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Where is the line drawn when it comes to someone that is an "actual" tranny? I've never met or heard of an competent "real" tranny but I have had a pretty competent co-worker who said they were transgender, but was clearly groomed by discord admins and/or grifting. No effort put in at all and whenever someone called them "her" (they said they were a trans male) she didn't react and just moved on. Interested to see these replies.
 
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Where is the line drawn when it comes to someone that is an "actual" tranny? I've never met or heard of an competent "real" tranny but I have had a pretty competent co-worker who said they were transgender, but was clearly groomed by discord admins and/or grifting. No effort put in at all and whenever someone called them "her" (they said they were a trans male) she didn't react and just moved on. Interested to see these replies.
If someone actually meets the differential diagnosis criteria that were done away with recently, has actual dysphoria as the result of their gender, and it isn't just performative bullshit to get positive attention, I consider it legitimately something that deserves sympathy. When someone just smears on some makeup, babbles about "gender euphoria," and is connected to a bunch of similar idiots who don't even pretend to act like the opposite sex but expect to be treated as the most oppressed minority of all time, despite more or less having taken over popular culture, fuck them. Not literally, I mean, put them to the sword or whatever object is available.

These clowns expect us to believe their fucked up cult suddenly unearthed something like 10 times the amount of trannies that previously existed, rather than this just being some weird cultural contagion.

The "real" transgenders are way more likely to acknowledge they aren't and never will be the sex they identify with, and are vastly outnumbered by the idiots from social media who are spreading a communicable mental illness, which is kind of funny considering our current era of being obsessed with contagious stuff.

I hope it ends with a nuclear war. Because fuck this gay planet.
 
@AnOminous I’ve been talking about this for a year now but I’m fairly certain we know exactly where this is going to end. Lawsuits. Hundreds of them. All of these entities will get sued the fuck over in 5-10 years when people realize that they’ve done permanent damage to their children, themselves, friends, ect. Think of it as a combination of people suing companies for asbestos (irreversible damage) + the metoo movement (pedos).
 
@AnOminous I’ve been talking about this for a year now but I’m fairly certain we know exactly where this is going to end. Lawsuits. Hundreds of them. All of these entities will get sued the fuck over in 5-10 years when people realize that they’ve done permanent damage to their children, themselves, friends, ect. Think of it as a combination of people suing companies for asbestos (irreversible damage) + the metoo movement (pedos).
I doubt by the so-called "parents." Most of this is just pure Munchausen's by proxy shit. The desire to troon out didn't come from the kids, it was from some fucked-up psycho mom who would have rather had a girl, so she decides to troon out her male child, chop off his cock, and turn him into a freak for life.
 
I doubt by the so-called "parents." Most of this is just pure Munchausen's by proxy shit. The desire to troon out didn't come from the kids, it was from some fucked-up psycho mom who would have rather had a girl, so she decides to troon out her male child, chop off his cock, and turn him into a freak for life.
With ROGD and discord being things a lot of the parents are just along for the ride to varying degrees of acceptance. We will know the tide is turning when LGBT groups are pushing to limit medical liability for detransition cases.
 
Where is the line drawn when it comes to someone that is an "actual" tranny? I've never met or heard of an competent "real" tranny but I have had a pretty competent co-worker who said they were transgender, but was clearly groomed by discord admins and/or grifting. No effort put in at all and whenever someone called them "her" (they said they were a trans male) she didn't react and just moved on. Interested to see these replies.
My line is when they're born with a tangible mental defect(Like Pad) or are born with weird intersex fucked up genitals.
 
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Well what do you know, the BBC has completely re-written that article about the PCC to imply much more criticism of his position. Text deleted from the original article marked in red. Text added to the new article marked in blue.

Wiltshire PCC criticises Stonewall trans policy on women-only areas​

A police and crime commissioner has said trans women should not be allowed to use "private enclosed spaces such as women's prisons and female toilets".
Wiltshire PCC Philip Wilkinson was criticising the policies of LGBTQ+ charity Stonewall.
He said he would not support promoting a "narrow ideology that is exclusive, divisive and potentially dangerous".

