Generation Z can't work alongside people with different views and don't have the skills to debate. - Says Channel 4 boss as she cites the pandemic as the main cause of the workplace challenge.

Young people in the workplace don't have the skills to debate, disagree and work alongside people with different opinions, Channel 4's chief executive has said.

Speaking at the Royal Television Society's Cambridge Convention, Alex Mahon said 'particularly post-pandemic' Gen Z youngsters 'haven't got the skills to discuss' and 'haven't got the skills to disagree'.

She said this phenomenon, which was being seen in the workplace, was a 'dangerous step change'.

The Channel 4 boss cited the time youngsters had spent 'being out of colleges' during the pandemic, meaning they had not been exposed as much to 'people with a difference of opinion'.

Gen Z usually refers to people born between the middle to late 1990s and the early 2010s.

Ms Mahon told the Royal Television Society Cambridge Convention: 'What we are seeing with young people who come into the workplace - particularly post pandemic - with this concentration of short form content [short videos on services like Tik Tok and YouTube] is they haven't got the skills to debate things.

'They haven't got the skills to discuss, they haven't got the skills to disagree and commit because they haven't been raised, particularly with being out of colleges to have those kind of debates, to get to the point where you've got people with a difference of opinion to you and you're happy to work alongside that, and that is a really dangerous step change in my view that we are seeing.'

Last year Channel 4 carried out research which showed these youngsters are less tolerant of others' views than their parents or grandparents.

The study found that young people could therefore be said to be 'less liberal' than their elders. The research branded this phenomenon as the 'rise of the Young Illiberal Progressives' or 'Yips'.

During Ms Mahon's appearance at the event she unveiled new research which showed that many 'associate their short form social media consumption with feeling a lack of control'.

It was added: 'When the algorithm is in charge, people say they feel emotionally out of control - the immediate dopamine-hit fades rapidly and they are left feeling empty.'

It added that it gave them a sense that their lives had been 'encroached upon'.

The research said viewers in Britain felt 'anxious about video overload'.

People watch over five hours per day 'and the video day is lengthening', Ms Mahon revealed, adding that 'short-form viewing has piled on to long form viewing, and gaming has piled in on top of both'.

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[dustbuster]

Remind me?

He's responsible for the massive wave of CRT bans (state government,public school, and college), and the latest trend of states fully defunding "DEI" departments.
He's now one of the trustees of new college of florida and is purging woke from that university.

He's been helping Chloe Cole and Chaya Raichik get word out to parents to get them on-side for this, and they've been taking school boards in deep blue areas with the help of parents.

There is a growing movement to purge woke from schools that has real teeth.

I know of at least 2 california districts retaken by parents that are refusing to push globohomo. One is raising 2 middle fingers and saying "Keep calm and purge woke despite massive fines", the other got an injunction against the state for trying to compel them to abrogate their parental sunlight policies regarding trannies.

The state of Florida is now suing the college board in an effort to destroy their capacity to end-run democratically-elected legislators via the accreditation system, and they have a good chance of winning with their circuit and supreme court. (the additional benefit of this: massive narrowing of "necessary and proper" clause if they win)

 

[pikachudidnothingwrong]

He's responsible for the massive wave of CRT bans (state government,public school, and college), and the latest trend of states fully defunding "DEI" departments.
He's now one of the trustees of new college of florida and is purging woke from that university.

He's been helping Chloe Cole and Chaya Raichik get word out to parents to get them on-side for this, and they've been taking school boards in deep blue areas with the help of parents.

There is a growing movement to purge woke from schools that has real teeth.

I know of at least 2 california districts retaken by parents that are refusing to push globohomo. One is raising 2 middle fingers and saying "Keep calm and purge woke despite massive fines", the other got an injunction against the state for trying to compel them to abrogate their parental sunlight policies regarding trannies.

The state of Florida is now suing the college board in an effort to destroy their capacity to end-run democratically-elected legislators via the accreditation system, and they have a good chance of winning with their circuit and supreme court. (the additional benefit of this: massive narrowing of "necessary and proper" clause if they win)

That sounds awesome. Just what is needed. We just have to make sure politifags don't fuck it up by overreaching or abusing it somehow. This should be about restoring sanity, rules and professionalism.

