General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

[teriyakiburns]

This links to your post, Teriyaki! How exciting!

At last, fame!

 

[:gold:]

Oh there is some irony there.

Reddit and Furaffinity?
Tell me more, please.

 

[Fentanyl Floyd]

Oh there is some irony there.

No you're just an idiot

 

[Doppio Vinegar]

So you are saying it isn't a vagina...but these are still women irregardless. Its the same idea for ciswomen getting neovaginas, they are a replacement albet not quite the real thing. Why can't that apple to mtfs?

You misconstrue my point, @ryu289. These are real women, and these are real vaginas. The fact that cheek tissue doesn't replicate vaginal tissue does not make the "neovagina" no longer a vagina. The woman was supposed to have a vagina there, and she had part of a vagina there already, and it's therefore just extending a vaginal canal while using cheek tissue to make the canal work like a real vagina, given you can't stretch the rest of the vaginal wall to fit where it was extended. It's a vagina because it belongs to a woman and functions just as a vagina should.

Men do not have vaginas. There is no surgery to extend their vaginal canal to where it should properly be, since there shouldn't be a vaginal canal there to begin with. There is no uterus to tunnel towards and restore access to. There are no ovaries, no fallopian tubes. If they are given a fake vaginal canal, it does not function the way a vagina does. It doesn't expand and contract naturally when aroused- it stays open constantly instead of a woman's vagina which only has 3 inches of depth when unaroused before expanding when aroused, it doesn't lubricate itself (unless with the anal fluid you have a fetish for, but even then, that's not self-lubricating), and by that, it doesn't clean itself out. Any bacteria must be manually washed out unless infection festers. You have to pull out hairballs covered in dead skin and whatever fluids you put into your rot pocket. There are no mucosa membranes, no vaginal linings- your partner will feel like he's sticking his penis into a belly button.

A woman's neovagina is a corrective surgery that puts a vagina where it should be, thus it's a simple process that does not require lifetime dilation, nor even a year of dilation. A man's neovagina is a cosmetic surgery that puts a vagina where a vagina shouldn't be, thus it's a long, complicated process involving ruining a functioning sex organ to replace it with a pocket that can never, ever be used for reproduction. It will require lifetime dilation. You will always need to dilate to make sure your rotting wound will not seal up on itself, and if it does, you need surgery again to open it back up.

A woman is a woman. A man is a man. It doesn't matter that you want to put your dick in a necrotic wound. Enjoy your ban from r/Transgender_Surgeries!

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Heh.

 

[WinchesterWhiskey]

I got an interesting question. I've met insanely far right and far left troons. I've met unironic communist trannies and unironic Nazi tranies, yet both sides claim that their side would "never ever kill people like them." Does estrogen do this to men? Dulls senses to the point of blatant denial of reality? Why are they generally so fucking extreme in their political leanings? One of my brown skinned friends got told by one of the far right ones "When we rise up, they'll kill you before they consider killing me."

 

[Scolopendra Dramatica]

I got an interesting question. I've met insanely far right and far left troons. I've met unironic communist trannies and unironic Nazi tranies, yet both sides claim that their side would "never ever kill people like them." Does estrogen do this to men? Dulls senses to the point of blatant denial of reality? Why are they generally so fucking extreme in their political leanings? One of my brown skinned friends got told by one of the far right ones "When we rise up, they'll kill you before they consider killing me."

They're mentally ill before the horse piss even hits their system. Can you imagine the kind of black and white childish thinking that it takes to go "Hmm, well I failed at being a man, I know, I MUST be a woman!" in the first place?

Then you drain T, which is a natural confidence booster and mood duller and then you add a hormone that shouldn't be there and specialises in maintaining a child-bearing body to a body without any of associated facilities and wonder why they're a bit unhinged?

Jesus, they're taking male thought patterns and trying to make it work around female mood systems with none of the naturally fluctuating regulating systems that keep females from failing en masse. It's not just sad for the troons, who history will look back on like elective lobotomies, but it's downright dangerous for everyone around them.

