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[Bob Barbas]

I mean, the main cast is sociopathic murderers that regularly consume other robots for pleasure and hold no hard feelings towards each other's bodycounts, so it's not like they would've cared about anything Doll did or anybody who helped her kill people.

I guess that's just part of why the series has no feelings associated with it.
The cast doesn't care, so it's hard for the audience too.

Again it's part of why V's sacrifice feels so out of place and fucking weird because it's taken so seriously yet pretty much any other time someone died in the series it was basically treated as a joke and most characters just reacted like "lol, lmao even." even if she ended up surviving, the implication obviously was that she was expected to die.

 

[Gog & Magog]

Why do the Murder Drones look like they were drawn by a 13 year old on deviantart in 2009?

 

[Bob Barbas]

Why do the Murder Drones look like they were drawn by a 13 year old on deviantart in 2009?

I mean, the more I think about it the series really does feel like an old newgrounds series from 2009 if you gave one of those retarded teenagers a budget.
Complete with all of the failings you'd probably expect from that.

 

[Dynamite Bean]

Why do the Murder Drones look like they were drawn by a 13 year old on deviantart in 2009?

The shows entire aesthetic and vibe is like that, which I don't mind
what I do mind is how poorly it executes it, it wants to be like an edgy early newgrounds animation series but without the things that made those fun
it can't decide to take itself seriously or not take itself seriously, it has dumb zoomer humor instead of absurd and offensive edgy humor like you'd see from those

 

[Bob Barbas]

Getting back to the subject of drama though we know all of the Sean Chiplock bullshit but frankly I'm surprised Michael Kovach hasn't had any controversy like that yet.
Like am I the only one that feels like he's a bit off? Like if you asked me to guess any of the Glitch voice actors I would expect to be some brand of degenerate it would probably be Michael. Something about his voice and his furry avatar along with his "wholesome 100 chungus" attitude that just rubs me a certain way.

I dunno, there's just something off about him that I've always sensed so if it ever does turn out he's a degenerate in some manner I would not be fucking surprised is my point.
It's always the ones that seem the most "wholesome" or at least ATTEMPT to appear wholesome.

I just hope if something does happen it's something funny instead of like... you know. But I've learned to expect the worst, so. We can hope it'll end up being something we can just laugh at.

 

[Bob Barbas]

Apparently they got some green hair Vtuber to sing the song that was in the Murder Drones finale. Weird considering they just had one of the voice actors do the song before. (Like the song from V's sacrifice was sung by Uzi's voice actor.)
Unless the Vtuber is actually one of them and I'm just retarded but I don't remember seeing her name before. Zephyrianna? Whoever the fuck that is.

 

[BigJoey41X]

I hope this is the last time I'll go on a rant against Murder Drones in this thread because I'm honestly still mad how badly this was fumbled, but there's this little presentation slide that shows up for a couple seconds in the final episode that most likely is THE reason why the writing is so horrifically sloppy.

This fucker made an entire plot around CynTessa, no wonder everything prior was just ehhhh, like the half-hearted worldbuilding, the extremely unlikable and shallow characters, and of course, the inconsistent tonal approach.

This is also why everything after this reveal is super rushed, it's basically one last fight and a minute-long epilogue.

 

[Bob Barbas]

I hope this is the last time I'll go on a rant against Murder Drones in this thread because I'm honestly still mad how badly this was fumbled, but there's this little presentation slide that shows up for a couple seconds in the final episode that most likely is THE reason why the writing is so horrifically sloppy.

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This fucker made an entire plot around CynTessa, no wonder everything prior was just ehhhh, like the half-hearted worldbuilding, the extremely unlikable and shallow characters, and of course, the inconsistent tonal approach.

This is also why after this reveal is super rushed, it's basically one last fight and a minute-long epilogue.

