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WhoBusTank is right in that most designs usually have a bunch of pins and a internal rib directly molded into the part. I can't find a picture of the core side of their mold, only the cavity side so I can't comment on what features are on the inside.

I was able to find this picture form 8 months ago that shows their sonic welding fixture.
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Maybe they just fixed the cycle times (cooling, etc.) which made the halves more uniform? Or they figured out a different fixture.
If they were having warping issues that is definitely a cooling channel or flow path issue. I am really curious now as to who designed their tooling. I wouldn’t be surprised if they decided to do it in-house. A lot of CAD packages have a mold wizard built in. Having used them for progressive die design they are great time savers IF you understand what goes into making an efficient die set. I could see them just assuming they could design the tooling with this easy wizard and save on engineering costs.
Holy fucktarded QA/QC batman; that isn't just a molding defect, it's been gouged out by a swivel-knife, most likely during secondary finishing process while trimming flash.
That top is so misaligned that they needed to put it on a mill to fix it. That is definitely milling marks. @HelpingNoone is right the wavyness of the edge of the of the mill path implies unevenness in the part. This would most likely be from poor mold design.
A top-tier mold design has ZERO flashing. The last company I worked at wouldn't have allowed ANY flashing on a part. It was straight to packaging or annealing from the mold. There was millions of dollars into the engineering of that mold that YOU were running the mold wrong if you were getting flashing.
I work on the engineering side for metal stamping but it’s the same idea. By the time dies hit the production floor they have been engineered and prototyped to death. If you start getting burrs on the products before 50,000 hits it is not an engineering issue.
 
Ian's selling repros of the vest from heat and did a pretty nice ghetto match/demo vid with a few decidedly non-Karlonian homies out in the desert.

Those look so fucking sick. I'm totally broke right now though. I spent all my LARP vest money on numerous Bosnian War-era vests from the Balkans. I wish I could get one of those right now.
 
Ironic considering one of the major claims from Ian and Cucksarda is the superior quality of modern polymer. I don't care about the argument but it's funny that their godly "inRange approved" polymer receivers have widespread manufacturing defects.
The mold might be okay aside from fitment issues but mating the two halves is where the failure is quite clear. I can forgive fractions of millimeters but holy shit does this look bad for the regulated part of a gun.

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It depends, but I can only assume the only alignment they do is based on the takedown pins due to inconsistencies with the grip/buttstock.
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Same guy who posted the fucked up lower posted this, apparently there's some really weird shit going on at KE Arms if they're this wildly different. Bonus points for the cavernous seams towards the rear - really inspires confidence.

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Another guy had a breakage in the buffer cavity that proceeded to become an obstruction, but he wont inspect further and instead opts to run it until it dies.
Goddammit. As retarded as the WWSD rifle is, I really like the concept of the monolithic polymer lower, I thought there had to have been at least one element of this shitshow which was salvageable.

How do they look at this kind of production and quality inconsistency and feel good about selling it?
 
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Goddammit. As retarded as the WWSD rifle is, I really like the concept of the monolithic polymer lower, I thought there had to have been at least one element of this shitshow which was salvageable.

How do they look at this kind of production and quality inconsistency and feel good about selling it?
Whenever a bad product is made, it's a combination of two mindsets: "this is good" and, more often, "this is fine." "This is good" is delusion, "this is fine" is laziness. KE is saying "good enough, let's ship it" because they don't want to spend much time on QC, they just stop caring at some point during manufacture and are ready to move on to the next one. The "this is good" comes into play when they're hyping the product up for consoomers.
Whenever you see something that's poorly made (particularly movies/video content), it's a fun mental game to try and figure out which parts of it were born from "this is good" and which were "this is fine."
 
It depends, but I can only assume the only alignment they do is based on the takedown pins due to inconsistencies with the grip/buttstock.
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Same guy who posted the fucked up lower posted this, apparently there's some really weird shit going on at KE Arms if they're this wildly different. Bonus points for the cavernous seams towards the rear - really inspires confidence.

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Another guy had a breakage in the buffer cavity that proceeded to become an obstruction, but he wont inspect further and instead opts to run it until it dies.

Yeah they mill the flashing after. They just went overboard to hide the mistake on the cheek.

But yeah, they probably have some people running a swivel/deburring tool up and down, gouging the shit out of everwhere else.
Hell here is Phagan using a file on the magwell.

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A top-tier mold design has ZERO flashing. The last company I worked at wouldn't have allowed ANY flashing on a part. It was straight to packaging or annealing from the mold. There was millions of dollars into the engineering of that mold that YOU were running the mold wrong if you were getting flashing.