This is what happens when we abandon biological knowledge that predates humanity and try to play god. Thank fuck we're a weird breed of mammal that can choose to ignore our baser instincts because that's the shoestring upon which societies riding right now.

Fucking troons make me so MATI.

 

[ProtonMailManTheSequel]

The only good tranny is a dead tranny.

There. I said it.

 

[WinchesterWhiskey]

I can't reply to the last person who @'d me for some reason because I might be retarded, but it still confuses me. Maybe I'm just thinking of this from the sane, rational, and semi mentally ill anxiety and post traumatic ridden self that is me(grew up in Detroit), but I just can't wrap my head around how you could support authoritarian regimes that would have you lined up and shot(and in some cases blatantly castrated) for your sexual preferences. Has the world just not slammed the door in their face and are they so willingly ignorant they'd walk face first into a bayonet to realize they're wrong?

Another great question I have is what is it with troons and hypersexuality? It's always some stupid fucking joke about "cock" or "cum." Keep in mind, I worked as a mechanic jokes like that are common but troons seem to have this thing where talking about sex becomes their entire personality and reason of just being.

 

[ProtonMailManTheSequel]

I can't reply to the last person who @'d me for some reason because I might be retarded, but it still confuses me. Maybe I'm just thinking of this from the sane, rational, and semi mentally ill anxiety and post traumatic ridden self that is me(grew up in Detroit), but I just can't wrap my head around how you could support authoritarian regimes that would have you lined up and shot(and in some cases blatantly castrated) for your sexual preferences. Has the world just not slammed the door in their face and are they so willingly ignorant they'd walk face first into a bayonet to realize they're wrong?

Another great question I have is what is it with troons and hypersexuality? It's always some stupid fucking joke about "cock" or "cum." Keep in mind, I worked as a mechanic jokes like that are common but troons seem to have this thing where talking about sex becomes their entire personality and reason of just being.

I mean, they have structured their ENTIRE EXISTENCE around a highly dubious sexual fetish that is impossible to hide from the public (indeed, parading it before the public is at least 2/3 of the point).

What were you expecting?

 

[thyme]

I can't reply to the last person who @'d me for some reason because I might be retarded, but it still confuses me. Maybe I'm just thinking of this from the sane, rational, and semi mentally ill anxiety and post traumatic ridden self that is me(grew up in Detroit), but I just can't wrap my head around how you could support authoritarian regimes that would have you lined up and shot(and in some cases blatantly castrated) for your sexual preferences. Has the world just not slammed the door in their face and are they so willingly ignorant they'd walk face first into a bayonet to realize they're wrong?

Another great question I have is what is it with troons and hypersexuality? It's always some stupid fucking joke about "cock" or "cum." Keep in mind, I worked as a mechanic jokes like that are common but troons seem to have this thing where talking about sex becomes their entire personality and reason of just being.

Great questions and I hate to say it but at this point questioning their motives is like questioning why flies are attracted to shit or why cockroaches fuck in the dark. Sure, they have reasons, but it's just nasty all the way down.

To try and seriously answer your questions, from my perspective-

1. The appeal of authoritarian regimes: I imagine the trannies only entertain these fantasies because they imagine they will be the 'oppressors', which aligns with their greater want of power and control. They just want to tell everyone what to do and not have to explain themselves. Most trannies are tired of others telling them their whole lives to stop being pests or weirdos, and ended up developing complexes instead of working on these issues.

The disconnect with reality regarding the fact that they'd be labor at best or just killed in a true authoritarian regime I personally believe is a combination of 'no true Scotsman' (so-and-so didnt do communism the right way so it doesnt count!) and their bottomless pit of pride/narcissism (I'm great and one day the whole world will agree!)

2. Hypersexuality: Just horny, narcissistic men who don't get none, but instead of being just a facet of their life, they made it into their identity. This is helped along by the internet, because now all these guys are able to easily find and communicate with each other, creating a negative feedback loop that ends up with them pushing each other to be more and more gross. They also get an added benefit if they 'believe' the compliments dished by their fellow trannies- it affirms to them that they are right and special and desireable, which feeds their narcissism.

