Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, or here. Having a crew, to use one of Paul Harrell's terms, is a wonderful thing. Even if you don't organize into an official group, having more friends is always good.

Yeah, sure. There are assholes and control freaks out there, particularly when it comes to people leading tiny groups and thinking they're God given form (neighborhood associations are rife with them), but are those really any worse than your average overzealous tranny janny that will ban your ass without even knowing your name?

 

[1Tonka_Truck]

The guy who runs Atlas constantly accuses the owner of Rising S of snitching to the feds, making bunkers that rust

I have always got "NEVER GIVE THIS GUY MONEY" vibes from Atlas videos. Also, the guy with "bunkers" made from CMP(Crusty Metal Pipe) in the background should not throw stones about shit rusting.

that was incredibly panful to type with caps lock stuck on and only 1 shift key.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Karl is so stuck on canceling the forward assist, he actually went to the trouble of citing a person he probably would otherwise completely dismiss:

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See the issue is that video is three hours long and he wants me to literally skip half of it. I feel like I'd be giving up a ton of context and that's also totally ignoring the point that SEALs are not your typical retarded boot (in theory) and they're using weapons that aren't maintained the same way your typical retarded boot's is (in theory).

I have always got "NEVER GIVE THIS GUY MONEY" vibes from Atlas videos. Also, the guy with "bunkers" made from CMP(Crusty Metal Pipe) in the background should not throw stones about shit rusting.

lmao, literally "20,000 to bury this cargo container for you" versus "I'll do it for free if you tell people my name". Why the fuck wouldn't the first guy just take the investment hit for the massive advertisement and say "Well I contacted you first and I can do it for free even better".

I've never considered myself an expert on the topic of survival bunkers but it occurs to me that steel bunkers are only ever used by military forces when they need something that's quick to set up and can be ported into an area such as a checkpoint for a limited time. Military bunkers made to last all seem to be some form of earthwork, whether that be stones, bricks, or concrete. Just a trend I've noticed but it makes some interesting food for thought.

 

[UVB-76]

See the issue is that video is three hours long and he wants me to literally skip half of it. I feel like I'd be giving up a ton of context and that's also totally ignoring the point that SEALs are not your typical retarded boot (in theory) and they're using weapons that aren't maintained the same way your typical retarded boot's is (in theory).

There's no context. He was just explaining that he stopped carrying a Glock because the HK416 was so reliable. Until one day ammo that had come from a bad batch seized his rifle, and without thinking he hammered the forward assist - then couldn't pull the case out.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

There's no context. He was just explaining that he stopped carrying a Glock because the HK416 was so reliable. Until one day ammo that had come from a bad batch seized his rifle, and without thinking he hammered the forward assist - then couldn't pull the case out.

Ah I see.

 

[Mr. Confederate Man]

I still don’t understand the forward assist autism. It doesn’t hurt anything by being there, has a purpose, and is a standard feature, so it’s not like it costs extra. Like anything,if someone misuses it, that’s a result of their ignorance or stupidity.

 

[BONE_Buddy]

I still don’t understand the forward assist autism. It doesn’t hurt anything by being there, has a purpose, and is a standard feature, so it’s not like it costs extra. Like anything,if someone misuses it, that’s a result of their ignorance or stupidity.

but muh ounce and a half of extra weight! It completely ruins my rifle! I could totally be a high speed ninja-gunslinger if I just got rid of the encumbrance causing Forward Assist!

 

[Blasterisk]

but muh ounce and a half of extra weight! It completely ruins my rifle! I could totally be a high speed ninja-gunslinger if I just got rid of the encumbrance causing Forward Assist!

Karl needs to lose more than an ounce and a half.

 

[Corn Flakes]

I still don’t understand the forward assist autism. It doesn’t hurt anything by being there, has a purpose, and is a standard feature, so it’s not like it costs extra. Like anything,if someone misuses it, that’s a result of their ignorance or stupidity.

There's a lot of "my way or the highway" when it comes to gun minutiae, and most of it is completely pointless ego-stroking.

Like, I'm not a fan of forward assists. But that's because I much prefer reciprocating bolt handles, something with a solid connection to the bolt/carrier itself. And with the AR platform in particular the charging handle just feels awkward to me. Even though I've got one and I'm used to it, I still think it feels weird to operate. But the key is that I don't care if anyone disagrees with me. If you like forward assists, good on you. There are perfectly good reasons for it, as the army concluded. If you dislike them, that's fine too. Same deal: there are reasons not to like it, otherwise every rifle without a reciprocating bolt handle would have one. Neither position affects my opinion on the matter, or their relative value.

It happens every time you see two opposing views that are mostly inconsequential. People latch on to their position and won't budge. Some are pro-skub, others are anti-skub, but in the end it makes no difference. Think of it like fandom. It's the gun-nut version of shipping and OTPs.

 

[HumptiDouji]

Karl, you are a cuck and a nigger. You probably stood idly by while your girlfriend got passed around on Blacked and told yourself what a good deed you were doing. People like you are the exact reason our culture is on the decline and the sooner you faggots cut yourself off from our gene pool, the sooner we can repair the damage you've done.

They put black girls on Blacked?

Does anyone else remember the whole debacle where he made a comment in one video to the effect of "You pull the charging handle on the G3 down and release it, you NEVER perform the HK slap the HK slap is a bad thing to do."

Oh, that was Karl? lmao, reminds me of his insistence that the correct (and only viable) way to use a DA/SA pistol is to always use the decocker after engaging a target, so that you then do the DA pull every time you engage a new target.

So, both Ian and Karl come in from the same angle and have similar blind spots with regards to supplemental information. But while Ian will attempt some level of scholarly rigor and generally corrects himself (sometimes begrudgingly) when presented with contradicting evidence or first-hand testimony (possibly because he has talked to a lot of actual scholars and experts).

Hence the appeal to Stoner (who never did a tour with the M16), the airforce (who generally just guards airbases), on the subject of the forward assist.
For Karl pointing to a SEAL complaining that his HK416 seized up, I'll hazard a guess that there's something about how the HK416 is an ungodly mutation between the AR15 and AR18 as a contributing factor. You don't get things like carrier tilt on an old SP-1 or AR180.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

For Karl pointing to a SEAL complaining that his HK416 seized up, I'll hazard a guess that there's something about how the HK416 is an ungodly mutation between the AR15 and AR18 as a contributing factor. You don't get things like carrier tilt on an old SP-1 or AR180.

The other thing too is that if what @UVB-76 was saying is true that he just slammed the forward assist before performing SPORTS that isn't the forward assist's fault, that's pure operator error. Now you could attempt the argument that having the forward assist in the first place is inviting that type of fuck up but then by that logic so is a reciprocating charging handle since you could make that same fuckup with one of them.

 

[HumptiDouji]

Now you could attempt the argument that having the forward assist in the first place is inviting that type of fuck up but then by that logic so is a reciprocating charging handle since you could make that same fuckup with one of them.

"What if I'm a retard and do something retarded? Checkmate atheists!"

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

"What if I'm a retard and do something retarded? Checkmate atheists!"

It's that adjustable gas block argument we had a few pages ago all over again.