GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[AmpleApricots]

The 5800X3D is a niche CPU to recommend and $450 continues to be a bad price point for an 8-core, but OTOH it's one of the final upgrade paths for AM4 and you'll get stupidly high performance in certain games. We'll have to see how well it ages.

Yeah, that final upgrade on the old socket. In the past, you kinda kept telling yourself that this is a thing you could still do one day when your current CPU is too old but in the end, you'd never end up doing it because the new stuff was just so much better. But well, things have changed and computers get older so maybe?

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Do you have a HDD activity light? Is it blinking in these soft locks? Then it might be your drive. Read out it's health status and check if there are firmware updates.

That said, I am sure the cooler in it's current configuration probably pulls the hot air it just exhausted in again, which won't cool as well as it could, as there's no air flow in the case. A vent like construction to the exhaust only allowing to pull in air from the outside I'm willing to bet would add a lot of the cooling without really adding any additional "cost". I might try that for shits and giggles.

I ended up doing this with some foam I cut into shape and it dropped ~5C off the APU. It also solved a very weird issue I was having with my onboard wireless creeping up to 70C and coming close to the overheating trigger point. Knocked right ~15-20C off that part. (my guess is the heatsink fan kept blowing the recycled hot air onto it) The whole case feels noticably colder to the touch (I know that is not exactly scientific but yeah, it really does) after a few hours of operation too and there's now a noticeable draft at the exhaust that wasn't there before. It's not optimal for the parts to just sit in all that hot air and hope the case radiates it out, who would've known. Noctua seemed to have figured it out too as they sell a fancy kit for doing this, but we're not that fancy here. I guess vents aren't popular as they're not exactly pretty but my case has no way to easily look into it so who cares.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Yeah, that final upgrade on the old socket. In the past, you kinda kept telling yourself that this is a thing you could still do one day when your current CPU is too old but in the end, you'd never end up doing it because the new stuff was just so much better. But well, things have changed and computers get older so maybe?

There is no right answer, but if you have a compatible motherboard and can replace a Zen/Zen+ CPU or one of the slower Zen 2 CPUs, then a 5600, 5600G, 5700G, 5800X, 5800X3D, 5900X, or 5950X might be appealing. 5800X3D or 5800X for the highly specific gamer, 5600 for the budget gamer, 5950X for a budget workstation or server, 5700G for no discrete GPU, 5600G same but cheapass, and 5900X for the price/performance stickler who doesn't want to shell out another $150 for the 5950X. It helps that some of these are much cheaper now, for example $550 for the 5950X instead of $800.

What will the AM5 socket offer that matters to a long-term, cost-conscious Zen 3 user? You don't need PCIe 5.0 storage. I think it will take until Zen 6 to double single-threaded performance from Zen 3, not counting V-Cache variants. Core counts could rise to 24-32 on the socket but most people won't need that. Games will probably be fine because the PS5/XSX are using Zen 2. The most interesting things on AM5 for me will be the desktop APUs. Most of the other CPUs should have at least weak integrated graphics, which could be good enough for a HTPC or retro gaming budget build. There will also be AI accelerators arriving around Zen 5, but it won't be immediately clear how useful they are.

 

[HERE YOU GO]

when you start rendering that animation and go to bed, but what you didn't realize was it was set to output 10,000 .pngs and didn't save as .avi

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

when you start rendering that animation and go to bed, but what you didn't realize was it was set to output 10,000 .pngs and didn't save as .avi
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You mean you accidentally did it right?

I accidentally found a channel that is sort of relevant to this post: intentional dumbassery

He doesn't go into details or (from my brief viewing) try to understand why things happen but it's kind of fun to see someone treat a consumer computer like everything was hot pluggable.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

You mean you accidentally did it right?

I accidentally found a channel that is sort of relevant to this post: intentional dumbassery

He doesn't go into details or (from my brief viewing) try to understand why things happen but it's kind of fun to see someone treat a consumer computer like everything was hot pluggable.

I would almost say he deserves a mention on the consumerism thread but I am just more angry that he is ruining perfectly fine components!

Do you have a HDD activity light? Is it blinking in these soft locks? Then it might be your drive. Read out it's health status and check if there are firmware updates.

Drive is working. I should mention this is a jury rigged device since Windows 7/XP ISOs refuse to compile or install and boot with its drivers because the company was a jackass and removed its Windows 7/XP drivers.

I do get this one error repeatedly before a crash though( have already rebuilt the perf registry):

Could not get performance counter registry info for WSearchIdxPi for instance due to the following error: The operation completed successfully. 0x0.