I feel like your real question, though, is how they're able to be so disconnected from reality. Kinda dark but this is the first comparison that came to mind- have you spoken with someone who has been suicidal before? & for example, they're convinced the whole world is shit and working against them, and that they'll never be able to achieve anything? A rational person knows these are not true claims and will argue that with the suicidal person to try and help them see the world in a better light and take control of their life again.

Trannydom is like a bastardized version of suicidality. They believe similarly to the hypothetical suicidal person above, but they decided the solution was that they're actually women, not that they have flaws to work on, or that goals take hard work to achieve, or that everyone has limitations and that's okay. Not everyone can be an astronaut, after all. So everything loops back in on the trannydom to keep their world view stable, lest they fall the fuck apart and kill themselves.

Unless the tranny has it in them to face uncomfortable truths about themselves, they literally have to explain away reality to keep themselves 'sane'. They are living lies and have more incentive to entertain delusion, than to align with reality.

 

[Baloney Face]

Can't prove it's real, but laying it on you anyway.

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[Pentex]

Presented without comment because what the hell do you say to this?

 

[teriyakiburns]

Can't prove it's real, but laying it on you anyway.

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I could believe it's real.

Presented without comment because what the hell do you say to this?

Michael Jackson sure aged well?

Just from the first few minutes, it's obvious this guy was an affection-starved child who latched on to the first real, loving attention he got and was completely ruined by it.

 

[ProtonMailManTheSequel]

Can't prove it's real, but laying it on you anyway.

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I saw this too: almost shat my pants laughing so hard!

Sucks to be them!

Presented without comment because what the hell do you say to this?

And another thing. Why do these dudes so often seem to embark on their "journey" at an age when most men (people) are -- shall we say well into the "starting to calm down a bit' phase of their lives? I mean I would think the only thing a lesbian wants to see less than some naked dude with a woody in the ladies' locker room would be a "collecting old age pension" naked dude in the ladies' locker room with what passes as a woody in the retirement home.

Not only do these guys not do "sex appropriate," they seem to have no concept of "age appropriate," either.

Gross squared.

 

[hamsters are cool]

Please, everyone here acting like they could clock any tranny.

 

[KateHikes14]

Please, everyone here acting like they could clock any tranny.

You don't pass IRL and you never will.
When they can control all the lighting and angles very few pass through pictures, even less so for videos.

 

[Spunt]

This is an interesting article if you're a seasoned BBC watcher:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-wiltshire-58498833

Spoiler: Article Text

Wiltshire PCC criticises Stonewall trans policy on women-only areas​

A police and crime commissioner has said trans women should not be allowed to use "private enclosed spaces such as women's prisons and female toilets".
Wiltshire PCC Philip Wilkinson was criticising the policies of LGBTQ+ charity Stonewall.
He said he would not support promoting a "narrow ideology that is exclusive, divisive and potentially dangerous".
Stonewall said there was no evidence that inclusion compromised safety.
Wiltshire Police was a member of Stonewall's diversity programme for the last four years, up until this summer.
The charity aims to ensure that all LGBTQ+ staff are accepted in the workplace and added it was "disappointing that in 2021, this can still be thought of as controversial".

Mr Wilkinson was throwing his support behind the PCC for Surrey, Lisa Townsend, who said that Stonewall had become "a well-funded lobby group for a dangerous ideology that threatens the safety of our women and girls".
Writing on the Conservative Home website, he said: "I believe that we should treat every other human being with respect and courtesy irrespective of their sex, gender or sexual orientation.
"I therefore agree entirely with the sentiments expressed by Lisa Townsend.
"Like her, I do not believe that the vast majority of women in this country wish to allow biological men into their private enclosed spaces such as women's prisons and female toilets.
"That is a matter of public security and not inclusiveness. I will not support any organisation that promotes such a narrow and exclusive agenda and if necessary, that includes Stonewall."
Mr Wilkinson insists while he is supportive of LGBTQ+ rights, the issue of trans women being allowed to use certain facilities was a "matter of common sense".

