Global warming/Climate change thread - is it real or bullshit?

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I don't believe Climate Change about it because it's not science. If your line of work is dependent on a problem and you are the one responsible to argue about it's existence, you absolutely refuse to go against extremists in your profession (but do crack down on anyone saying the opposite), and work on a 30 year old model that never gets updated then where the fuck is the legitimacy?

 

[MugolEx]

Climate change is real but the extent of it has been exaggerated for political and "feel good" reasons. I remember in the early 2000's how it was a "fact" that the water levels of the great lakes around Michigan were going to become so low by 2016 that cargo ships wouldn't be able to sail any more. But in 2016 and onward, the water levels have been some of the highest in the past two decades.

What really pisses me off is when climate activists talk about renewable energy like we can just pull out of our asses like magic. They have no idea how expensive, resource intensive, and even wasteful building the infrastructure for that would be. These activists seem to have no idea that solar panels have toxic byproducts like silicon tetrachloride, of which we wouldn't have anywhere to safely dispose of in high amounts if we decided to put solar panels on every house in America. Not to mention we would have to continually make replacements and create a system to recycle old power cells. This is all excluding the environmental impact and raw material usage of other components like batteries which you would need a fuck ton of for a all green America.

We have a good renewable energy source already but, nuclear energy is seen as too risky for many asinine reasons. "MUH CHERNOBYL" > shitty communist construction, "MUH THREE MILE ISLAND" > more of a false alarm and the media hyped it up without later corrections being made, "MUH FUKUSHIMA" > don't place nuclear power plants next to the fucking ocean. Not to mention we could be using thorium which produces more energy, less wasteful, more abundant, and reduces the chance of a meltdown to practically zero even from external incidents like what happened at Fukushima. If these people truly believed that the world is going to end if we don't "do something" then any other means shouldn't be an issue for them if we're fucked anyways.

More libertarians and republicans have solar panels and wind turbines than progressives because they like independence (and better credit scores). Progressives want others to act, they don’t and won’t buy anything themselves because they don’t want to take personal responsibility. They want to force others to change.

I'm not surprised. No one is actually against renewable energy, especially not governments. The less resource dependent you can be from other countries the better. No need to cow tow to Saudi prince's when you can fulfill your country's energy demand all on your own.

 

[Dave.]

The world is going to change no matter how much fucking effort we put in to "stop" it. Putting millions of people's lives and livelihoods at risk is not going to fix anything because in a couple centuries, Japan is going to LITERALLY become apart of the United States. I'm not a shred surprised either that these same activists or believers in Climate Change don't give enough of a shit to research the "clean" technology they utilize or play around with and I'm not fucking surprised that these same people happen to come from bored, posh, and rich backgrounds where the only thing they have to give a shit about is what's on their television, computer screen, or iPhone screen. I'm also not utterly surprised these people have never been to or interacted with any of the people they will be fucking over with their magical policies that will totally fix the world guise!

My honest opinion is I don't care if it's real or not. Fuck the west coast. If it drowns in the ocean then I'll be surfing their watery grave with a smile on my face. If they really want to convince me they're serious about stopping climate change, they need to start pushing to stop overbreeding cats (which let's be real, they probably own at least three and housecats wreck fucking havoc on the environment), stop using technology that becomes obsolete every two years, and stop pushing for consumerism of funko pops or useless collectible products which manufacturing also causes harm to the environment. Until then, they're just spoiled kids thinking they can change the world to me and I regard them as such.

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

Climate change is real but the extent of it has been exaggerated for political and "feel good" reasons. I remember in the early 2000's how it was a "fact" that the water levels of the great lakes around Michigan were going to become so low by 2016 that cargo ships wouldn't be able to sail any more. But in 2016 and onward, the water levels have been some of the highest in the past two decades.

What really pisses me of when climate activist talk about renewable energy like we can just pull out of our ass like magic. They have no idea how expensive, resource intensive, and even wasteful building the infrastructure for that would be. These activists seem to have no idea that solar panels have toxic byproducts like silicon tetrachloride, of which we wouldn't have any where to safely dispose of in high amounts if we decided to put solar panels on every house in America. Not to mention we would have to continually make replacements and create a system to recycle old power cells. This is all excluding the environmental impact and raw material usage of other components like batteries which you would need a fuck ton of in a all green America.

