General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

[ryu289]

Thank you very much.

I am formulating a working hypothesis that no one really ever fucks these things. My "Null" hypothesis if you will. But I will not reflexively reject plausible enough alleged evidence to the contrary.

I will be the judge of what is plausible "enough" so watch it.

Getting a mere blow job from a tranny does not count. Nor you blowing a pre-op/no-op.

@-ryu289: Please keep it up. This thread's really been hopping since you checked in. Who could want a thread about horrifying mutilation to be a snoozefest of everyone agreeing with each other?

Right, becasue none of you have seen a real vaginia nor have had sex. Have any of you considered that vaginas are gross in general? I doubt Doppo Vinegar hasn't.

 

[thyme]

@ryu289 Jesus Christ shut the fuck up. You're embarrassing yourself by even saying anything to people that genuinely don't give a shit what you say. You have way too much time to argue with people who don't care.

I'm starting to think he's getting off to this. After going through his reddit earlier it's clear he has a tranny fetish.

Makes me think of the tranny Richard Jones who keeps coming back to his kiwi thread just to comment 'Fuck off' because he has a humiliation fetish

 

[Baloney Face]

Right, becasue none of you have seen a real vaginia nor have had sex.

Ohhh SNAP!

I'm starting to think he's getting off to this.

Well of course he is, and some of us are OK with that.

 

[KateHikes14]

Right, becasue none of you have seen a real vaginia nor have had sex. Have any of you considered that vaginas are gross in general? I doubt Doppo Vinegar hasn't.

If you think those (minus the shopped one (it even has obvious artifacts on the second picture)) are fuckable/vagina-like I know who hasn't seen a vagina IRL.

 

[ryu289]

An inverted penis is not a vagina. A vagina has cervix, vaginal muscles, doesn't grow hair inside, doesn't have necrotic tissue inside and isn't lubricated by bowel mucous. Men are not women.

Yeah first off hair can grow in a vaginia: https://www.google.com/search?q=vag...rome..69i57.4414j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Second, the purpose of dilation is to train and stretch the pelvic floor muscles through which the vagina passes. Trans women have the same muscle tissue, but it develops without that opening. It's essentially that the pelvic floor muscles around the vaginal canal are used to being fused together, and dilating is done to help train those muscles to relax.
Also, some cis women do dilate. This isn't exclusive to trans women.

Several medical conditions may warrant the use of vaginal dilation, including superficial dyspareunia, high-tone pelvic floor dysfunction, vaginismus, provoked vestibulodynia, vaginal atrophy, vulvar dermatoses, vaginal agenesis, and postradiation adhesions. Dilation also can be used as deconditioning therapy for psychogenic dyspareunia.

http://www.mdedge.com/obgmanagement...ation-when-its-indicated-and-tips-teaching-it

Women born without a uterus, without those vaginal muscles or the vaginal canal fails to form may (will) also have to dilate. This is called vaginal agenesis.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2687834/
http://www.urologyhealth.org/urology/index.cfm?article=50

Third,
After surgery, the tissue that was previously the penis literally develops into actual, differentiated vaginal tissue. Source

This includes mucosa.

See here for more: https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.gendercare.com/library/italiano_paper1.html

Off course there are also grafts if you hate the idea of "bowel" mucus: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5411318/

As for

If you think those (minus the shopped one (it even has obvious artifacts on the second picture)) are fuckable/vagina-like I know who hasn't seen a vagina IRL

You?

 

[KateHikes14]

You?

I won your game of find the real (photoshopped) vagina so maybe seethe less and trust the adults more. If I need advice on which penises are "feminine" I'll come to you.

 

[Fentanyl Floyd]

@ryu289 what site/discord server are you copy and pasting these studies from?

 

[Doppio Vinegar]

Right, becasue none of you have seen a real vaginia nor have had sex. Have any of you considered that vaginas are gross in general? I doubt Doppo Vinegar hasn't.

Doppo...? This isn't the first time I've been called that, either. Is my name really that hard to spell?

I have been able to be near a vulva my entire life. It's underneath my body instead of angled in front of it, doesn't constantly leak shit juice, and I don't need to dilate every day to prevent my body from closing it up. I never have to put in effort to have and keep a vulva. I will always be a real woman.

(You'd think the man claiming people who haven't seen real "vaginia(s)" would try to fuck the 51% of the global population that actually has vaginas, but no. Stinkditches are so much better than the real thing! Gynecologists can't tell the difference!)