Stonewall said there was no evidence that inclusion compromised safety.
Wiltshire Police was a member of Stonewall's diversity programme for the last four years, up until this summer.
The charity aims to ensure that all LGBTQ+ staff are accepted in the workplace and added it was "disappointing that in 2021, this can still be thought of as controversial".

Mr Wilkinson was throwing his support behind the PCC for Surrey, Lisa Townsend, who said that Stonewall had become "a well-funded lobby group for a dangerous ideology that threatens the safety of our women and girls".
Writing on the Conservative Home website, he said: "I believe that we should treat every other human being with respect and courtesy irrespective of their sex, gender or sexual orientation.
"I therefore agree entirely with the sentiments expressed by Lisa Townsend.
"Like her, I do not believe that the vast majority of women in this country wish to allow biological men into their private enclosed spaces such as women's prisons and female toilets.

"That is a matter of public security and not inclusiveness. I will not support any organisation that promotes such a narrow and exclusive agenda and if necessary, that includes Stonewall."
Mr Wilkinson insists while he is supportive of LGBTQ+ rights, the issue of trans women being allowed to use certain facilities was a "matter of common sense".

He added he would treat every individual case with compassion, but that his duty is to protect all women.


Responding to the PCC's remarks, Wiltshire Police said it was committed to increasing diversity within the force.
It added that while it had taken the decision not to renew its membership with Stonewall, it was a member of the Inclusive Companies scheme.
It said: "We are determined to cultivate an inclusive environment which champions the rights of every single officer, staff member and volunteer."
Also commenting on Ms Townsend's remarks, Mark Shelford, the PCC for Avon and Somerset, described the topic as "very complex and sensitive", but said he fully supported her view.
He added: "I have shared my concerns with the temporary chief constable and I will be formally asking Avon and Somerset Police to consider their use of consultation and advisory services from Stonewall when their contract comes up for renewal this October.

"I will ask that they either work with Stonewall to change their policies to better reflect the public's concern regarding the safety of women and girls or end their contract."

'Inclusion makes the world safer'​

A Stonewall spokesperson said: "Trans people are who they say they are, which is why they have always been able to use facilities that match their gender, without issue.
"Our inclusion policies are based on evidence, and there is no statistical evidence to suggest that LGBTQ+ inclusion compromises anyone's safety - in fact the majority of women (66% according to an Equality and Human Rights Commission survey) reported that they were comfortable with trans people using public toilets corresponding to their gender.
"Lesbian, gay, bi, trans and queer inclusion makes the world a safer place for all of us."

Wiltshire PCC criticises Stonewall trans policy on women-only areas​

A police and crime commissioner has reiterated comments about how trans women should not be allowed to use some women-only spaces.
Wiltshire PCC Philip Wilkinson said there had been "much debate" since he criticised the policies of charity Stonewall.
Being trans is a protected characteristic in law, meaning people cannot be discriminated against.

Stonewall said there was no evidence that inclusion compromised safety.
Mr Wilkinson said he believed in inclusivity and diversity along with trans rights but did not support those "who use their strength to intimidate those less strong".
Wiltshire Police was a member of Stonewall's diversity programme for the last four years, up until this summer.

The charity aims to ensure that all LGBTQ+ staff are accepted in the workplace and added it was "disappointing that in 2021, this can still be thought of as controversial".
According to the Equality and Human Rights Commission, being transgender is a protected characteristic under the Equality Act, meaning organisations and businesses are not allowed to bar anyone from using facilities for their "gender identity" except "in very restricted circumstances".
In a landmark case in 2014, a transgender woman won her claim for discrimination against a pub in Halifax that refused to allow her to use the women's toilets.

Mr Wilkinson initially spoke in support of
the PCC for Surrey, Lisa Townsend, who said that Stonewall had become "a well-funded lobby group for a dangerous ideology that threatens the safety of our women and girls".
He said trans people should not be allowed in "private enclosed spaces such as women's prisons and female toilets".
After acknowledging that his comments had angered some, Mr Wilkinson released a further statement saying he believed in inclusivity and diversity and would treat every individual with "care and compassion".

