Glaive's gone.

[AP 297]

Glaive was demodded because I can't trust him. Wizardchan is a good example of why I can't trust him.

Do you know why Glaive was modded to begin with? He came over to the forum to defend his community and talk to us about how Wizardchan was a fun place filled with friends that was distinct from lust. He pitched it as a sexless community for both men and women who are virgins and more concerned with hobbies, work, and money. The defining feature of Wizardchan, he said, wasn't that you had to be a male virgin who hated women, you just had to be a virgin who knew feels and liked work. When he came to the then-CWCki Forums to pitch this idea to take heat off his friends, it worked. He naturally gained off-topic access and became the first Wizard allowed into the club, and his sheepish and lurking presence crept into something louder and more friendly. It eventually ended up in him shocking people with his photos. Everyone expected him to be gross, but he was cute.

This made it all the more gutwrenching when Anachronos de-admined him in 2014 for being a part of his community. Glaive was distraught at being "exiled" by his former friends on Wizardchan just for coming over here and making the case that they weren't gross basement dwelling losers like we thought they were. To us, he had been suddenly and inexorably cast out of a warm circle of friends for little reason and so I made him mod to cheer him up. He had community experience, he was amazingly easy to love, and he was technically competent. He understood the concept of lolcows and was a long-time Chris fan so there was no reason not to.

And then I get shit like this.



I don't like knowing people. Do you think I like knowing you fucking assholes? No, I don't. I do it because it's a necessity. I have servers I play with and line graphs to fill up with new members and the means and modes of this equation are fucking nothing to me. I told you in 2013 this is a game to me, I want to see how far I can push this shit over the line. Part of the operation in doing so is having staff that can make decisions without me being there, so fuck me when someone comes along that I actually like and fucks up this system. You know all these people with colored names aren't sycophants, they're people I:

1. Like as a person.
2. Trust to make good calls.
3. Mutually respect, and who respects the community.

That's the reason that since I took over there have been exactly two demotions and one retiree in three years, and of which only Glaive has followed up with a ban. Everybody I promote brings something new to the table that ends up furthering my beautiful line graphs a little more and filling up the servers that now pay for themselves so I have some cool shit to play with. When I get bored of a toy, I build a new toy, and soon all my toys will sync up together and everyone will think they're really fucking cool because I know they are because I built them and fuck you. This how I occupy my thankless fucking days in between birth and death and the only time I catch feelings is when you motherfuckers get in my way.


When Glaive tells me that he didn't care about Wizardchan and only did it to harass "lifeless losers", he's either telling me that he lied about the grief he felt when I initially modded him, or he's lying to me then to seem cooler. Either way he is fucking with me and I don't trust him. Keep in mind he was an administrator, meaning he had access to everything this server contained. All your email addresses, your encrypted passwords, usernames, username history, private messages, all that shit was on the server and he had direct access to it. It would be incredibly naive of me to let someone bragging about deliberately manipulating an entire community for fun to have that kind of system control. All that trust and respect I had for him over two fucking years immediately evaporated because he went out of his way to be as much of a nuisance and threat to me as possible.

Now I know Dynastia supported my decision to de-admin him, which is fair, but you criticize me for banning him. Immediately after he wad de-admined he began bragging about a competitor site and was talking about what domain names to buy in chat to fuck over the forum, and (by extension) my beautiful line graphs. I told Glaive the week before that I felt he was about to break off and that it worried me, and that if he did so he would probably be the only person capable of operating a successful splinter site. If a significant portion of the community did leave to go with him, I probably wouldn't even bother to compete and would just shut it down and send all traffic his way to get rid of my responsibilities on an unsuccessful site. Glaive has the money and free time to do whatever he wants. His new job provides him with unlimited access to hardware and a lot of desk time with nothing to do. He could easily, easily take the community away and host it himself. I don't pretend to think I have more friends here than Glaive. I've been told for three years my presence is an unwelcomed burden, and that if you swapped me out with any other working part the community would be better off because of it. So if you were waiting for that, here comes Herr Glaive to sweep you off your feet.

That's why I banned him. I had to get rid of him because I know he'd sit in chat every day for his entire work week doing his best to piss me off as revenge for his drama thread, passively advertising his competitor site in private and over Skype. If I didn't get rid of him then, it would continue to blow up. This was his modus operandi, a slow death of atrophy. So before you fucking wag your finger at me and criticize it as a rash, emotional decision, know that we had fully discussed the ramifications of a Glaive de-admin situation together weeks before it happened.