Wow, I didn't spot this before but holy shit this actually explains just about everything. Like, genuinely. I know I said that a few times before but those were theories or guesses. This might be definitive proof.
So yeah, it was never about anything else besides revealing the leatherface robot. Most writers would come up with those kinds of ideas first and then build around them, but apparently Liam isn't most writers. So yeah, my theory about him needing a secondary writer to help him actually flesh shit out is probably on the money.
He's a great idea guy but can't write his way out of a paper bag it seems.

Also while we're on the subject of the last episode am I the only one that thought Uzi's stupid speech about how she's "totally heckin' cringe but free" was Liam indirectly talking to the people who were criticizing his poor writing? I can't be the only one that got that vibe from it.

Spoiler: Schizo Theory

Honestly, I feel like, and this might just be me schizoing a bit, but I feel like he was trying to replicate the writing style of something like the Devil May Cry games without understanding why those work in the first place. Basically he didn't understand that a big part of the reason why something like Devil May Cry can get away with having a very loose plot and vague lore is because of the medium. That being a video game, the focus is on the GAMEPLAY. You can't really do that with a web series. Not to mention Devil May Cry isn't written by retards who know how to make the most out of what little story there is. That shit takes talent, it's not just something you can wake up in the morning and decide to do. Oh also, the humor is way better in the DMC games too because they don't need to rely on meta-humor to be funny.

 

[BigJoey41X]

Also while we're on the subject of the last episode am I the only one that thought Uzi's stupid speech about how she's "totally heckin' cringe but free" was Liam indirectly talking to the people who were criticizing his poor writing? I can't be the only one that got that vibe from it.

Not really for me, BUT-

His entire online persona of being this "ironic meme guy" over everything he does, from both his projects and his public statements to his audience really does rub me off the wrong way, I would never mind it if, you know, his stuff was actually good, I would find it endearing even in some way, but no, with the added knowledge of his work being totally subpar, the whole act does feel like a cover in some way to excuse himself for his performance.

"It's all just silly fun guys"

 

[Bob Barbas]

Not really for me, BUT-

His entire online persona of being this "ironic meme guy" over everything he does, from both his projects and his public statements to his audience really does rub me off the wrong way, I would never mind it if, you know, his stuff was actually good, I would find it endearing even in some way, but no, with the added knowledge of his work being totally subpar, the whole act does feel like a cover in some way to excuse himself for his performance.

"It's all just silly fun guys"

Yeah that's exactly the vibe I got from it too. There was a guy in these threads awhile ago trying to push the same excuse and basically insisting people were just taking the series too seriously.
And sure, he might be right on some fronts but it really does feel like a cover. Especially when the series tried to do serious moments that were very obviously not meant to be played for a laugh that just fell flat on their faces because of Liam's terrible writing skills. I think it's just a cope, like straight up. I really do think it's just a way to deflect criticism like "Hahahahaha! It's all just a joke guys! That's why the writing is so shit, I was writing ironically!"

And he clearly just does not have the talent to make a cringey script cool either. Like Kojima, which I know I've brought up a lot before but it really does feel like he's trying to replicate that kind of stuff without understanding why it worked in the first place.
Kojima's writing is like fucking black magic, he writes what should be the goofiest, cringiest slock, but because he puts his fucking heart and soul into that bullshit it wraps back around to being endearing and even kind of cool at some points. You can't help but enjoy it.
Plus, Kojima was mega autistic and actually cared about his story and lore. Metal Gear's story is consistently insane.

Meanwhile Murder Drones kinda just feels like 90% inference in terms of lore and that's about it. There was basically nothing to balance out the terrible writing. The characters and their interactions weren't entertaining enough to distract you. The jokes and gags were all either bad and predictable or the usual current year-meta humor slop.
The only thing the series truly had going for it was the animation and the soundtrack. (And the voice acting I guess, they probably tried their best to work with the shit ass script they were given.)

