Generation Z can't work alongside people with different views and don't have the skills to debate. - Says Channel 4 boss as she cites the pandemic as the main cause of the workplace challenge.

Young people in the workplace don't have the skills to debate, disagree and work alongside people with different opinions, Channel 4's chief executive has said.

Speaking at the Royal Television Society's Cambridge Convention, Alex Mahon said 'particularly post-pandemic' Gen Z youngsters 'haven't got the skills to discuss' and 'haven't got the skills to disagree'.

She said this phenomenon, which was being seen in the workplace, was a 'dangerous step change'.

The Channel 4 boss cited the time youngsters had spent 'being out of colleges' during the pandemic, meaning they had not been exposed as much to 'people with a difference of opinion'.

Gen Z usually refers to people born between the middle to late 1990s and the early 2010s.

Ms Mahon told the Royal Television Society Cambridge Convention: 'What we are seeing with young people who come into the workplace - particularly post pandemic - with this concentration of short form content [short videos on services like Tik Tok and YouTube] is they haven't got the skills to debate things.

'They haven't got the skills to discuss, they haven't got the skills to disagree and commit because they haven't been raised, particularly with being out of colleges to have those kind of debates, to get to the point where you've got people with a difference of opinion to you and you're happy to work alongside that, and that is a really dangerous step change in my view that we are seeing.'

Last year Channel 4 carried out research which showed these youngsters are less tolerant of others' views than their parents or grandparents.

The study found that young people could therefore be said to be 'less liberal' than their elders. The research branded this phenomenon as the 'rise of the Young Illiberal Progressives' or 'Yips'.

During Ms Mahon's appearance at the event she unveiled new research which showed that many 'associate their short form social media consumption with feeling a lack of control'.

It was added: 'When the algorithm is in charge, people say they feel emotionally out of control - the immediate dopamine-hit fades rapidly and they are left feeling empty.'

It added that it gave them a sense that their lives had been 'encroached upon'.

The research said viewers in Britain felt 'anxious about video overload'.

People watch over five hours per day 'and the video day is lengthening', Ms Mahon revealed, adding that 'short-form viewing has piled on to long form viewing, and gaming has piled in on top of both'.

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[EvenShadierPineapple]

You've described Islamic thinking. All truth comes from divinely inspired sacred scripture and logic is blasphemous. The only possible response to disagreement is frenzied emotion and violence.

There's also an important principle in Islam that says all things that happen occur by the will of God, so presuming to know natural principles like Newton's laws of motion is blasphemous. The zoomer inability to predict the outcomes of actions is exactly the same.

It's interesting to note how much of Islamic religious practice is about stopping the train of thought. The obnoxious five daily calls to prayer, the constant chanting during religious services. etc. Could the social media feeds that have bombarded Gen Z's brains have the same effect and produce a similar type of thinking?

You know, i've been mulling this over and it seems like a crossbreed between religious thinking and nerd fandoms.

Say you have something like xmen. That world is based on a premise that due to genetic mutation people can gain various powers so when you say that you could strip someone of their power by injecting them with substance that neutralizes the particular gene it makes complete sense - the only problem is that this doesn't translate to real world, because it's based on a fictional premise. Now the xmen nerds know it's fictional, they explore that world because it's fun, they talk about it all the time, argue among themselves but they don't insist that the arguments have any merit in the real world because it just doesn't operate in the same way.

Enter the woke zoomer. They do the exact same thing, they add layers and layers of "knowledge" on top of what they know, making various connection that make perfect sense in that scope. But this time around, they don't realize that the premise on which their whole worldview is built is fiction, and they obnoxiously insist that it's reality.

 

[Vaclav]

Another anecdote I've heard about Gen Z from multiple places is that their behavior is often shockingly childlike. It's especially pronounced among the ones who identify as LGBTQP-whatever. They'll talk about little kids' cartoons, use slang that's associated with kids (or that they think sounds childlike) and carry Disney princess backpacks and the like. I'd guess it comes from being so oversocialized that they regress into the most passive and non-threatening behavior patterns they can think of. Children and their interests are considered generally inoffensive so it may also be a way to navigate an extremely judgmental culture that's eager to pillory someone for nonconformity.