We have a good renewable energy source already but nuclear energy is seen as too risky for many asinine reasons. "MUH CHERNOBYL" > shitty communist construction, "MUH THREE MILE ISLAND" > more of a false alarm and the media hyped it up without later corrections being made, "MUH FUKUSHIMA" > don't place nuclear power plants near the fucking ocean. Not to mention we could be using thorium which produces more energy, less wasteful, more abundant, and reduces the chance of a meltdown to practically zero even from external incidents like what happened at Fukushima. If these people truly believed that the world is going to end if we don't "do something" then any other means shouldn't be in issue for them if we're fucked anyways.

Nuclear is a good litmus test to see if you’re talking with a person with environmentalist beliefs or a parrot.

I'm not surprised. No one is actually against renewable energy, especially not governments. The less resource dependent you can be from other countries the better. No need to cow tow to Saudi prince's when you can fulfill your country's energy demand all on your own.

I’d like to emphasize there are progressives who do get renewable energy but it’s not the influencers or social media addicts that like to signal boost environmentalism online. It’s usually normies looking to save money or autists that want to live off the grid. The former seem very normal and the latter may be odd but they are willing to challenge the status quo.

Edit
A lot of conservatives are open to saving money, which it can (it depends), but a lot like to be independent of the grid or at least not 100% dependent on it.

 

[LetterlandMafia]

Climate change is real; most of the 'debate' around it nowadays is running around in circles as people try to crowbar their personal ambitions into the umbrella. Look at how 'climate justice' has swiftly entered the lexicon as a means of pushing through things that have nothing to do with climate: at her most recent self-indulgent party talk Greta was banging on about colonialism.

For me the biggest concerns are areas becoming less habitable due to more volatile weather, which will result in mass migration, and declining biodiversity. I think we'll eventually decarbonize, but it'll be a long road to it as the issues of cost, efficiency and storage are worked out, and there'll certainly be no actual urgent response like world leaders keep pretending they're going to do.

 

[SneedEyeMitch]

Do you mean the changing of the climate or that political push with the same name in which governments have finally found a way to tax air?

 

[jje100010001]

Climate change is real but the extent of it has been exaggerated for political and "feel good" reasons. I remember in the early 2000's how it was a "fact" that the water levels of the great lakes around Michigan were going to become so low by 2016 that cargo ships wouldn't be able to sail any more. But in 2016 and onward, the water levels have been some of the highest in the past two decades.

What really pisses me of when climate activist talk about renewable energy like we can just pull out of our ass like magic. They have no idea how expensive, resource intensive, and even wasteful building the infrastructure for that would be. These activists seem to have no idea that solar panels have toxic byproducts like silicon tetrachloride, of which we wouldn't have any where to safely dispose of in high amounts if we decided to put solar panels on every house in America. Not to mention we would have to continually make replacements and create a system to recycle old power cells. This is all excluding the environmental impact and raw material usage of other components like batteries which you would need a fuck ton of in a all green America.

We have a good renewable energy source already but nuclear energy is seen as too risky for many asinine reasons. "MUH CHERNOBYL" > shitty communist construction, "MUH THREE MILE ISLAND" > more of a false alarm and the media hyped it up without later corrections being made, "MUH FUKUSHIMA" > don't place nuclear power plants near the fucking ocean. Not to mention we could be using thorium which produces more energy, less wasteful, more abundant, and reduces the chance of a meltdown to practically zero even from external incidents like what happened at Fukushima. If these people truly believed that the world is going to end if we don't "do something" then any other means shouldn't be in issue for them if we're fucked anyways.


I'm not surprised. No one is actually against renewable energy, especially not governments. The less resource dependent you can be from other countries the better. No need to cow tow to Saudi prince's when you can fulfill your country's energy demand all on your own.

The fundamental elephant in the room is over-population (largely in the developing world) + over-consumption (in the developed world).