Usually I need to reboot within the first 5 minutes of a bootup for the day and then I can be fine for hours. I thought it was a bad connection at first and reseated everything earlier this week. So who knows?

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

Usually I need to reboot within the first 5 minutes of a bootup for the day and then I can be fine for hours. I thought it was a bad connection at first and reseated everything earlier this week. So who knows?

From what you said about chkdsk it could be that you have a turbo-corrupt area on your system drive. I've had a string of expansion drives failing me over the past year and one thing I noticed was that opening certain files could instantly nuke a program like Photoshop. When checking the files they were of course broken, but broken in a very special "the drive is dead here" kind of way. Otherwise it worked. Never seen anything like it before. This happened on two drives, the expansion I bought and the one I bought to replace it with, both broke. Dead. I'm on my third one now.

If something similar is going on with your system drive Windows might have an allergic reaction when reading/writing to certain areas. And you have used something like CrystalDiskInfo, right? "SMART says it's ok despite..." is a trap I'm well aware of now. Maybe run CrystalDisk once a day, screenshot it, save it, repeat over the next few days, and see what changes.


What I was really going to post about was DDR5 prices, they seemed to have gone down a bit and where I live "Kingston Fury Beast DDR5 4800MHz 2x16GB" is at ~$6 per gigabyte and ~$190 for 32GB DDR5 isn't bad. According to the price chart I'm looking at the same kit cost $280 in January.

 

[AmpleApricots]

I explicitly said firmware because I used to have an nvme drive (from intel) that had a firmware bug that would only rear it's head when doing a ton of reads, and nowhere else, leading to corrupt reads. (data was fine, just the reading made it appear corrupt) Fun to figure out. intels changelog nodes akin to "improve stability" didn't exactly help tracking the issue down. Only after flashing the firmware the bug disappeared and it was more a hail mary than anything else, really.

 

[April1st]

Recently bought an I5 for my 12th gen motherboard, but I feel like I should of got an I9 CPU. Is it worth buying an I9?

 

[StopSneeding]

Recently bought an I5 for my 12th gen motherboard, but I feel like I should of got an I9 CPU. Is it worth buying an I9?

What do you primarily use the PC for and which chip did you end up getting? 12600(k) is pretty much all you need for gaming right now. 12700 is still a good value, but you get diminishing returns. That's the highest end gaming CPU I recommend for a price to performance ratio. The higher end i7s and i9s really only make sense if you are doing video encoding or heavy workloads. If you are just gaming then it is overkill and you would be better off spending that $ on a GPU. If you are overclocking RAM you may want a better chip as the IMC quality is better. The cores for the i7/i9s are better binned and can generally overclock higher than lower chips.

 

[Brain Problems]

What's the go-to wattage for power supplies these days? I keep seeing 1000w ones on sale and that seems pretty gigantic to me but I haven't built a machine or paid attention to power consumption issues for almost 10 years.

 

[Overly Serious]

What's the go-to wattage for power supplies these days? I keep seeing 1000w ones on sale and that seems pretty gigantic to me but I haven't built a machine or paid attention to power consumption issues for almost 10 years.

It's been getting pretty absurd, mainly because people are building silly high-end systems and the modern top end of GPUs are drinking lots of power. Unless you're going to do that, you should be able to get by with a lot less. Mine is 850W, iirc, but then I was prone to overkill and I do have a machine geared to some heavy computation.

You can use sites like these to calculate your needs:

https://outervision.com/power-supply-calculator

http://www.powersupplycalculator.net/

https://pc-builds.com/power-supply-calculator

750W is plenty for even most gaming systems. And less for something that's not so fancy. The one advice I'd say is that don't compromise on the PSU. Sure, don't buy some 1000W monster when you don't need it but do NOT cheap out on something crappy or off-brand. PSU is the part of my computer that I am LEAST willing to compromise on. Even more so than drives and processor. It's the thing that ensures everything else stays healthy and a good brand and a good quality level with a bit of wattage overhead should last you forever.

I have heard that the next gen Nvidia cards are going to by very power-hungry. Just rumours so far, though.

 

[Stasi]

I think this came out a little while ago but I recently saw some videos on AMD's RSR upscaling. Looked pretty good but after a little digging, from what I understand it only works on new cards and does not work on iGPUs? Seems like a weird move from AMD, you would think people that would benefit the most from that sort of thing are people with old cards and integrated graphics and this seems like a bit of a fuck you from AMD to the consumers.