And another Islamic parallel: Muslim cultures are some of the most crushingly conformist, just like the zoomers. Consider how all Saudi men wear the same white robes with women all wearing the black tents. They say East Asian cultures are conformist but they really have nothing on the Middle East. Someone mentioned to me seeing a crowd of teenage girls where every single one was wearing the same style of tank top, jean shorts and white shoes. That was unthinkable back in the 90s and 2000s, kids wanted to stand out, but now in some places it seems like youth subcultures don't exist anymore.

You know, i've been mulling this over and it seems like a crossbreed between religious thinking and nerd fandoms.

Say you have something like xmen. That world is based on a premise that due to genetic mutation people can gain various powers so when you say that you could strip someone of their power by injecting them with substance that neutralizes the particular gene it makes complete sense - the only problem is that this doesn't translate to real world, because it's based on a fictional premise. Now the xmen nerds know it's fictional, they explore that world because it's fun, they talk about it all the time, argue among themselves but they don't insist that the arguments have any merit in the real world because it just doesn't operate in the same way.

Enter the woke zoomer. They do the exact same thing, they add layers and layers of "knowledge" on top of what they know, making various connection that make perfect sense in that scope. But this time around, they don't realize that the premise on which their whole worldview is built is fiction, and they obnoxiously insist that it's reality.

So it's kind of like a fandom with a pecking order based on who knows the most "lore." I could see that.

 

[Odd Opossum]

Another anecdote I've heard about Gen Z from multiple places is that their behavior is often shockingly childlike. It's especially pronounced among the ones who identify as LGBTQP-whatever. They'll talk about little kids' cartoons, use slang that's associated with kids (or that they think sounds childlike) and carry Disney princess backpacks and the like. I'd guess it comes from being so oversocialized that they regress into the most passive and non-threatening behavior patterns they can think of. Children and their interests are considered generally inoffensive so it may also be a way to navigate an extremely judgmental culture that's eager to pillory someone for nonconformity.

I've never seen or heard about anything like this. This reads like something some freak on 4chan would make up to feel above the "niggercattle", like that breakfast experiment.

 

[Vaclav]

I've never seen or heard about anything like this. This reads like something some freak on 4chan would make up to feel above the "niggercattle", like that breakfast experiment.

I heard a couple anecdotes about this connected with people in really "queer" social scenes in coastal US cities. No Gen Z people I actually know are like this, it sounds like one of the most extreme manifestations of some cultural trends.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

Another anecdote I've heard about Gen Z from multiple places is that their behavior is often shockingly childlike. It's especially pronounced among the ones who identify as LGBTQP-whatever.

Would say Gen X and Millennials have this too. It has just slowly built up. Millennial women are known to be uber-obsessed with living out a fantasy like Harry Potter or Disney. The previous two gens of men have plenty of consumers. MovieBob is the face of consumerism and is an Xer or early Millennial. You also have all of Channel Awesome, AVGN, Chris Chan and plenty more man-children 80-90s babies.

They'll talk about little kids' cartoons

This started back before Zoomers could even use the web. Shows like Teen Titans, Avatar, Invader Zim, and Total Drama had this back in the 2000s.

I'd guess it comes from being so oversocialized that they regress into the most passive and non-threatening behavior patterns they can think of. Children and their interests are considered generally inoffensive so it may also be a way to navigate an extremely judgmental culture that's eager to pillory someone for nonconformity.

No, we are just in the nerd culture phase that has been built up since the 00s between capeshit films, The Big Bang Theory, and 80s nostalgia overload. Fandoms are no longer weird groups on the internet but are now multi-billion dollar cash cows and culture points. It is a fad that is going away as the only return Hollywood sees are from early Zoomers and beyond, if even that.