That included people who are experiencing gender issues, are gender fluid or are in transition, he added.
But Mr Wilkinson also said: "But I will not support those who use their strength to intimidate those less strong, or to exploit any circumstances to intimidate or harm others."

'Narrow and exclusive agenda'

In his original statement on the Conservative Home website he said: "Like her [Lisa Townsend], I do not believe that the vast majority of women in this country wish to allow biological men into their private enclosed spaces such as women's prisons and female toilets.
"That is a matter of public security and not inclusiveness. I will not support any organisation that promotes such a narrow and exclusive agenda and if necessary, that includes Stonewall."

Responding to the PCC's remarks, Wiltshire Police said it was committed to increasing diversity within the force.
It added that while it had taken the decision not to renew its membership with Stonewall, it was a member of the Inclusive Companies scheme.

It said: "We are determined to cultivate an inclusive environment which champions the rights of every single officer, staff member and volunteer."
Also commenting on Ms Townsend's remarks, Mark Shelford, the PCC for Avon and Somerset, described the topic as "very complex and sensitive", but said he fully supported her view.
He added: "I have shared my concerns with the temporary chief constable and I will be formally asking Avon and Somerset Police to consider their use of consultation and advisory services from Stonewall when their contract comes up for renewal this October.
"I will ask that they either work with Stonewall to change their policies to better reflect the public's concern regarding the safety of women and girls or end their contract."

'Queer inclusion makes world safer'​

The Government Equality Office confirmed The Equality Act protected trans people from discrimination, meaning they can use single-sex spaces in their acquired gender.
But the act also allows for access to be restricted in certain circumstances, for example if a group counselling female victims of sexual assault felt that women would not attend if a transgender woman was there.

A Stonewall spokesperson said: "Trans people are who they say they are, which is why they have always been able to use facilities that match their gender, without issue.
"Our inclusion policies are based on evidence, and there is no statistical evidence to suggest that LGBTQ+ inclusion compromises anyone's safety - in fact the majority of women (66% according to an Equality and Human Rights Commission survey) reported that they were comfortable with trans people using public toilets corresponding to their gender.
"Lesbian, gay, bi, trans and queer inclusion makes the world a safer place for all of us."

I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions on how the tone and message of the article has been altered.

Fuck the BBC.
 
Where is the line drawn when it comes to someone that is an "actual" tranny?
There is no "standard" other than self-identification.

There is of course the school of thought that says there is no such thing as "transgender" except as a misleading catch all for a variety of different (not necessarily related) pathologies.

Philosophically speaking I tend toward that position, but as a practical matter I'm OK with the fashionable terminology as long as one doesn't take it too seriously (and get pissy about it).
 
That link gave links to heald up neovaginas. Obviously you are a child who needs to be spoonfed instead of taking intiative when give sources.
But fine, here they are: https://imgur.com/a/C9YXz#cv3Eopw
A few might look weird but they seem fuckable.
These people wouldn't be able to enjoy sex due to having wrecked nerve endings and no g-spot, though.
 
If you can't tell a man from a woman you're a faggot.
@AnOminous I’ve been talking about this for a year now but I’m fairly certain we know exactly where this is going to end. Lawsuits. Hundreds of them. All of these entities will get sued the fuck over in 5-10 years when people realize that they’ve done permanent damage to their children, themselves, friends, ect. Think of it as a combination of people suing companies for asbestos (irreversible damage) + the metoo movement (pedos).
This.

Times about 500,000,000.

Dollars, that is.

That's all I'm going to say lest I run afoul of the Powerleveling Gods.
 
My line is when they're born with a tangible mental defect(Like Pad) or are born with weird intersex fucked up genitals.
It's something that these communities really should have gatekept, but its too late for any of that at this point. I think that intersex people generally have done a good job at distancing themselves from trans shit and seem to take the wise route of not airing their business and genitals in public and trying to keep to themselves.