Now you can backtrack and say, "but Null, if only you hadn't of bloodlet!" -- Yea no shit, and if only Glaive hadn't attacked other users at the request of Snakes. Dynastia criticizes me for spinning some web of lies about her, but the proof is in the original fucking thread. A 20 reply conversation chain with some innocent sweet as fuck girl who didn't do shit, all because this woman asked Glaive to. Glaive goes out of his way to document everything he does, but for some reason this particular encounter with the other girl went unmentioned. Not a fucking peep from either of them until months after the fact when I'm trying to unravel what happened to Deagle Nation. Then I find out, "oh by the way Snakes had this kid by the balls so tight he was fucking with other people by request". How do you think I feel knowing that one of the people I trust the most fucked with someone else I like like that? She was so fucking battered by this encounter she didn't even tell anyone else.

And then you can say, "de-admin him on the spot and work it out from there". I believed in Glaive. I had absolute fucking confidence in him being able to hurdle over the obstacle of a little embarrassment. Fucking hell, I do it on a routine basis. I thought for sure that Glaive would take his scolding like a man, recognize that he is not allowed to berate other users like that, and learn from it. I had been told by multiple people that "Glaive is mad at you", but I thought that was a misinterpretation. We still talked every month about shit going on on the forum and in our lives, he'd show me pictures of his trips and beer and all sorts of shit. I assumed he had done exactly that, let it fucking go. Exactly what I wanted. I thought I had gotten away with bloodletting and accomplished everything I set out to do while retaining the only person I cared to keep. Then this happens. The dude gets his dick wet with some dangerhair cunt and the very same week starts acting like king of the fucking world, insulting me every day after months of being chill as shit.


When I say I accomplished exactly what I set out to do with that thread, I mean it. This isn't my "cool sociopath facade", this is reality. I wanted to expose the drama and amputate it. The fact that Glaive is now a part of the culling is not unanticipated, rather disappointing. By this point I expected him to be over it or gone.

There's my horrible evil angry tween retelling of history, @Dynastia. Make of it what you will.

That is a lie and sadly the one you are lying to the most is yourself. You care about the people here and it shows in the passion in your work and the occasional times you respond to things. I refuse to believe that you don't care about anyone. Null the more you say this the more obvious it is that you are severely hurt right now. Please just own it and learn from it.

Everything Dynastia is saying is true. Your staff members have told you this as well. You would not put this much work into a site for lifeless graphs. You do it because you love having this place around you. You love having these people around you.

You were given the infinity project because people believed in you. We put our faith in you and you have met your guide posts. A lot of people could have done the project, but people believed in you. They believed in your person and your character, not your fucking graphs.

Perhaps it is your curse as a prodigy to have lackluster emotional maturity, but it does not need to determine everything you are like this.

You contacted Jace after his accident because you were concerned about him. Tried fruitlessly to steer Gabe Navarro off the site. Organized help for Chris after the fire. Established rules meant to prevent things like the Shaner mess from happening. These are not the acts of a person concerned with graphs. These are the acts of a person with a conscience.

I really wish you could just stop hiding yourself away. It really hurts everyone. Especially you.

Glaive meant a lot to us. I have no idea why he said those things about wizardchan, but if I had to make a guess - he was likely emulating someone - my guess is you Null.

 

[Soew]

you all have autism

 

[BT 075]

I will forever remember Glaive as that handsome motherfucker who rused a group of bucket-pissing wizards hard, who wore a hockey-mask while DJ'ing and who, when he visited my country of birth, developed a liking to the same exact beer that has been my family's favorite for generations. For these reasons, and many more, he's a chill dude in my book.

It's a sad thing to see him be banned over this site's administration being unable to handle sensitive cases behind closed doors. The situation that lead to this may have been impossible to avoid, at this point, but there is a lot to say about why it was allowed to go this far in the first place. Whatever the reasoning behind it, whatever the logic behind it or the justification, the outcome is a bloody shame.

I wish people would just put aside their ego's more often and not make everything into one big autistic powerstruggle masquerading as a schoolgirl slapfight.

 

[wagglyplacebo]

I like Null. I like Glaive. Both are dumb and so are all of us. Now let's go laugh at autistics.

 

[Wally Balljacker]

Wait, I'm confused:

Months old logs of Glaive telling her to not be mean to Snakes and Snakes bragging that her "admin boyfriend" could read private messages, something which isn't true.

While I was one of the first people KoM came to about this situation, I had no prior knowledge of such. I reassured him of the fact that Kiwifarms Admins cannot read PMs.

Keep in mind he was an administrator, meaning he had access to everything this server contained. All your email addresses, your encrypted passwords, usernames, username history, private messages, all that shit was on the server and he had direct access to it.

 

[SpessCaptain]

I do not like the fact that when I sent him something on an administrative reason he automatically posted it on cow without adding it.

Yesterday I told him "now I know not to send you anything" and he acted oblivious as fuck.

Clearly he's touched in the head not to understand what I mean.

If that isn't sign of a untrustworthy tool than what is.