 

[Dynamite Bean]

Liam being the monster girl lover he is, should of just stuck with character design related things and let others execute his ideas, I still think at the end of the day the character designs are really fun and unique for robots, they remind me out of something you'd see in an early cartoon network show

and all this info just further confirms his strengths are in design and maybe atmosphere, not storytelling or lore
goes back to again, just having a simple slice of life show, plenty of animus out there that are just about monster girls vibing and while it's not my thing it works, he could of done the same here with emo robots instead

 

[BigJoey41X]

Yeah that's exactly the vibe I got from it too. There was a guy in these threads awhile ago trying to push the same excuse and basically insisting people were just taking the series too seriously.
And sure, he might be right on some fronts but it really does feel like a cover. Especially when the series tried to do serious moments that were very obviously not meant to be played for a laugh that just fell flat on their faces because of Liam's terrible writing skills. I think it's just a cope, like straight up. I really do think it's just a way to deflect criticism like "Hahahahaha! It's all just a joke guys! That's why the writing is so shit, I was writing ironically!"

I don't agree with what that guy said, but what he said does make me think:

Is Murder Drones a "Black Comedy"?, does the faults of its storytelling can just be handwaved as just, "Oh it's just trying to make light of a messed-up situation like genocide or mass extinction, nothing more than that", what do you people think about this?

And he clearly just does not have the talent to make a cringey script cool either. Like Kojima, which I know I've brought up a lot before but it really does feel like he's trying to replicate that kind of stuff without understanding why it worked in the first place.
Kojima's writing is like fucking black magic, he writes what should be the goofiest, cringiest slock, but because he puts his fucking heart and soul into that bullshit it wraps back around to being endearing and even kind of cool at some points. You can't help but enjoy it.
Plus, Kojima was mega autistic and actually cared about his story and lore. Metal Gear's story is consistently insane.

The comparison with Kojima is quite apt, both are men with wild ideas and are also guilty of mixing both serious and comedic tones, often at the same time.

Metal Gear still somewhat works for me in my opinion, because it's ultimately just a video game, it can get away with a lot more because the gameplay is still fun, my expectations are different compared to say, an animated series.

And also yeah the fact that he still really cares about building his fictional world even with how generally goofy the entire thing is.

 

[Bob Barbas]

Is Murder Drones a "Black Comedy"?, does the faults of its storytelling can just be handwaved as just, "Oh it's just trying to make light of a messed-up situation like genocide or mass extinction, nothing more than that", what do you people think about this?

Nah, like Dynamite Bean mentioned a few pages ago, I don't think it's edgy enough to be considered a black comedy. If that's what Liam was going for I don't think he understood the assignment. If anything the series isn't really that edgy at all barring the fact that the main antagonist is a robot wearing a dead child's skin.

The comparison with Kojima is quite apt, both are men with wild ideas and are also guilty of mixing both serious and comedic tones, often at the same time.

The big difference is that Kojima or at the very least someone who helped him write the games knew how to balance the two. Unlike Liam where you just get tonal whiplash 24/7.

And also yeah the fact that he still really cares about building his fictional world even with how generally goofy the entire thing is.

I think it might just come down to the fact that Liam and Kojima just have very different brands of autism and Liam's brand of autism clearly didn't assist him as much as Kojima's did. Like I said before for instance you could tell Kojima had an autistic obsession with military shit and technology and it's part of what made some of his bullshit lore so neat and believable you could tell he really did his research at times to make things at least sound plausible. (Not all of the time but enough that you really noticed it.)

Whereas Liam's thing seems to be character designs but beyond that is terrible at coming up with stories to befit those designs. So, from where I'm sitting it seems like the problem was they put a character designer in charge of writing.

 

[Bob Barbas]

The plot is such a mess it just struck me today too how completely pointless the patch even was. Especially since Uzi was able to just say "lol no" the very next episode when the solver tried to possess her again because... reasons?
Like for real, what in the fuck was Liam on writing this shit?

It would have made more sense to just have Uzi get the patch and that be the reason why she can just tell the Solver to fuck off. Like the harder I think about it, the more confused and annoyed I become.