Everyone chasing techno-mysticism and 'muh green economy' is headed down the wrong path, and the environmentally aware are often led astray by those very same economic hucksters promising the same old perpetual growth lie greenwashed with wind turbines, recyclable packaging, and LEED certifications.

Degrowth and localism (reconnecting your supply chains to local sources) is the way out, but I have some doubts that they'd be realized in any significant form without severe economic issues first running the current economy system into a ditch.

 

[Kiwisee]

Climate change does exist, as it always has for 4.5 billion years if we’re going by geological evidence thanks to fossil analysis (which has a system called carbon dating).

However, humans do not have as much control over the weather as activists would convince you. If anything, nature still has the upper hand over humanity because it can punish us severely for altering our immediate environment (just look at what is happening to China with the sandstorms that they used to rarely get prior to mass deforestation. Turns out, the forests were protecting the mainland from the Gobi Desert).

Source: https://www.fao.org/3/xii/0859-b5.htm

And that’s just one example of how nature will fuck you if you remove forests to build more concrete jungles. The forests will eventually return, once there’s no human presence left.

Just look at how quickly forests have started to spring up in Chernobyl for example, with trees emerging from where concrete was laid. The same concrete which is now being gradually overtaken by vegetation.

https://media.wired.com/photos/5cd5ee67426f104d1f89dda2/master/w_2560%2Cc_limit/science_chernobyl-animals_16357566641098.jpg

And that’s just after 33 years, let’s look at this ghost town in Canada that’s been abandoned for 50+ years:

George Carlin pretty much had it right when he said that the *planet* is fine, but *humanity* is fucked in the long run.

Wildlife will move on with or without us, and there’s not a whole lot we can really do about it. We as humans have merely *adapted* to living on this planet. Nature almost always wins the long game. If anything is going to lead to our own demise as a species, it is becoming *too* successful for our own good.

 

[Ser Prize]

>last month or so
lol dude it's been like this since the 90s

Remember when it was the ozone layer dissipating?

 

[Unheard Bird]

If climate change is such a pressing issue to all these companies and tech giants, why is crap fast fashion like SheIn being promoted?

I remember when Al Gore's overglorified powerpoint presentation came out, this is the same thing, with more hysteria and consumerism and identity politics to propel it further.

 

[MarcellaM]

I think that there is climate change. But that process has started lots of years ago, and still hasn't finished. And there are. of course, factors which affect it.

 

[WULULULULU]

Climate Change most definitely exists. The changes in weather are more apparent in the non-First World Countries (stronger heat/storms/etc.).

 

[gang weeder]

It's a rhetorical sleight-of-hand like so many other leftist concepts. Yes, the climate does change. No, there is not a "climate emergency," and basically everything even remotely connected to terms like "sustainable," "renewable," "green," etc., is all a huge scam and grift. Now of course, any attempt at analyzing anything """climate""" related is impossible because if you reject the notion of a """climate emergency,""" you are drowned in a flood of people screeching "ARE YOU SAYING CLIMATE CHANGE DOESN'T EXIST!?l!i@j!i#j!@*($ueJ?!li@#j!@~"

This is similar to how the left operates on many issues:

"Covid lockdowns are retarded and don't work" --> "ARE YOU SAYING COVID DOESNT EXIST23#*$yu@#$!"
"Racism against black people is not a major problem in the present day" --> "ARE YOU SAYING REACISM DOESN'T EXIST?@#!ji@#!i@y$"
"This whole trans thing has gone way too far" --> "ARE YOU SAYING TRANNIES DONT EXIST@#?:!o#j!@"!j@$!oij@#$"

Repeat ad nauseum.

 

[Kiwi & Cow]

While it is real, the hippies, social left "environmentalists" and hypobolic histrionics can go fuck themselves because their opinions on the subject are worth shit.

What bullshit haven't we all heard from them by now? Like that one time when we were told that we needed to replace gasoline cars with electric cars to fight off climate change which are ironically indirectly fueled on coal. Electric cars are also not only more expensive than gasoline cars, but their effect on the climate is not a net positive and I keep hearing how the gov wanted to ban gas cars altogether.