 

[Yourmissingsock]

I do everything in my fucking power to keep trannies and woke retards out of the business I work for. Occasionally, one will sneak in via a vendor or a contractor, but I find ways to get rid of them. IT troons are the worst -- you think regular IT guys smell bad; wait until you meet a greasy, autistic with a rotting axe wound where his balls used to be.

In my experience, not only are these people disruptive to the normal course of business, but they are also lawsuit/long-term disability magnets.

Good luck firing some guy named "Tara" when he has 8 psychologists willing to enable his bad behavior by writing him letters claiming he can't work due to "anxiety"... if these people aren't suing you, they're scamming you, all because you were stupid enough to give him a job.

The second you start letting these people into your business, you are in existential danger. It usually starts by bringing an academic or a woman onto your board to appease journalists or market makers, who will promptly "suggest" that you promote more women or niggers to senior leadership positions (or -- God forbid -- a nigger woman) and from there you're basically fucked.

I am involved in the hiring process for my company on occasion. Any pronouns, gender studies minor, woke clubs or activities, or leftist political dogwhistles and that resume is in the trashbin.

So far for my sector of the industry that is under 1% of applicants but I suspect that will increase with time.

 

[DeadwastePrime]

this is what happens when you defund the debate team thinking it isnt worth the resources and putting it all into sports fuck you principal fredrick you asshole im still pissed

 

[pikachudidnothingwrong]

this is what happens when you defund the debate team thinking it isnt worth the resources and putting it all into sports fuck you principal fredrick you asshole im still pissed

Just like shop, home-ec etc etc. We end up with a dumber, less able sheep to herd, one who isn't capable of thinking critically.

There is another element as well.. The death of imagination. From science to problem solving, even fictional media obsession with "realism" and the dark, gritty, SUPER SERIOUS and tragedy.

 

[Scale Smerch]

cannot ‘work a problem.’ If I give them a thing to sort out, I expect questions. But they just hit a wall and stop. Do t tell me they’ve stopped or ask for help. Finally got some eastern euro kid who would come back when he was stuck, and ask and then keep going in the problem, and work it through. Got him promoted fast.

I'm very happy not having encountered this yet, mostly because it's behaviour caught during technical interviews. Give the wannabe junior a small business-related problem, ask them to come up with a solution, see what they do and what questions they ask. The sheer number of Gen Zs who freeze and don't ask for help is concerning (it's like pulling teeth trying to get them to walk through it logically when we see they're stuck), but it's saved on a lot of ticking time bombs and employee churn.

Far too many from the more recent generations apparently expect the answer to be provided on a silver platter, or for someone else to give them it and then let them bask in the fame and reward. It does not bode well for the next few decades.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

I'm very happy not having encountered this yet, mostly because it's behaviour caught during technical interviews. Give the wannabe junior a small business-related problem, ask them to come up with a solution, see what they do and what questions they ask. The sheer number of Gen Zs who freeze and don't ask for help is concerning (it's like pulling teeth trying to get them to walk through it logically when we see they're stuck), but it's saved on a lot of ticking time bombs and employee churn.

Far too many from the more recent generations apparently expect the answer to be provided on a silver platter, or for someone else to give them it and then let them bask in the fame and reward. It does not bode well for the next few decades.

I can agree with this point and I honestly believe it is the result of the internet and more specifically the Boomer view of it. I think many are discouraged from getting help early on because they have the internet and that will be the solver of all their problems. I have definitely known teachers who won’t do shit because they think every student should know things because muh internet or just scolding you for not paying attention.

I remember the disaster that was a year of pre-Covid flipped classrooms. Teachers produced videos that made math 10x harder to understand as it was 40 mins of shortcuts. You then do homework in class to better ask questions, except most students didn’t watch the video, so the teacher would give those struggling a hard time assuming they were lazy. In college, I took a difficult algorithms class where asking the teacher anything seemed pointless as he didn’t even know the answer to the assignments he gave us. Spent an entire class trying to figure out a problem only to give up.

 

[dustbuster]

I'm very happy not having encountered this yet, mostly because it's behaviour caught during technical interviews. Give the wannabe junior a small business-related problem, ask them to come up with a solution, see what they do and what questions they ask. The sheer number of Gen Zs who freeze and don't ask for help is concerning (it's like pulling teeth trying to get them to walk through it logically when we see they're stuck), but it's saved on a lot of ticking time bombs and employee churn.

Far too many from the more recent generations apparently expect the answer to be provided on a silver platter, or for someone else to give them it and then let them bask in the fame and reward. It does not bode well for the next few decades.