Yeah first off hair can grow in a vaginia: https://www.google.com/search?q=vag...rome..69i57.4414j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Hair grows inside the outer labia to prevent sores from friction, not inside the vagina. A SRS vulva grows hair inside the vagina due to the vagina being made of skin. You have to pull clumps of hair out of the inside of a stinkditch vagina. You do not have to pull clumps of hair out of a real vagina.

Also, some cis women do dilate. This isn't exclusive to trans women.

Cis women ONLY need to dilate for elective C-Sections so that their recovery is easier. Since giving birth through the vaginal canal would normally "dilate" a woman and therefore allow an easier time for blood and lochia drainage, women need to do the same when they know they'll have C-Sections to simulate this. A medical reason, like the ones you listed, is not a natural reason that explains why a woman dilating her vagina is a common thing. This is like saying that since car crash victims need opioids, it's perfectly fine for me to accelerate my car directly into a wall on purpose and take opioids. The idea that actual women frequently need to dilate is a myth.

Women born without a uterus, without those vaginal muscles or the vaginal canal fails to form may (will) also have to dilate. This is called vaginal agenesis.

This is the same argument as "intersex people mean sex and gender aren't real." Birth defects are outliers that are completely irrelevant when compared to the other 99.9% of the population. They do not mean shit in the grand scheme of things.

After surgery, the tissue that was previously the penis literally develops into actual, differentiated vaginal tissue. Source

Why would you bother linking the "source" if it's not even a functional webpage? It makes your argument obviously taken off the first page of Google.

Spoiler: what the webpage looks like as of today

Regardless, when viewed in the Wayback Machine (thanks for giving me the link to all the times it was a saved webpage instead of an actual archive of a saved webpage! you're helping your argument a bunch here!), the paper only says that neovaginas "seem like real vaginas" and are lubricated with feces. There is nothing about penis tissue and mucosa becoming vaginal tissue and mucosa. Try reading your source before linking it and crossing your fingers that no one will fact check you. Also, considering the website was taken down, who knows how accurate that paper actually ended up being!

Off course there are also grafts if you hate the idea of "bowel" mucus: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5411318/

If you actually read this before linking it, you'd see that both surgeries in the source were performed on natural women with vaginal agenesis. These women were given reconstructive surgery on their female vaginal cavities using the linings of female mouths. Of course there would be no rejection- the "neovaginas" are constructed on actual women with partial natural vaginas to go off of. This does not work on men. Men do not have natural vaginas that will accept a graft from a mouth.

TL;DR again, ryu289 does not read his sources and is retarded.
(Edited because everything had strikethrough for some reason. Whoops!)

 

[teriyakiburns]

Right, becasue none of you have seen a real vaginia nor have had sex. Have any of you considered that vaginas are gross in general? I doubt Doppo Vinegar hasn't.

Hi, I've been married for 20 years. Your stinkditch examples don't look anything like a vulva or vagina. Because they aren't.

Second, the purpose of dilation is to train and stretch the pelvic floor muscles through which the vagina passes.

No, the purpose of dilation is to prevent the wound closing up. Left to its own devices, a "neovagina" will close up and heal the same way a drained cyst eventually does, because the body correctly interprets it as invasive damage. This is all in the post-operative literature provided by tranny butchers, though they couch it in far more pandering terms.

You want to be a chaser, gol right ahead. Enjoy covering your penis in sloughing epidermis and puss. No skin off my nose. Just stop fooling yourself that your fuckbuddies are anything other men with open cysts where their genitals should be.

 

[thyme]

@ryu289 what site/discord server are you copy and pasting these studies from?

On all the sites I can find with his username, he asks other dingbats how to argue for him


Besides the toys and persona posting it seems to be his only hobby

 

[Nigger Respecter]

Boy the Jews really sent their propaganda B-team with this ryu fella.

 

[KateHikes14]

Boy the Jews really sent their propaganda B-team with this ryu fella.

>TFW KF doesn't even rate a real slick talking hebe, just a stat post shabbos goy.

 

[Pickle Suited Vicar]

Transmaxxing as a cure for inceldom seem to work based on the limited info we have to go on so far, it's better than the alternatives when you are younger than 24.

Incels going trans is a good thing, if elliot rodger had trannymaxxed 3 nice females would still be alive today. Incels going trans is good for society and individual incels, there is no real downsides to this.

I know I'm years late. I just need to point out that you should be registered as a sex offender for this insidious grooming. Posting copypasta propaganda to try and groom people, and saying Elliot Rodger should have trooned out and been allowed in the girl's bathroom only demonstrates that troons are depraved predators who despise biological women. Hopefully, one day your porn addiction leads to your auto-erotic asphyxiation.