Wait, I'm confused:

They shouldn't be able to read but they can. I admined on a forum for kids on neopets so I could steal their passwords because its stored on their profiles as plain text B)

 

[Sanae Kochiya]

Wait, I'm confused:

Wait... what...?

 

[ShavedSheep]

A site for autisim that produces autisim

 

[Wally Balljacker]

They shouldn't be able to read but they can. I admined on a forum for kids on neopets so I could steal their passwords because its stored on their profiles as plain text B)

I should have elaborated further, but I didn't want to come off as aggressive.

My confusion comes from the fact that there are two diametrically opposed statements being made that are both presented as facts. This can only mean that one of them is a lie, as they cannot both be truthful statements. Glaive could read PMs. Glaive couldn't read PMs. "They shouldn't be able to but they can." clears none of that up.

I know I'm making a big deal over one tiny inconsistency, but considering the majority of this grand internet slapfight has been mired in lies and backstabbing, it only makes sense that one of these viewpoints is being grossly exaggerated at the least or outright fabricated at worst.

 

[AP 297]

I should have elaborated further, but I didn't want to come off as aggressive.

My confusion comes from the fact that there are two diametrically opposed statements being made that are both presented as facts. This can only mean that one of them is a lie, as they cannot both be truthful statements. Glaive could read PMs. Glaive couldn't read PMs. "They shouldn't be able to but they can." clears none of that up.

I know I'm making a big deal over one tiny inconsistency, but considering the majority of this grand internet slapfight has been mired in lies and backstabbing, it only makes sense that one of these viewpoints is being grossly exaggerated at the least or outright fabricated at worst.

I get what you are asking and it is a very reasonable question.

Do admins have access to our PM's or do they not? We have been told before they don't have access to them as you cited and now we are being told that they do.

There is a clear contradiction here.

 

[Lascannon]

It's pretty fucking standard for forums to have access to anything private on their.
Since it's on their servers.

These are one of the few things /cow/ was right about.
So why lie to us at all Null?

 

[Wet]

I get what you are asking and it is a very reasonable question.

Do admins have access to our PM's or do they not? We have been told before they don't have access to them as you cited and now we are being told that they do.

There is a clear contradiction here.

Admins might not have access to PMs through the admin portal, but since Glaive had shell access, he had direct access to the database where he could read them. At least that's my guess on how those two things could be true at the same time.

 

[Wally Balljacker]

I can understand why others would be, but personally I'm not concerned about admins being able to read my PMs. In the day and age were millions of people willingly sign up for social media platforms that knowingly sell private information, it's not too farfetched to assume that some site owner can access private messages.

My concern is that the unusual amount of emphasis on the topic. The "Null reads your PMs!" thing has been a weird little joke on ED for so long that most of us ignore it or laugh it off.

The reason why I'm calling attention to it is because two-ish months ago they were both really insistent on one side of these statements, and yesterday Null brings up the other side as part of this weird demonization campaign. "Here's all the reasons why this avatar is a doody head. Also he reads your PMs!"

I'm not picking a side here, but someone is clearly lying.

EDIT:

Admins might not have access to PMs through the admin portal, but since Glaive had shell access, he had direct access to the database where he could read them. At least that's my guess on how those two things could be true at the same time.

Okay this at least makes a little sense. Assuming Null's the kind of person to allow that level of access to any soul other than himself. I don't know him that well, so it's plausible.

 

[ON 190]

A glib response to a reply that deserves far better, I know. But by my count there's no less than nine false assertions in that single sentence, and there aren't all that many assertions to begin with. This is the type of angry tween retelling I'm talking about ; where you demonise practically everyone and everything involved because your feelings are hurt. But you deserve more of a reply than just this.



This is a fair point. I'm actually embarrassed I didn't consider it. I could still find fault with you putting so much loud and public weight on other reasons for banning him, including the inexplicable amount of focus on his girlfriend, but this line of reasoning is absolutely 100% sound. As much as I like Glaive, I'm not blind to his flaws, and now that you've pointed it out I don't doubt for a second that this is exactly what would happen, and there's no doubt in my mind as to who I'd rather have at the helm. You've changed my mind, Null. I think you were right to ban him.

But I still think you're going too far in painting him in such a negative light, and I think it's because of your feelings for him. We've been down this road before, like I said, with Luna, applecat, snakes, who were all friends you once confided in.



Firstly I want to make it clear that I'm not accusing you of spinning webs of lies. I'm accusing you of letting misdirected emotions colour your judgement of people, and then sharing loudly and publicly that judgement in an environment full of half-retarded gossip queens who will spread it and add to it. I honestly believe there is nothing malicious, dishonest or deliberate behind it. I think the only person you're truly dishonest with is yourself. Nobody would blame you for being angry and hurt over whatever happened with those people, but you rechannel that anger and hurt into viewing everything they do in the most negative light imaginable, and repeating this interpretation to us idiots as provable fact. And us, being idiots, don't question it.