I'm not gen-z and I hate questions like this, primarily because the people asking them don't think them through in enough detail, and when I start asking for more the interviewers get stuck, then I can't answer for them because a solution to a problem is dependent on the gritty specifics of the problem.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

When you democraticize education, when your values align with a "democratic" society concerned with the everyman, then of course you're going to get education that esteems the "middle of the road" and mediocre. Democracy is inherently rule by the mediocre, the everyman. When democracy decides how education should be handled... well, what do you expect?

 

[Scale Smerch]

I'm not gen-z and I hate questions like this, primarily because the people asking them don't think them through in enough detail, and when I start asking for more the interviewers get stuck, then I can't answer for them because a solution to a problem is dependent on the gritty specifics of the problem.

Personally I prefer interview questions like this, but it does ultimately hinge on what the interviewers put forth. I'm lucky enough to work for a company which understands the limitations (one of our questions is a password check/verification for login for example) and designs its hiring process around it, but there's definitely a fine line. Much like leetcode it's not so much what you ask but why: why are you asking this particular question? What are you hoping to glean from the response to it? A well-designed interview will give you the information needed to make an educated decision, so naturally that doesn't happen a lot of the time because retarded middle managers, insane HR, and grunts who are only there because their promotion prospects depend on it.

 

[namelesstacotruck]

That sounds awesome. Just what is needed. We just have to make sure politifags don't fuck it up by overreaching or abusing it somehow. This should be about restoring sanity, rules and professionalism.

This is why conservatives lose. Power exists to hurt your enemies and help your allies.

 

[indigoisviolet]

Channel 4 has flown the woke flags highest and longest on the British mass media, substituting content for monopolitical shrieking since 2004 until it became the norm across their output.

For example: on the day that Westminster banned all paediatric transgender medical interventions - including HRT and pronouns bullshit - Channel 4 deliberately broadcast a tranny playing the keyboard with his dick. Quite deliberately.

And now they are pissed off that the only new interns they can attract are mindless zoomer zombies? You reap just what you sow.

 

[Betonhaus]

Channel 4 has flown the woke flags highest and longest on the British mass media, substituting content for monopolitical shrieking since 2004 until it became the norm across their output.

For example: on the day that Westminster banned all paediatric transgender medical interventions - including HRT and pronouns bullshit - Channel 4 deliberately broadcast a tranny playing the keyboard with his dick. Quite deliberately.

And now they are pissed off that the only new interns they can attract are mindless zoomer zombies? You reap just what you sow.

I forgot about the keyboard dick. The fact that not a single person was able to make the argument that doing so was a terrible idea certainly isn't a good sign for them.

 

[Vaclav]

Well said.
I think they completely lack logical reasoning skills. They have opinions they have have acquired from some other authority but they lack the skills to understand what their opinion actually means.
And when asked to clarify their position they immediately become very angered and emotional and lash out, because it is dogma and it is because they do not know how to argue their position.
They take any criticism, disagreement or questions on their opinion or idea as personal attack.

But I think this also manifests in how they often are surprised with the outcome of actions. They can literally not predict the outcome of their actions. What happens next if you do x is an unpredictable mystery.

They are truly dysfunctional. They are literally incapable of higher order logical reasoning.

You've described Islamic thinking. All truth comes from divinely inspired sacred scripture and logic is blasphemous. The only possible response to disagreement is frenzied emotion and violence.

There's also an important principle in Islam that says all things that happen occur by the will of God, so presuming to know natural principles like Newton's laws of motion is blasphemous. The zoomer inability to predict the outcomes of actions is exactly the same.

It's interesting to note how much of Islamic religious practice is about stopping the train of thought. The obnoxious five daily calls to prayer, the constant chanting during religious services. etc. Could the social media feeds that have bombarded Gen Z's brains have the same effect and produce a similar type of thinking?

 

[Mordecai "3 Finger" Brown]

I used to liken them to a C64.

They are also like C64s in that even if you get them working, in the end it really wasn't worth it.

 

[Betonhaus]

You've described Islamic thinking. All truth comes from divinely inspired sacred scripture and logic is blasphemous. The only possible response to disagreement is frenzied emotion and violence.

There's also an important principle in Islam that says all things that happen occur by the will of God, so presuming to know natural principles like Newton's laws of motion is blasphemous. The zoomer inability to predict the outcomes of actions is exactly the same.