 

[BigJoey41X]

The plot is such a mess it just struck me today too how completely pointless the patch even was. Especially since Uzi was able to just say "lol no" the very next episode when the solver tried to possess her again because... reasons?
Like for real, what in the fuck was Liam on writing this shit?

It would have made more sense to just have Uzi get the patch and that be the reason why she can just tell the Solver to fuck off. Like the harder I think about it, the more confused and annoyed I become.

umm actually its just a red herring okay?, learn to actually understand the plot retard

(This is what I have heard from it's defenders)

Edit: This is actually pretty much the big explanation for pretty much all of its dropped plot points

 

[Bob Barbas]

umm actually its just a red herring okay?, learn to actually understand the plot retard

(This is what I have heard from it's defenders)

Like it's just so confusing to me that the only two options are either Liam is just genuinely a big fucking retard when it comes to writing storylines
Or the more charitable option that people have posed before
He's writing it badly on purpose.

But if I'm being honest that second one just has the same energy as "I was merely pretending to be retarded!" like, okay any other sane writer would've had this line of thinking.
"We need a way for Uzi to resist The Solver's powers so they can have the big showdown..."

"I know! Let's introduce a software patch that is meant to block The Solver from controlling her!"

"That's a great idea! So we'll just have Uzi attain that patch in the prior episode so its effects can be fully utilized in the following episode during their battle!... Right? That's what we're gonna do right?"

"..."
Like, I actually don't know how someone can be that retarded unless they were doing it on purpose though. But at the same time, ironic shitty writing is still shitty writing.
I know, I know it's autistic to care this much and to continue talking about it, but I can't help it, especially as someone that writes as a hobby. Like this series genuinely confounds me. I do not know how someone can write something this sloppily and almost completely fail at everything they were trying to do.
Unless they were intentionally trying to make the most retarded uninteresting shit ass show despite the surprisingly good animation for an indie show and the kick ass soundtrack. In which case, Liam deserves a fucking prize.

I wish we lived in the timeline where Liam actually got better as he went and the show actually got a semi-coherent plot. That's all I want man.

 

[BigJoey41X]

Like it's just so confusing to me that the only two options are either Liam is just genuinely a big fucking retard when it comes to writing storylines
Or the more charitable option that people have posed before
He's writing it badly on purpose.

But if I'm being honest that second one just has the same energy as "I was merely pretending to be retarded!" like, okay any other sane writer would've had this line of thinking.
"We need a way for Uzi to resist The Solver's powers so they can have the big showdown..."

"I know! Let's introduce a software patch that is meant to block The Solver from controlling her!"

"That's a great idea! So we'll just have Uzi attain that patch in the prior episode so its effects can be fully utilized in the following episode during their battle!... Right? That's what we're gonna do right?"

Sorry, but eating the null void core thing is the funnier option

but for the real reason?, the fucker just probably forgot about it, the sheer amount of details he writes in clearly starts becoming too much that he has to discard a lot of the stuff he tried to setup, the pilot is the perfect example, I know pilots are meant to be test runs of a series, but the sheer amount of stuff that got changed in between it and the rest of the season was incredibly jarring, and made worse to the fact that this is meant to be a direct continuation

"..."
Like, I actually don't know how someone can be that retarded unless they were doing it on purpose though. But at the same time, ironic shitty writing is still shitty writing.
I know, I know it's autistic to care this much and to continue talking about it, but I can't help it, especially as someone that writes as a hobby. Like this series genuinely confounds me. I do not know how someone can write something this sloppily and almost completely fail at everything they were trying to do.
Unless they were intentionally trying to make the most retarded uninteresting shit ass show despite the surprisingly good animation for an indie show and the kick ass soundtrack. In which case, Liam deserves a fucking prize.

I don't blame you, I'm suffering from the same thing, this terrible show has been living in my head rent free for months now, even after it has been completed.