Anyways, to take the snakes bully-case as an example ; to the best of my knowledge, the proof is not in the Bloodletting thread. The proof was never released. I've certainly never seen it. I have seen other members of the moderation staff, who were privy to the proof, outright and publicly state that you are the only person who took that particular interpretation of events. As far as I know, even the purported victim of that exchange disagrees with your assessment. And yet so many people are willing to repeat, verbatim, that snakes is an emotionally abusive cuckolding kickstarter-scammer who bullied some poor innocent girl into tears using Glaive as an attack dog. Why? Because you told them.

I'm not blind to snakes flaws. She is a flawed person. We are all flawed people. But the event that you are describing, to the best of my knowledge and absent of any public proof otherwise, is two girls having a very minor and inconsequential spat and you taking sides in it to a level utterly and ridiculously incommensurate with the initial, forgotten dispute. Now snakes is a running joke on this website. I see people realising she's not banned and saying "Quick, we need to ban that bitch before she does a thing again." "What kind of thing?", I ask, and they go silent. "The uh, the thing she did before?" They literally don't know why they're supposed to hate her. All they know is that they heard she's a manipulative monster that creates drama and cucks people, because that is what you have spent an inordinate amount of time convincing them, based off an interpretation of events that you seem to be a minority holder of.

Again, I haven't seen these logs. For all I know it's 100% true, snakes and glaive bullied a completely innocent kiwi, your staff somehow read the wrong logs and have since changed their minds, and the victim was lying about it out of fear of Glaive and snakes bullying her some more. If this is the case, show me. I'll happily eat my words. I'll change my user title to "Cucked by Snakes" and live out the rest of my days knowing that I was the guy that squalled loudly and dumbly at you over a thing I turned out to be completely wrong about.

But at this point the logs don't matter. What matters is that you can decide somebody is a monster based solely off the fact that they used to be your friend and then stopped, and a lot of people here will believe it, because we're fucking retarded. The people who disagree with you will keep quiet because, let's face it, the vast fucking majority of this site are spineless faggots who still don't believe you won't ban them just for disagreeing with you no matter how often you go out of your way to prove otherwise. The people who don't know any better will go with whatever story is the only story there, which is going to be the story you put out.

I honestly don't expect you to become more careful and conservative with this power to shape kiwi opinion. I don't expect you to re-evaluate your feelings towards these people and come to the conclusion that just maybe your assessment of their actions is uncharitable because it's coloured by emotions you don't want to articulate even to yourself.

I just want my interpretation of events out there too, for what little it might be worth against yours. I don't want 'Luna the Traitor', 'Glaive the Cuck' and 'Snakes the Succubus' to be the unchallenged history that everybody accepts without question. They all deserve better than that.

I hate to just quote a post, but this. You hit the nail on the head.

Edit: Let me just reiterate that the head admin shouldn't be able to fucking say "Yeah, this happened" and know a shit-ton of 3,000 forum users will just fall lock-step in. Shouldn't, though. Clearly that's not how it rolls. I'm not saying this because I know anyone in this situation, I'm saying this in general and I figure it's common sense.

But, hey, what do I know?

 

[Le Bateleur]

@Dynastia is smart and good at reading people. He uses these abilities to troll the forums, probably because he is bored. @Null should give him something productive to do around here. Same goes for @cat.

 

[bearycool]

It's cat's birthday today, Dynastia is saying quality posts that are not actual bait and represent his sexy feelings (I love you Dynastia bb), Glaive is gone, Waifu is gone, and for once I'm not talking about cock in one of my posts.

You did it, everyone: you broke the universe, and have reach the singularity of insanity.

 

[Sanshain]

I'd just like to note that as far as I'm aware, the majority of private forums have the option to enable Admin reading of User PM's. I once played an online game where private chat could be read by the moderators, some of whom tried their level best to deny that this was the case. In my opinion, no forum PM system ought to be used to discuss private or personal matters of sensitive nature. Even when the system is unambiguously secure from outside viewing, all an Admin has to do is get your password and log into your account to see all of your private messages. I have been conditioned never to use an 'in-house' method of sending private information and messages when I can discuss the same info over Skype or an external program.

tl;dr: Anybody who uses PM's to discuss sensitive information on any forum is basically asking for that info to be known by others. Use Skype, or E-mails.

 

[HG 400]

@Null should give him something productive to do around here.

Whatever it is, I won't do it. I'm not staff material, I'm the absolute polar opposite of staff material, and sometimes I think me and Null are the only people here who realise that.

 

[ON 190]

Whatever it is, I won't do it. I'm not staff material, I'm the absolute polar opposite of staff material, and sometimes I think me and Null are the only people here who realise that.

All I wanted was for you to be elected as "King Shit of Fuck Mountain."

 

[DNJACK]