 

[ryu289]

Hair grows inside the outer labia to prevent sores from friction, not inside the vagina. A SRS vulva grows hair inside the vagina due to the vagina being made of skin. You have to pull clumps of hair out of the inside of a stinkditch vagina. You do not have to pull clumps of hair out of a real vagina.

No it happens: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24071877/

Cis women ONLY need to dilate for elective C-Sections

I gave numerous other examples you moron.

Several medical conditions may warrant the use of vaginal dilation, including superficial dyspareunia, high-tone pelvic floor dysfunction, vaginismus, provoked vestibulodynia, vaginal atrophy, vulvar dermatoses, vaginal agenesis, and postradiation adhesions. Dilation also can be used as deconditioning therapy for psychogenic dyspareunia.

Are you illiterate?

A medical reason, like the ones you listed, is not a natural reason that explains why a woman dilating her vagina is a common thing.

Well diliation of the neovagina is a medical reason, so by your own logic, dilation doesn't prove it isn't a vagina.

Why would you bother linking the "source" if it's not even a functional webpage? It makes your argument obviously taken off the first page of Google.

Ok give me a second: https://web.archive.org/web/20031125030637/http://www.gendercare.com/library/italiano_paper1.html

Hmmm...what does it say:

Recent attempts at vaginoplasty for transsexuals have utilized a variety of techniques, including split-thickness and full-thickness skin grafts, penile inversion procedures, and sigmoid-colon methods.

Although the advantages and disadvantages of each continue to be debated, many stated advantages are are clearly exaggerated or are erroneous. For instance, Masters and Johnson's (1966) pioneering work on the artificially-constructed vagina clearly demonstrates that "the method of creating an artificial vaginal barrel is incidental, since the functional reaction patterns of artificial vaginas are identical regardless of how they are constituted" (p.101) This statement includes behavior during arousal and orgasm as well as lubrication, a subject steeped in controversy.

Some surgeons opt for the use of sigmoid-colon methods in the belief that this provides an advantage of lubrication secreted by colon mucosa. Other surgeons employ mucosal flaps from the urethra to supplement penile inversion for the purpose of providing lubrication. They believe lubrication can't be achieved by the use of skin grafts or penile inversion. This is untrue.

There is much to be learned from nontranssexual women who have had surgery for "inadequate" vaginas. From months to sometimes years after skin grafting, the graft loses all of its skin properties and adapts to its environment, becoming a mucosa which takes on "the exact cytology, gross and microscopic, of a normal vagina" (Sherfey, 1973). Masters and Johnson state, "Suffice it to say that on the basis of pure cytologic evaluation, it is impossible to differentiate the epithelial cells taken from the artificial vaginas of Subject 'A' (when under the influence of adequate hormonal replacement) or Subject 'B' from those of a normal vaginal mucosal smear" (Masters & Johnson, 1961, p. 203).

Some surgeons disagree, stating that the tissue is not mucosa, but only resembles mucosa. They are only partially correct, since the normal female vaginal tissue is not truly mucosa either. It is called mucosa only because it lines a body passageway. It contains no mucous-secreting glands (Fawcett, et. al., 1995). That is why lubrication is a transudate phenomenon, the source being dilation of the capillaries that surround the barrel and the subsequent squeezing out of fluid through the vaginal walls, which in normal and artificially constructed vaginas have been shown to be a functioning two-way membrane. (Masters & Johnson, 1966). Although Masters & Johnson note that production of lubrication usually takes longer in the artificial vagina, they also showed that some artificial vaginas are capable of lubricating as well and as rapidly as any normally constituted vaginal barrel and that two of their patients had "lubricated, in fact, more effectively than many women with normally constituted vaginas" (Masters & Johnson, 1966).

Pierce et. al. (1956) demonstrated the conversion of skin to vaginal epithelium, which after twenty years, included normal vaginal PH levels, complete loss of hair, complete loss of pigment, complete loss of sweat glands, and normal vaginal epithelial glycogen levels. They proposed, "the process is not one of metaplasia, for no new cell types are produced. Rather, there is alteration of existing cell layers and the loss of the skin organs." (p.6)

Those post-operative male-to-female transsexuals who amuse themselves with the peculiar statement that they still have a penis, but that it's just turned inside-out should note that not only do they not have a penis, but they don't even have skin of the penis any more. The histology of the tissue has changed. It also responds to hormones in an identical way as does a normal vagina, with "cyclic cornification and mucification" (Sherfey, 1973). The presence of ovaries is not a necessity. For instance, "The estrogenic and early luteal effects demonstrated by Subject 'A' are obvious, and serve as a clinical indication of adequate steroid replacement in this surgically castrated female" (Masters & Johnson, 1966, p. 203).