Anyone here mess about with the upscaling stuff on iGPUs? I was thinking of doing some tinkering with my Vega 10 laptop but seems like a no go unless there are some third party programmes out there I'm not aware of.

 

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I think this came out a little while ago but I recently saw some videos on AMD's RSR upscaling. Looked pretty good but after a little digging, from what I understand it only works on new cards and does not work on iGPUs? Seems like a weird move from AMD, you would think people that would benefit the most from that sort of thing are people with old cards and integrated graphics and this seems like a bit of a fuck you from AMD to the consumers.

I think it's more intended for weird freaks with 4K displays who want to play games which don't even support 4K resolutions. From what I've seen on video, with limited use myself, it (like all of these upscaling technologies- Nvidia DLSS, and AMD FSR 1.0 and FSR 2.0 (RSR is the same algorithm as AMD FSR 1.0 I believe)) seems to do a much better job upscaling from lower resolutions to 4K than say from 720p to 1080p or 1440p.

Additionally, you have to bear in mind that RSR upscales everything within the game, including menus, the HUD, etc, which will tend to look a bit naff vs. FSR, which is the same upscaling tech added to a game engine by the developer, which won't have those problems.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

I think this came out a little while ago but I recently saw some videos on AMD's RSR upscaling. Looked pretty good but after a little digging, from what I understand it only works on new cards and does not work on iGPUs? Seems like a weird move from AMD, you would think people that would benefit the most from that sort of thing are people with old cards and integrated graphics and this seems like a bit of a fuck you from AMD to the consumers.

Anyone here mess about with the upscaling stuff on iGPUs? I was thinking of doing some tinkering with my Vega 10 laptop but seems like a no go unless there are some third party programmes out there I'm not aware of.

Use FSR instead of RSR. The messaging from AMD is a bit strange, RSR only work on 5000-series and upwards while FSR works on pretty much everything. At first glance it seems like RSR would be the better and more advanced alternative.

AMD even says:

Q: Is AMD replacing FSR with RSR?

A: No, RSR and FSR will live alongside each other. RSR will benefit most on games that do not natively support FSR. However, if a game does have FSR, then we recommend using FSR as an in-game implementation that will typically yield better results.

 

[Symalsa]

What's the go-to wattage for power supplies these days? I keep seeing 1000w ones on sale and that seems pretty gigantic to me but I haven't built a machine or paid attention to power consumption issues for almost 10 years.

Its tough because so many GPUS are out there that aren't power hogs. 1000w is my go to PSU too because Im usually building a machine with a more powerful GPU.

It really depends more even more nowadays on what you're doing. If you're gaming at 1080p you can get away with a 6600xt which uses almost no power.

So its possible nowadays to have a strong(er) PC and not need anything more than 850w

 

[bigoogabaloogas]

Shouldn't have waited to buy a CPU, since the 5600x is now $220 reeeeeeee

 

[DeadwastePrime]

Shouldn't have waited to buy a CPU, since the 5600x is now $220 reeeeeeee

get on my level. i can nab a 3700x for less than 180 off ebay if i wanted, however im saving up cash for a bike so i'll have to wait on that unless i have extra cash remaining

 

[TheDarknessGrows]

I am looking to upgrade from a much older video card and have settled on two options that will be a huge upgrade. On the one hand is a RTX 3060 with 12GB of VRAM and on the other is a RTX 3070 with 8GB of VRAM.

Both will be great and are of similar price. But I was wondering what the opinions were concerning a better chipset versus more VRAM. I am leaning toward more VRAM.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

I am looking to upgrade from a much older video card and have settled on two options that will be a huge upgrade. On the one hand is a RTX 3060 with 12GB of VRAM and on the other is a RTX 3070 with 8GB of VRAM.

Both will be great and are of similar price. But I was wondering what the opinions were concerning a better chipset versus more VRAM. I am leaning toward more VRAM.

Any particular need for an Nvidia card? AMD combines the performance+ vram pretty well this generation. Usually for cheaper too. In the US I'm seeing used 6700xts for $400 or lower.

 

[TheDarknessGrows]

Any particular need for an Nvidia card? AMD combines the performance+ vram pretty well this generation. Usually for cheaper too. In the US I'm seeing used 6700xts for $400 or lower.

Mostly just my own experiences. I like what AMD or ATI or whatever offers and I know their stuff is good. But over the decades I always end up fighting with or having issues with ATI cards. Probably just my own bad luck. I would be willing to try again.

I had two HD 5770 cards for years and they were excellent.