He added he would treat every individual case with compassion, but that his duty is to protect all women.

Responding to the PCC's remarks, Wiltshire Police said it was committed to increasing diversity within the force.
It added that while it had taken the decision not to renew its membership with Stonewall, it was a member of the Inclusive Companies scheme.
It said: "We are determined to cultivate an inclusive environment which champions the rights of every single officer, staff member and volunteer."
Also commenting on Ms Townsend's remarks, Mark Shelford, the PCC for Avon and Somerset, described the topic as "very complex and sensitive", but said he fully supported her view.
He added: "I have shared my concerns with the temporary chief constable and I will be formally asking Avon and Somerset Police to consider their use of consultation and advisory services from Stonewall when their contract comes up for renewal this October.

"I will ask that they either work with Stonewall to change their policies to better reflect the public's concern regarding the safety of women and girls or end their contract."

'Inclusion makes the world safer'​

A Stonewall spokesperson said: "Trans people are who they say they are, which is why they have always been able to use facilities that match their gender, without issue.
"Our inclusion policies are based on evidence, and there is no statistical evidence to suggest that LGBTQ+ inclusion compromises anyone's safety - in fact the majority of women (66% according to an Equality and Human Rights Commission survey) reported that they were comfortable with trans people using public toilets corresponding to their gender.
"Lesbian, gay, bi, trans and queer inclusion makes the world a safer place for all of us."

[For Americans, Police and Crime Commissioners are elected politicians with limited power over policing policy in their area - nowhere near as powerful as an elected DA, Judge or Sheriff would be in the US, pretty much there to make people think that they have any control whatsoever over the Police, which they don't.]

The actual issue being discussed is a big nothingburger, but a metatextual reading of the BBC article is interesting. 99% of the time, any BBC story about a public figure speaking out against transgenderism will lead with criticism of those remarks, usually in the headline itself. Something like - "Outrage at "transphobic" remarks by politician" or "Minister criticised for "anti-trans" policy". 80% of the article, including the first paragraph, will focus on the "outrage" and the "criticism", the actual point the person made will be buried under an avalanche of people claiming they are ultra-turbo-Hitler. This of course is typical for the BBC's "impartiality" - presenting both sides, but using the structure and headlines to push the agenda anyway - I've even caught them using NLP techniques in articles to persuade the reader. Any pictures, especially the first and biggest, will be of the critics, not the politician who said the WrongThink.

But not this article. The headline discusses the PCC's actions - even leads on them criticising Stonewall, the UK's biggest LGBT pressure group. 80% of the article discusses not one but two PCCs who have decided to cut ties with Stonewall over transgender bathroom policy. Despite the BBC having acted as Stonewall's unofficial PR division for the best part of the last decade, Stonewall themselves only get two paragraphs to put their point across, the same that any anti-trans person or group would usually get in a typical BBC article. Incredibly, there are no pictures of Angry Trannies in the article, two pictures are of the two PCCs who have spoken out against Stonewall, and the third is a very generic stock photo of some rainbow flags.

An aberration, or a sign of even the BBC reaching Peak Trans?

(I'll keep an eye on the article because the BBC are notorious for re-writing articles without attribution - interesting to see if it remains unaltered. Archive is being shit at the moment but most BBC articles are backed up daily to the Wayback Machine.)

 

[DavidS877]

You don't pass IRL and you never will.
When they can control all the lighting and angles very few pass through pictures, even less so for videos.

There's a tranny on a CW show I watch. When he first started he was a bit hard to clock but as he's aged it's significantly more obvious even through all the filters and makeup.

 

[KateHikes14]

There's a tranny on a CW show I watch. When he first started he was a bit hard to clock but as he's aged it's significantly more obvious even through all the filters and makeup.

Tfw the most powerful, richest, and dedicated propaganda machines the world has yet seen, can only produce "a bit hard to clock" with the highest quality trannies the west has to offer.

 

[ProtonMailManTheSequel]

If you can't tell a man from a woman you're a faggot.

Simple as.