GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

Just Some Other Guy said:
I do. I'm pretty fucking tired of people saying "Buh-buh-but it's a halo card! Dude, it's like a ferrari". You know what, that was cool and all back in the Titan days and whatnot, but these things are now being used to affect prices downsteam.

There are people actually DEFENDING the 4070ti pricing because it's about the same as a 3090 for less money. But I thought that was a ferrari and shouldn't be used to compare value to? Oh, but now that it makes the next generation look like a value, it's okay. This linear perf/$ has been going on since Turing and I'm tired of it. I'm tired of people simping for it.

Same shit as when Ampere was proclaimed as being such a steal...when compared to fucking Turing of all things, and the stupidly overpriced 2080ti at that. When compared to Pascal it was a linear increase.
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My understanding of computer hardware is about as extensive as my knowledge of women but I thought the "ti" series have something special about them (something about overclocking?) that makes them super-exceptional cards long after the rest of their sibling cards are considered middling or underpowered. Like people brag their 1070ti runs all modern games at every quality level without a problem.
 
BlueSpark said:
DeepCool revealed it's new Assassin IV CPU cooler at CES:

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Look Deepcool, I'd love to have an AK 620 but goddamn make your design choices sensible. Next thing you know, they'll build a Necron Monolith underneath your motherboard.

Also Nvidia are for faggots. I've already chosen a 6800XT for the new build but I'm torn between the 7000-X3D series or the i5-13600K for the CPU.
 
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BlueSpark said:
DeepCool revealed it's new Assassin IV CPU cooler at CES:

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If someone that isn't doing extreme overclocking buys that they should get kicked in the crotch.
Negg said:
My understanding of computer hardware is about as extensive as my knowledge of women but I thought the "ti" series have something special about them (something about overclocking?) that makes them super-exceptional cards long after the rest of their sibling cards are considered middling or underpowered. Like people brag their 1070ti runs all modern games at every quality level without a problem.
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Ti used to sometimes be the refresh/improvement of a current architecture happening between the original and next-gen releases. Now they release the Ti on day one. Same with X/XT/XTX or whatever AMD is doing.
Overly Serious said:
No kidding - I am soon to buy a new GPU once some money comes through and this has just removed MSI from the list. It was them or a Sapphire. Now it's a Sapphire.
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Hell yeah, Sapphire! I'm happy that they're still around.
 
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Negg said:
My understanding of computer hardware is about as extensive as my knowledge of women but I thought the "ti" series have something special about them (something about overclocking?) that makes them super-exceptional cards long after the rest of their sibling cards are considered middling or underpowered. Like people brag their 1070ti runs all modern games at every quality level without a problem.
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The first Ti(tanium) cards were like that, supposed to be the top of the line, above the "best card available" halo products that consume a lot more power and do a bit more fps at a significant price increase.
By the time of the 1070ti it was no longer the case, Nvidia just shipped that as some sort of bridge between the 1070 and 1080, while there was already a 1080ti as a halo product. These are recent Ti card, back in the good days Nvidia had stuff like Geforce 4200 Ti but that is 20 years in the past.
And then there were also the stupid Titan cards (yes, not Titanium) that were supposed to be the full silicon and a bridge to professional cards.
The 1070ti works quite well for largely everything if you're happy with 1080p/60 and no RTX. Some heavy games you'll have to drop some settings to Medium, like Cyberpunk, or the Witcher 3 new gen release. Some games will run at 100fps, and competitive stuff will run high fps too. If you want maxed details and 1080p, you'll have to accept some drops to 40-50fps in places in heavy games. I think there are some exceptions like the Plague Tale stuff that is really, really heavy.
TL;DR name of cards no longer means anything, only the reviews and numbers, both AMD and Nvidia are really anally raping their customers, never seen so much rape in my entire tech enjoying "career". I think the first 1GHz CPUs from AMD were like 1K USD and it was considered insane and there were some other such oddities, but in general the rule had been that each generation offers increased performance at the same price, or even lower.
Tech stuff is a mess right now and to make things worse, games are pretty crap, haven't truly enjoyed one in many years.
 
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AgendaPoster said:
I think the first 1GHz CPUs from AMD were like 1K USD and it was considered insane and there were some other such oddities, but in general the rule had been that each generation offers increased performance at the same price, or even lower.
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That happened at a very strange time though and being the first to ship a 1ghz CPU was a prestige thing, especially for the booming AMD at that time.
 
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I fucked up not buying the Ryzen 5 5600 in December, it was at around 130$, that was a great deal, now i am seeing it at 180$.

At that price range it might be best to go for a Ryzen 7 5700X that costs about the same but i'd have to spend the extra cash on a cooler.

The Rx 6700 XT i had in my cart also went up 40$ just as soon as the year started. It feels like this crazyness might not get better but worse if i wait much longer.
 
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LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV] said:
I fucked up not buying the Ryzen 5 5600 in December, it was at around 130$, that was a great deal, now i am seeing it at 180$.

At that price range it might be best to go for a Ryzen 7 5700X that costs about the same but i'd have to spend the extra cash on a cooler.