Enter the woke zoomer. They do the exact same thing, they add layers and layers of "knowledge" on top of what they know, making various connection that make perfect sense in that scope. But this time around, they don't realize that the premise on which their whole worldview is built is fiction, and they obnoxiously insist that it's reality.

Once again, it is just modern culture, not exactly a Zoomer thing. You have older gens comparing the world to Star Wars and Harry Potter. Andre from GameXplain is 38 yet made a cringe video comparing the election to Mario Bros.. MovieBob is in his 40s and does much the same

 

[Betonhaus]

back to the original article, I didn't even realize this was article was written by the channel that broadcasted a naked troon playing a keyboard with his dick. In which case no wonder - anyone with any capacity for independent thought would avoid that place like the plague, solely leaving the fanatical believers that are so drunk on the kool-aid that they couldn't recognize an objective observation when it smacks them in the face.

In that context, this may not be a comprehensive experience, so there may be some hope for the future. Maybe competent people will continue to avoid these rags like the plague until they implode under their own stupidity.

 

[beepbopisuckcock]

It's not just genz. Is the previous two as well. A friend of mine has to constantly babysit millennials at a car dealership because some will become angry if the customer has a trump bumper sticker. One allegedly was kicking chairs around the break room because his customer had trump stickers.

Admit it. This is just an ad for trump bumper stickers to get rid of the old 2020 models.

 

[pikachudidnothingwrong]

It's not just genz. Is the previous two as well. A friend of mine has to constantly babysit millennials at a car dealership because some will become angry if the customer has a trump bumper sticker. One allegedly was kicking chairs around the break room because his customer had trump stickers.

I think one of the scariest aspects of this new mentality is some workers and unions (new media unions right now, like comics and book publishers) are beginning to demand more control over who the company works with/for and what they work on. If this type of mentality took off. I mean we already have media and talking heads making explicit arguments about businesses "responsibility" to choose who can speak, have a web site etc etc. And how they are best suited since government would be like a "sledge hammer" (i.e. illegal for it to do, and even if it could it couldn't do it in a biased enough way) Imagine workers "rights" to not serve, or veto customers for the wrong opinions or votes.

You are delusional if you don't think a lot of these types of people aren't wishing they could get away with it already.

 

[Cuckoman]

I think one of the scariest aspects of this new mentality is some workers and unions (new media unions right now, like comics and book publishers) are beginning to demand more control over who the company works with/for and what they work on. If this type of mentality took off. I mean we already have media and talking heads making explicit arguments about businesses "responsibility" to choose who can speak, have a web site etc etc. And how they are best suited since government would be like a "sledge hammer" (i.e. illegal for it to do, and even if it could it couldn't do it in biased enough way) Imagine workers "rights" to not serve, or veto customers for the wrong opinions or votes.

You are delusional if you don't think a lot of these types of people aren't wishing they could get away with it already.

They already do but it is now self-correcting since you nowadays once again actually need to be profitable and have a product that is sellable and generates revenue to exist. The spigot of free money is now long turned off.

But some industries that delved too deep into woke may not make it. They may not have resources or competence to pull out.

See comics for example. Marvel are now mainly paying so low, below poverty level salaries, that the only people that can work there are people already literally on food stamps. They pay editors in NYC 23k$ a year for a full time position.
The only person you can literally hire for this is an activist that is already on food stamps.

And the output is reflected in this. Instead of epic struggles between good and evil you have self-inserts where the writer fantasies about eating at a nice restaurant or having a 'slice of lie' episode.

And, surprise, the sales cratered. At this point I think in this industry there is just not enough money left to even pivot back to something with mass appeal. Even if they wanted to I think they just do not have the money flow to pivot back and attract the kind of talent that actually generates sales.

Many businesses like this.

 

[dustbuster]

That world is based on a premise that due to genetic mutation people can gain various powers so when you say that you could strip someone of their power by injecting them with substance that neutralizes the particular gene it makes complete sense - the only problem is that this doesn't translate to real world,

Oh it does, but the SJW's won't like how (hint: civilized people don't allow MAOA 2R carriers to reproduce, they execute them)
Genetic mutant spergs have given us our modern world through invention.
Genetic mutant violent thugs get the bullet.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

I've never seen or heard about anything like this. This reads like something some freak on 4chan would make up to feel above the "niggercattle", like that breakfast experiment.