More impressive is a recent report by Alessandrescu et. al. (1996), who did biopsies on twelve artificially constructed vaginas and found an epithelial structure identical to that of oa normal vagina. Two examples are shown in the form of pictures using electron microscopy.

Although it may be suggested that transsexuals may respond differently than nontranssexual females with regard to the results of vaginoplasty, it is my opinion that the burden of proof that this is the case rests with the surgeons who employ such procedures as colon usage and mucosal flaps for the purposes they intend. Since the nature of their work is clinical and generally not investigative, they should at least advise their patients that future study may be necessary before the value of their technique can be substantiated.

So when you said:

Regardless, when viewed in the Wayback Machine (thanks for giving me the link to all the times it was a saved webpage instead of an actual archive of a saved webpage! you're helping your argument a bunch here!), the paper only says that neovaginas "seem like real vaginas" and are lubricated with feces. There is nothing about penis tissue and mucosa becoming vaginal tissue and mucosa. Try reading your source before linking it and crossing your fingers that no one will fact check you. Also, considering the website was taken down, who knows how accurate that paper actually ended up being!

Yeah, thanks for lying and not looking at the source yourself Doppio. Nothing about lubrication with feces, and yes penis tissue turns into vaginal tissue. You have proved yourself to be a hypocrite.

Again: https://microbiomejournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40168-020-00804-1

Penile skin-lined neovaginas have diverse, polymicrobial communities that show similarities in composition to uncircumcised penises and host responses to cis vaginas with bacterial vaginosis (BV) including increased immune activation pathways and decreased epithelial barrier function. Developing a better understanding of microbiome-associated inflammation in the neovaginal environment will be important for improving our knowledge of neovaginal health.

See?

This is the same argument as "intersex people mean sex and gender aren't real." Birth defects are outliers that are completely irrelevant when compared to the other 99.9% of the population. They do not mean shit in the grand scheme of things.

Women can be born without vagina's yet still be considered women. Yet to get them, they go through similiar procedures as transwomen and aren't considered any less female because of it...why?

It is clear from all the complications and variations in sexual development that the ideas of male and female are not so simple for many people. Intersexed conditions are more common than once thought, with 1/1000 people having chromosomal intersexuality, and 1/100 having atypical body development. If being transgender involves an intersexed brain condition (and it does), then the fractions are even lower.

How, then, do we define male and female? Is it by chromosomes? But chromosomes are only the blueprint; the body can develop quite differently than planned. Is it by body structure? But the body’s physical development can be ambiguous, mixed, or in opposition to both chromosomes and gender identity. Is it hormones? But hormones can be unpredictable, and all they do is bring forth the already latent potential for masculinity or femininity. Is it by brain sex? For people who have transgender identities, determining their maleness or femaleness based on their brain sex or brain id makes the most sense, although others seem to think it delusional.

What some call "biological sex" depends on alot of factors going in a certain direction which we shouldn't take for granted. It isn't a certainty, but a statistical probability.

 

[What the shit]

@ryu289 Did you seriously just call someone a faggot? Have you no shame Ryu honestly that is extremely offensive. You should be ashamed of yourself. For someone who fights vigorously for the T part of LGBT you certainly aren’t very kind to the G part.
Anyways I can’t believe this faggot went on Reddit to ask for good points. Goes to show the amount of chromosomes some people have.

 

[ryu289]

@ryu289 Did you seriously just call someone a faggot? Have you no shame Ryu honestly that is extremely offensive. You should be ashamed of yourself. For someone who fights vigorously for the T part of LGBT you certainly aren’t very kind to the G part.
Anyways I can’t believe this faggot went on Reddit to ask for good points. Goes to show the amount of chromosomes some people have.

Look again. You were seeing things.

 

[Fentanyl Floyd]

Look again. You were seeing things.

What'd you do edit your post?

 

[ryu289]

Or he was seeing things. Either or.

 

[Julie Newmar]

@ryu289

Counterpoint: shut the fuck up.

 

[Baloney Face]

Faggot here.

When I was a kid, before I understood what a faggot was, we all called each other faggots all the time. Yes I did too. Not proud of it, just admitting it.

Faggot.

Now back on topic please, which is trannies. who are not faggots. OK some of them might be.