The Rx 6700 XT i had in my cart also went up 40$ just as soon as the year started. It feels like this crazyness might not get better but worse if i wait much longer.
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Nvidia retard pricing is dragging up the cost of the previous generation because the linear increase in perf/$ means they don't need to sell older cards for firesale prices.

I've heard ampere cards are at or over MSRP again. This is exactly what Nvidia wanted to do. Navi 22 crept back up, too. Still under MSRP at least.

If you know someone who bought one of these retard priced cards because looking at a new card gives them the sweats like a fat white chick looking at a black guy with a bucket of fried chicken, you know who to blame.
 
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Just Some Other Guy said:
Well that's the point. In a normal situation these high end prices wouldn't affect the lower end pricing.

And no, it's not "AMD letting them get away with it", it's the consumer. All people have to do is literally not buy the shit. It's not Intel's fault, either. It's whoever opens their wallet up for the next fix.

Why should AMD and Intel undercut Nvidia when people buy Nvidia cards at retard prices? The consumer gave Nvidia 80%+ market share, now reap the consequences.
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People aren't buying it, though. GPU sales in 2022 were the worst they've been in a decade. Part of it is the PC crash, but standalone cards have plummeted as well.

 
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Lone Wandering Courier said:
It's a shame that AMD a company historically known for being budget friendly just hasn't provided the budget market with any good options after the RX500 series. The RX 6500 XT is a joke.
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Despite its hardware nerfs, it was an OK option when it got cleared out at $99 with a free game.

RX 6600 is where the sane parts start, no meaningful uplift from 5700 XT though.

I am interested to see what AMD does with a successor to the 6500 XT. They could take some cues from Intel's A380, which has 6 GB of VRAM, PCIe 4.0 x8 instead of x4, and all of the decode/encode support intact.

The Ghost of Kviv said:
That's likely Alder Lake, it doesn't line up with the dies from Raptor Lake. See the footnote in the table: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raptor_Lake#Desktop_processors_(Raptor_Lake-S)
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Intel has done a good job hiding this fact. Just look at this thread. It was leaked that 13100/13400/13500/13600 would use Alder Lake dies months before the parts became official.
 
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toughts on this build?
i can build this pc for 1200 bucks
right now im using a xeon 1246 and a rx590 so everything will be better i guess
caseThermaltake V150 TG

cpu		AMD Ryzen 5 5600
mobaGigabyte GA-A320M-H
psuCooler Master MWE Bronze 650 V2 (MPE-6501-ACAAB-WO) (650 W)
ramKingston Fury Beast KF432C16BB/8
ssd (m2)Western Digital Green 480 GB (WDS480G2G0B)
ssdWestern Digital Green 1 TB 60800
hddWestern Digital Blue 1 TB
graphrx6600xt
 
blablabla said:
toughts on this build?
i can build this pc for 1200 bucks
right now im using a xeon 1246 and a rx590 so everything will be better i guess
caseThermaltake V150 TG

cpu		AMD Ryzen 5 5600
mobaGigabyte GA-A320M-H
psuCooler Master MWE Bronze 650 V2 (MPE-6501-ACAAB-WO) (650 W)
ramKingston Fury Beast KF432C16BB/8
ssd (m2)Western Digital Green 480 GB (WDS480G2G0B)
ssdWestern Digital Green 1 TB 60800
hddWestern Digital Blue 1 TB
graphrx6600xt
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$1200 Canadabucks or real money? Consider the current PCPartPicker AMD gaming build, less money will get you better performance and gear.
 
blablabla said:
toughts on this build?
i can build this pc for 1200 bucks
right now im using a xeon 1246 and a rx590 so everything will be better i guess
caseThermaltake V150 TG

cpu		AMD Ryzen 5 5600
mobaGigabyte GA-A320M-H
psuCooler Master MWE Bronze 650 V2 (MPE-6501-ACAAB-WO) (650 W)
ramKingston Fury Beast KF432C16BB/8
ssd (m2)Western Digital Green 480 GB (WDS480G2G0B)
ssdWestern Digital Green 1 TB 60800
hddWestern Digital Blue 1 TB
graphrx6600xt
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What would you use it for? It has a few weak points, the motherboard I think is really low end, the PSU is not enough to get you through a future upgrade either if things continue like this. I hope there are 2 sticks of that RAM, you really need 16GB. The SSDs are meh, and the HDD might not be enough for your needs, 2.5GB of storage is a bit low for a new PC, but you'll be able to add more later. The CPU and GPU should make a great combo at 1080p. The 6600xt is like a 1080ti or so. Will last you a few years for 1080p.
I would be a bit reluctant to get a AMD CPU, because most of them lack an iGPU. If you have a spare videocard it's not that important. Things can get defective, and it's super annoying to not have a PC for 2 weeks while the card gets replaced.
Also if you're using Adobe Premiere or plan on encoding on the iGPU, I'd steer clear of AMD. But if you have a spare card and don't care about video encoding and Premiere, it's irrelevant.
 
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