At least not until the mold ran hundreds of thousands of times and wore down...
My favorite part about this whole thing is looking back on their WWSD promo video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqf6RXPyD4A) where Russel actually says "The people buying What Would Stoner Do rifles, I think, are the upper tier of educated users."

Yes, buying anything remotely attached to Gun Jesus despite being told it's completely normal to have misaligned moldings, gaping seams, and that you may have to manually re-size your springs or else your safety will fall out is what 'the upper tier of educated users' would do. You could probably sell them horse piss for mouth wash if it said Forgotten Weapons on the bottle.
 
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I don't know about you guys, but when I buy a $1700 brand new rifle, I want it to just work right out the box. There's a point where you're spending too much money to even have to be concerned about the potential for having to do work to make it run.
 
Will be interesting to see if Ian addresses the disasterous release or if he will quietly back away.

I think he'll try to ghost the whole thing and distance his brand, along with doing channel collaborations. At this point he has to know the WWSD will end up on the list of forgotten weapons he'll never feature.

Think of them doing an In-Range mud test on a WWSD rifle; something tells me that'll never happen, but it's fun to imagine the amount of damage that nasty mud would do to those shitty plastic receivers. I wouldn't be surprised if it split at the seams.
 
My favorite part about this whole thing is looking back on their WWSD promo video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqf6RXPyD4A) where Russel actually says "The people buying What Would Stoner Do rifles, I think, are the upper tier of educated users."

Yes, buying anything remotely attached to Gun Jesus despite being told it's completely normal to have to have misaligned moldings, gaping seams, and that you may have to manually re-size your springs or else your safety will fall out is what 'the upper tier of educated users' would do. You could probably sell them horse piss for mouth wash if it said Forgotten Weapons on the bottle.
It's because FW is a cult and Ian's cultists are usually about the most dumbest of users. Of course he's going to tell those retards they're smart and only smart people buy our shitty plastic rifle.
 
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I'm getting more and more interested in phagan, he doesn't seem to go on self righteous sperg rants like Karl but I think he might actually be the more autistic of the two. It's also kind of curious how the rift between inrange and fw seemed to happen once phagan got more involved.
 
I'm getting more and more interested in phagan, he doesn't seem to go on self righteous sperg rants like Karl but I think he might actually be the more autistic of the two. It's also kind of curious how the rift between inrange and fw seemed to happen once phagan got more involved.
The split happened before phagan, likely when Karl got Yoko'd by that girl he was sharing with the other guy.
 
Yes, buying anything remotely attached to Gun Jesus despite being told it's completely normal to have misaligned moldings, gaping seams, and that you may have to manually re-size your springs or else your safety will fall out is what 'the upper tier of educated users' would do. You could probably sell them horse piss for mouth wash if it said Forgotten Weapons on the bottle.
I recall he said something (not even that long ago) about how the Hudson H9 and the HMG Sturmgewehr has taught him to be much more careful about promoting projects and products, because he realized that he can push things in the wrong direction.

With how he hasn't done much together with Karl in a while, and hasn't talked that much about the WWSD rifle, you wonder if he kinda saw the writing on the wall for that project. He shot the rifle in Finland and all, but that's also a pre-production rifle, right? It's probably handfitted and holds up fine, and the rifle was built to be light and from the perspective of him and another threegunner, it SHOULD do fine for this, even if the actual production is another matter.

I think he'll try to ghost the whole thing and distance his brand, along with doing channel collaborations. At this point he has to know the WWSD will end up on the list of forgotten weapons he'll never feature.
Well, he managed to do the Hudson pistols retroactively.

Think of them doing an In-Range mud test on a WWSD rifle; something tells me that'll never happen, but it's fun to imagine the amount of damage that nasty mud would do to those shitty plastic receivers. I wouldn't be surprised if it split at the seams.
The welds would have to be just completely fucked if they came apart from that, the manufacturing consistency is bad, but the plastic material itself is probably pretty strong, and if the halves were reasonably aligned when welded together they should hold up well, even if there's lots of fitment issues and flashing.

The mud test is to see how much mud gets into the action of a gun and how well it handles it. Being a pretty typical AR15, it probably keeps it out well enough, but the question of fitment would come up, possibly there's enough slop between the receivers that it would create an ingress point.
Of course, the In-Range Mudtest isn't particularly scientific.
 
I'm getting more and more interested in phagan, he doesn't seem to go on self righteous sperg rants like Karl but I think he might actually be the more autistic of the two. It's also kind of curious how the rift between inrange and fw seemed to happen once phagan got more involved.
I remember him from TFR over at SA and he wasn't more autistic than most users there. He was banned from there recently for defending a cop for killing an uppity negro, can't remember which one.
If you can get the SA archives it might be worth it to trawl through TFR and see how many guntubers were posting there.
 
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