I think that there are genuinely "trans" people out there, but would say that we've attached far too much social relevance to the term than is really healthy.

By definition, being trans is a mental illness. You have something wrong with your mind where said mind perceives a wrongness in your body and associates that with gender. If this causes enough discomfort for it to impact your every day life, it is by default an illness. There should have never been an attempt to sugar coat it. I think one criteria that trans people should have is gender dysphoria. The fact that you have "trans-folk" out there now claiming that you do not need dysphoria to be trans is a stupidity which should not have been allowed to take over.

From that, I think its also fair to point out that treating a mental illness can often take different routes and is very dependent upon an individual case unto itself. Something that was once brought up in trans discussions was that SRS wasn't the default option, but a very, very rare last resort. What people seem to forget is that there is also a desistance rate among trans youth, where even though they may feel dysphoria while younger, that this actually has tended to lessen considerably once they reach their 30s. There are other options for gender dysphoria, such as therapy. It used to also be that in order for someone to get SRS, doctors needed to actually ensure that said person was in therapy for an extensive period of time and in some cases already living as their gender of choice in all but surgery (Hell, if cross dressing was the max extent that trans teenagers were getting into, that may be fine unto itself).

Where we are at now is somewhat ironic, in that gender dysphoria has never emerged in such high numbers during puberty (rapid onset gender dysphoria), which is also the time period when anorexia, bulimia, emo cutting, and numerous other social contagions emerge. You also have the issue that people with numerous mental illnesses who are older are transitioning as well and not being challenged on that. The irony here is that, imagine not having gender dysphoria, cutting off your dick, and then upon waking up you start to have a very real gender dysphoria now- but oops, too late, at best youre a eunuch from now on. These are the people I actually laugh at, and the ones who most often 41% themselves it seems. But fuck them, they've been warned and they spread this shit to other people in a desperate bid to self-convince that they didn't make a mistake and are euphoric instead of crying themselves to sleep every night post surgery after dilation.

There should be a standard for determining who is trans (Id vote gender dysphoria) and who should transition within that percentile (bear in mind the desistance rate or the issue that rapid onset dysphoria seems very, very fake), but the greatest opponents of this would be the TRAs themselves. You even had some scientists attempting to do brainscans to correlate gender dysphoria (whether this could actually happen or not, I don't care, but seems weirdly fakee/specific), but lo and behold, the TRA lobby even rallied against that because you don't need actual dysphoria to be trans! Trans people themselves should be warned that SRS is purely cosmetic and as they age their faux genitals are likely going to age horribly, but they aren't told this. They also seem willfully ignorant or suicidal towards all the complications that come from extensive plastic surgery.

Wish there was a way to determine who was genuinely trans and which genuinely trans people should actually transition, but we bit the bullet on that one in both the medical and TRA community, and both unironically deserve the bullet for damning a chunk of an entire generation into being infertile modern eunuchs. But hay, what kind of fall of civilizations scenario is complete without a eunuch caste, right?
 
Could be serious advice could be performance art trolling.
I'm guessing for it's real. What do you think?

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This shit is disgusting and the level of fakery needed by these insane trannies to try and convince some guy you're a real woman is actually hilarious
And they know, not-so-deep-down, that the other guy already clocked them and is just in it because they're either a chaser or a closet homo. Or desperate.
 
lol so the new JPFO (Jews for the Protection of Firearm's Ownership) newsletter arrived. (Offtopic: I'm a big fan of the JPFO because I support gun rights, but also because they're fucking hilarious. This issue has one section entitled "The Million Shekel Quiz" and another section entitled "the Moyel's Tips".)

Anyway, there was this little quote in the most recent issue:
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It's completely batshit that this even needs to be said nowadays. "but but but what about all the violent felons who identify as women???" (or the rare, occasional legitimately female violent felon)

Don't want this to get into a gun rights debate, there's other threads for that. But this little snippet just made me smile.

Also btw @ryu289 you lazy shit. Sex is binary. Address my post about it.
 