It probably has something to do with the fact that there was clear passion put into this show, from the creator, to the animation team, to the guy that made that soundtrack, you can tell they ALL put their heart and soul into this, it feels so much more painful seeing all that effort only end up ultimately creating a very pretty and stylistic, but ultimately insubstantial product.

...And the fact that it appealed exactly to my tastes, a comparison is HH/HB, those shows are also a clusterfuck, but I can make fun of it as much as i want with no strings attached, i never has any emotional connection with that since I'm not an homosexual teenage girl, but this is different, I WANTED to see this show be as best at it can be, but sadly, it just didn't happen, and that fucking pisses me off to no end.

 

[Bob Barbas]

I WANTED to see this show be as best at it can be, but sadly, it just didn't happen, and that fucking pisses me off to no end.

Yup, that's the worst part. But people will call you a hater despite it.
If I actually hated the show 100% I would just say "lol, show bad." and move on.
I directly point out its flaws because that's constructive criticism. Even though there's a zero chance Liam will probably ever see it. But nobody learns anything if you never talk about what you did wrong.

Honestly I'm starting to wonder if the obvious audience of small children who are literally too young to understand good writing screaming about how fucking amazing and deep these one-dimensional non-characters are played a part in why this happened. I can't even say Liam might have just maliciously ignored criticism when the screaming children probably just drowned all of it out.

No seriously, it actually kind of frightens me seeing people being so attached to this show and being obsessed with certain characters because they're genuinely so shallow because the show barely ever explores them. I really hope it's all just kids but I'm already cynical so I wouldn't be surprised if it was a bunch of retarded adults.

 

[BigJoey41X]

Yup, that's the worst part. But people will call you a hater despite it.
If I actually hated the show 100% I would just say "lol, show bad." and move on.
I directly point out its flaws because that's constructive criticism. Even though there's a zero chance Liam will probably ever see it. But nobody learns anything if you never talk about what you did wrong.

Honestly I'm starting to wonder if the obvious audience of small children who are literally too young to understand good writing screaming about how fucking amazing and deep these one-dimensional non-characters are played a part in why this happened. I can't even say Liam might have just maliciously ignored criticism when the screaming children probably just drowned all of it out

From what I have seen, the core fanbase is mostly teenagers and/or young adults, naturally, i mean im literally in the latter group so-

Its a good time to segue into analyzing them.

They seem to be more focused by the pretty good visuals and spectacle of the whole thing, and the fact the characters are visually appealing (sexually), and the music, they all go on the most surface level aspects as a reason to like it.

That's disappointing, very few of these people actually go deeper than that.

I think this is just a larger symptom of the western animation( or actually just animation, manga/anime are also affected by this to some extent) zeitgeist, too many of them are too autistic about their favorite characters over actually analyzing the shows they come from, this leads to a lot of them, even ones with very questionable writing decisions to still be massively popular.

No seriously, it actually kind of frightens me seeing people being so attached to this show and being obsessed with certain characters because they're genuinely so shallow because the show barely ever explores them. I really hope it's all just kids but I'm already cynical so I wouldn't be surprised if it was a bunch of retarded adults.

I would call out the fandom for doing this, and I will because sanitizing characters is fucking stupid, but...

...Liam did this himself, think, how many times did the main characters were explicitly shown on-screen to be doing extremely fucked up stuff (not to mention the implied stuff), but then to only be forgiven and even be shown in a comedic way and pretend like it wasn't REALLY all that bad?

He made his characters out to be psychopathic fucks, but because he was too irony-poisoned and couldn't commit to it (as usual), he wound up just excusing all of their heinous deeds, what an absolutely hare-brained retarded move.

The only reason anyone would like these characters is either you are delusional, and deliberately ignored their unsavory side, or you wanted to fuck them, or both.

 

[Bob Barbas]

The only reason anyone would like these characters are either you are delusional, and deliberately ignored their unsavory side, or you wanted to fuck them, or both.

From what I've seen, an unfortunate amount of people are both.
I guess they never heard the famous Sun Tzu quote: "Don't stick your dick in crazy, nigga."