Fuck electric cars man and fuck the hippies. Climate change in the context of debate is rhetorical, pure and simple.

 

[Wormy]

All I know is that I was wearing shorts outside in December in the fucking mid-atlantic coast. You tell me.

 

[LetterlandMafia]

While it is real, the hippies, social left "environmentalists" and hypobolic histrionics can go fuck themselves because their opinions on the subject are worth shit.

What bullshit haven't we all heard from them by now? Like that one time when we were told that we needed to replace gasoline cars with electric cars to fight off climate change which are ironically indirectly fueled on coal. Electric cars are also not only more expensive than gasoline cars, but their effect on the climate is not a net positive and I keep hearing how the gov wanted to ban gas cars altogether.

Fuck electric cars man and fuck the hippies. Climate change in the context of debate is rhetorical, pure and simple.

It feels like we’ve entered a ‘second stage’ of climate activism, for need of a better term. In 2018-19 we had things like XR and the Climate Gremlin sounding the alarm, all the governments started talking like they’re going to do something, and now all the activists are going around handwaving away things like nuclear power and electric cars and any other suggestions for decarbonisation. Nowadays they’re mostly prattling on about “climate justice”. Whatever anyone does or suggests they’re never happy. It’s only going to turn people away as they rightly get dismissed as watermelons more interested in degrowth fantasies than helping the planet.

 

[Osmosis Jones]

Climate change in politics is a forever war by the government against the masses. It's the end-all be-all of fabricating necessity for TPTB. If they really gave a shit and this was a real issue that we could meaningfully impact, they would attack corporations that overuse packaging et al. Also I think if it were nearly as catastrophic and severe as it is claimed, I don't think a bunch of labcoats standing in a dimly lit room with metaphors about clocks and jackasses blocking highways would be the only reaction.

Barring politics, I do notice the weather becoming more severe over time and that fact is undeniable, as is the fact of waste in our oceans and carbon in our air. We do use a ludicrous amount of petroleum based products very flagrantly and carbon based fuels are burned for just about everything. It would be unreasonable to assume humanity has nothing to do with the climate changing.

What TPTB really fears is the mass migrations, food shortages, unforeseen challenges due to extenuating weather and environmental conditions, and the inevitable revolt when we all realise TPTB can't and never could do anything to stop the changes to Earth's climate.

In summation: climate change is real, our impact is undeniable but the severity of it and whether it would change anything at all is questionable, and TPTB abuse the fact of changing climate to keep people down and remind us that we need them to fix it. As other users stated, current renewable energy offerings and prospects are no less wasteful or harmful than what we use today. They can be very effective on a small scale, but are unfeasible on a large scale. For projects that promise to actually remove carbon from the air, the current technology would require a substantial number be built (tens or hundreds of thousands globally, at expense) to make an impact that is remotely beneficial.

The conundrum of asking people to reduce their carbon footprint while selling them products that only increase their carbon footprint is detestable.

 

[LetterlandMafia]

Google showing a series of time lapse images of various sites and how they’ve changed over the years for Earth Day. It’s a good illustration, I think - far better for changing minds than the daft stunts pulled by Extinction Rebellion and the like.

 

[topsikrets]

It's probably bullshit.
Are billionaires still buying beachfront properties? They still allowed to have private jets? Are "academic" types still anti-nuclear? China/India still building coal plants?

It's yet another attack on western whites using their naivety and altruism against them.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Barring politics, I do notice the weather becoming more severe over time and that fact is undeniable

More severe compared to what? Hurricanes have been consistently less powerful and less frequent for the last twenty years or more, despite better detection methods roping in all the tiny and non-landfalling hurricanes that would never have been noticed before. Temperature records are only being broken in the middle of enormous urban heat islands and at airports, and other unrepresentative microclimates. Any flood or storm you might point to is not outside of the bounds set by historic events in those areas. Fewer people die in weather-driven disasters, despite a greater population. The only tangible difference between historic events and now is the size of the insurance payouts and the damage caused to infrastructure, both of which are the result of the increasing population size and currency inflation making all the numbers look bigger.