Dude, just browse around in the right subs and you'll see these people in spades. He's not making that up. Hell, ask yourself this: what's the biggest difference in interests, hobbies between Gen Z and Millennials and Boomers?'

Disney is especially popular among LGBT which is why the whole Disney vs. DeSantis thing played out.

 

[Puff]

- cannot ‘work a problem.’ If I give them a thing to sort out, I expect questions. But they just hit a wall and stop. Do t tell me they’ve stopped or ask for help.

Holy fuck, this. There's a hard cutoff where I work... if the engineer went to college during the pandemic they need step by step procedures on everything and will burn half a day or more fixing shit that could have been solved with one question. And it's not like they're working on it either. They hide. If you're in the field they go to the office and read articles. If you're in the office, they go to pretend and work in the field. It's fucking infuriating.

And they don't learn. I've taught the two new guys the basics over and over to the point that one guy has been here a year and can't perform his basic job functions without someone checking his work. And he's the good one.

 

[Betonhaus]

Holy fuck, this. There's a hard cutoff where I work... if the engineer went to college during the pandemic they need step by step procedures on everything and will burn half a day or more fixing shit that could have been solved with one question. And it's not like they're working on it either. They hide. If you're in the field they go to the office and read articles. If you're in the office, they go to pretend and work in the field. It's fucking infuriating.

And they don't learn. I've taught the two new guys the basics over and over to the point that one guy has been here a year and can't perform his basic job functions without someone checking his work. And he's the good one.

Would there be an improvement if the engineers had an emotional investment in the company, with things like proper profit sharing and no CEO making 6000x their income?

 

[Puff]

Would there be an improvement if the engineers had an emotional investment in the company, with things like proper profit sharing and no CEO making 6000x their income?

Don't think so. And it's only like 150 times.
All of the experienced guys are getting lazier and lazier, but that's mostly from us getting more and more tired of not being provided equipment or time to do our jobs. That and the green agenda which is going to cause the corp to self delete being enthusiastically embraced.

 

[Betonhaus]

Don't think so. And it's only like 150 times.
All of the experienced guys are getting lazier and lazier, but that's mostly from us getting more and more tired of not being provided equipment or time to do our jobs. That and the green agenda which is going to cause the corp to self delete being enthusiastically embraced.

So, the company chose to save a penny at the cost of a dollar. Once they have demoralized their workers that effectively there's no real recovering from that

 

[Puff]

So, the company chose to save a penny at the cost of a dollar. Once they have demoralized their workers that effectively there's no real recovering from that

That's the real CEO problem, not their pay. They come in, gut the company for good financial reports, and leave before the consequences of cutting needed shit out come around.

 

[Otterly]

That's the real CEO problem, not their pay. They come in, gut the company for good financial reports, and leave before the consequences of cutting needed shit out come around.

That happened at my last company. Guy came in, ousted the previous (good) CEO. I suspect there was some ESG going on as well as we’d resisted all that and then the new CEO started and we went fully over that diversity and inclusion cliff.
New CEO brings in a guy who wrecked a similar company and he wrecked that one too.
Share price got tanked , and it got sold to a competitor for a pittance (still billions but single rather than almost triple digit.) how you can look at that and see anything other than corporate sabotage …
Someone made bank. Not the employees.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

That happened at my last company. Guy came in, ousted the previous (good) CEO. I suspect there was some ESG going on as well as we’d resisted all that and then the new CEO started and we went fully over that diversity and inclusion cliff.
New CEO brings in a guy who wrecked a similar company and he wrecked that one too.
Share price got tanked , and it got sold to a competitor for a pittance (still billions but single rather than almost triple digit.) how you can look at that and see anything other than corporate sabotage …
Someone made bank. Not the employees.

Corporate Raiders are back.

Greeeeeeeat.