It's interesting to note how much of Islamic religious practice is about stopping the train of thought. The obnoxious five daily calls to prayer, the constant chanting during religious services. etc. Could the social media feeds that have bombarded Gen Z's brains have the same effect and produce a similar type of thinking?

That raises the question of what is a religion. Instilling a radical progressive agenda that is extremely hostile to alternative ideas is remarkably similar to religions that do the same. Traditional religions could be considered a form of megacorporation reliant on subscription services, where they try to maximize the number of "subscribers" to increase their income and power over the governments they preside over.

id argue that ever since companies started use marketing to change the American lifestyle to perpetual consoomers they created a new religion. one that is obsessed with milking it's believers dry with no regard for their wellbeing and future purchasing power.

 

[indigoisviolet]

Could the social media feeds that have bombarded Gen Z's brains have the same effect and produce a similar type of thinking?

Is it social media, though? Less than 1 in 50 posters on Twitter agree with anything woke, and 42 in 50 strongly disagree. The 1 in 50 are vocal on platforms that practice censorship - posting up to 20% of all content - safely silencing the majority laughing at their antics, yet they are like this with or without a phone glued to their hand. They are apoplectic that sites like KFs are allowed to exist, going to extraordinary measures like attacking the digital backbone of The Internet itself in an attempt to shut it all down, yet... shut what down, specifically? They lie and call us stalkers, yet they know that's not true, so what part of their game is KFs accidentally messing with?

I reckon it's about sticking labels to their character sheet and then insisting that these represent real world change, and then sticking labels on your character sheet calling you Evil for pointing out character sheets aren't real. There is a tiny flicker of ironic detachment to the latter, but I don't think they possess the ability to shift perspective enough for it to be deliberate. It's why they flip the board whenever they hear "illegal immigrant" as to them it is a forbidden character class that got filtered out two full core updates ago, and choke themselves with hysterics if you invoke Wild Curses from 1st Edition like "nigger" and "faggot". They are LARPing but then insisting that the LARP is real and Real Life is the fantasy game.

The Tik Tok chirping let the cat out of the bag: thousands of woke idiots started spazzing out like a glitching ring modulator because they saw pretty person after pretty person do it in an endless weekend scroll. They eagerly slapped that sticker onto their character sheet because they thought it was quirky and funny, and on Monday thousands of them got frog marched to their GPs by parents who thought they'd finally developed full-on brain damage, relieved that their kid could be diagnosed an Official Idiot as cover for all the weird annoying stuff they do. It was mask off for them, mask off for their enablers, and that chirping bullshit stopped dead in its tracks as a result, despite being red hot on social media. Got to keep the LARP going, it's the most important thing to them, and if that means they have to quietly peel off a sticker now and again so be it.

 

[Betonhaus]

The Tik Tok chirping let the cat out of the bag: thousands of woke idiots started spazzing out like a glitching ring modulator because they saw pretty person after pretty person do it in an endless weekend scroll. They eagerly slapped that sticker onto their character sheet because they thought it was quirky and funny, and on Monday thousands of them got frog marched to their GPs by parents who thought they'd finally developed full-on brain damage, relieved that their kid could be diagnosed an Official Idiot as cover for all the weird annoying stuff they do. It was mask off for them, mask off for their enablers, and that chirping bullshit stopped dead in its tracks as a result, despite being red hot on social media.

Sorry, what TikTokq chirping thing? I missed that one, but I'm on cute dog and diesel-electric semis tiktok

 

[indigoisviolet]

Sorry, what TikTokq chirping thing? I missed that one, but I'm on cute dog and diesel-electric semis tiktok

It's medically known as "The TikTok Tics" and it was a while back, 2021-ish. There are sober medical journal papers penned about the wave of new referrals to neurology clinics, where the authors are trying to stay professional and not laugh at the retards fake-glitching in front of them. Notable but very short lived, as it drew too many speculative associations with trannyism, and between the two choices they clearly preferred to lazily LARP as heckin valid enbies rather than do impressions of UJAM Finisher VSTs for the rest of their lives.

 

[Garm]

Having dealt with Millennials I believe it is narcissism and they drape themselves in progressive politics "for the win." They know they can bash the "racism" or "phobia" buttons to end the discussion while they look like progressive martyrs to everyone in the audience.

Most of these people would not last long in a structured, formal debate where there are rules and etiquette. Debate to them just means "scream your opponent down."