Imo sex is definite science, gender is whatever the fuck I guess a social concept when it comes to self presentation, and I only think that mixed-sex sports are okay if you're keeping every athlete in an equivalent weight/strength class since competition is based on equal resources with the challenge being matching your opponents skill. (meaning all the scrawny waify girls and ftm twinks have their own class and the 6' uberhulk men and mtf butches get their own class, and if you qualify in a class inbetween those extremes where those of either sex fit the criterion, then sure whatever if they can both do it then its alright.) also i classify troons and trans people in my head differently in the way all niggers are black but not all black people are dipshit nigs.

moreso focusing on the transgenderism troon-out plague: i think actually going the drugs and surgery route is extremely harmful for individuals as a rule and not an exception (not an unpopular take), and in general that grs/srs surgeries are a pox on society and should only be given out in the most severe cases, and that instead supportive therapy should have a greater focus when it comes to research and funding.

like, cataloguing the dysfunctionalness of how much or little transness (aka: being an effeminate XY or a masculine XX) affects an individual daily, ie is a disorder, would be useful when it comes to finding what approach works to help troubled individuals.
my logic more or less being if those nonbinaries that only care about gender-euphoria (ie: wow i feel like im true to how i want to present myself and i look the way i want to with a leather jacket/makeup/long hair/etc) can live day-to-day without medically trooning and the most they want are just pronouns + being "faggot that wears skirts sometimes" or "pastel dangerhair dyke but a few steps to the left", while there are people out there necking themselves after or before ditch/meatburrito installation, there needs to be some way to separate out the different areas of "transness" to properly filter real problem cases that are resistant to all but medical intervention vs pozzed media making it a STUNNING AND BRAVE ACT to just wear a skirt bc it's cute and the troon cult using that as recruiting material to put "chop your dick off" thoughts in 15 year olds heads. look at the detrans tombys. blanket treating every "trans" case as the same severity isn't working out at all, and i feel pity about it because kids get groomed or self-munch into trooning out and it ruins them for life.

i feel sorting it into subclasses would be beneficial to gauge what individuals need in therapy when it comes to what underlying issues may be present and thus how to plan ahead to address thsm. for example:
1) you don't have dysphoria, you're being groomed by a cult and it just so happens you're a fruity fag and like yeah whatever that shit happens, but you're being groomed and that's fucked; (may blend into below point)
2) this is how you are coping with other self esteem or life problem issues by trying to escape who you are in the moment by chasing an idealized self, like an lonely child wishing they could isekai and live happily in pokemon world instead and maladaptively coping using that;
3) you have a fetish and you are an AGP or a dedicated fujoshi;
or 4) you actually have gender dysphoria that just happened to manifest by freak chance and wasn't induced by any of the above three "root issues".

I feel like hitting hard at the transgenderism/trooning is more important than anything, bc i feel like that's the particular part of transness that needs to be fucking locked down and figured out because it results in permanent disfiguration and is a symptom of other mental shit that should be treated properly.
the more social fluff like the man in a dress or the he/him tomboy feels relatively harmless in comparison, and i personally don't mind it because i've given into clown world apathy @ MtFs and have one basef FtM buddy who isn't a screeching sjw harpy. and this is just my own autistic self introspection but gender identity (as separate from just defaulting to assigned sex) feels hard to divorce from personality after thinking hard about what makes me identify how i am in the moment outside of sex/genitals. which in part imo makes nonbinary people and gender euphoria make a semblence of sense because if you exclude the sex part and focus on personality and personal satisfaction being the actual shit they mean, well, people come in many different shades and i'd lie if i said i didn't feel like a million bucks when i can wear the outfits i like seeing myself in. my understanding of what "gender dysphoria" is through that lens is more a specific brand of body dysmorphia that you can either be born into or groomed/coaxed into, much like the body dysmorphia that can inflict people and result in anorexia because it's focused on weight rather than genitalia. but i'm a genuine retard and this is my attempt to try and look at gender through the rhetoric/definition about it that I've heard from a few online troons and trans people so /shrug
 
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