GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[TheRaptorJesus]

What problems have been caused by their Israeli engineers?

I honestly don't think its a good idea to give mossad access to shit, or to have development in a perpetual war zone.

I've been pricing out a 7800x3d build, but keep waffling on pulling the trigger.

So what CPU should I be aiming for a laptop?

I hear really good stuff about Stryx Point, AMD’s latest SOC, but supposedly Intels new Core Ultra is also really good.

Any nerds want to chime in?

Wait for benchmarks?

 

[Fapcop]

I honestly don't think its a good idea to give mossad access to shit, or to have development in a perpetual war zone.

I've been pricing out a 7800x3d build, but keep waffling on pulling the trigger.


Wait for benchmarks?

Wait for benchmarks and then consider waiting some more to see if there’s another happy surprise in the competing Intel cpu.

I honestly don't think its a good idea to give mossad access to shit, or to have development in a perpetual war zone

Yeah, if you for whatever reason don’t want Mossad up in your business or stealing your trade secrets, there’s no way you should be using an Intel CPU.

Every one of their senior engineers have likely been hauled in for a little talk, given some Holocaust story and the ol’ “Don’t forget you’re a Jew first!” and then given a list of exploits they’d like to know about/want put in there.

 

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Intel plans to cut thousands of jobs to finance recovery, Bloomberg News reports https://archive.is/wip/hOtoI

This after they already laid off 5% last year.

Well, 5% globally. More than that in the US fabs that US taxpayer money paid for, less than 1% in 'israel' where they made the shit designs for the burny chips.

 

[The Ugly One]

I honestly don't think its a good idea to give mossad access to shit, or to have development in a perpetual war zone.

So, none that you know of. Just usual /pol/-sperging.

 

[Fapcop]

So, none that you know of. Just usual /pol/-sperging.

Come on man… With the tight integration between the Israeli security state, the military and its tech sector, you gotta be hopelessly naive to believe that it would never be taken advantage of.

Especially with a country that has a documented history of spying against its allies. (Like the US in all fairness.)

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

Wait for benchmarks and then consider waiting some more to see if there’s another happy surprise in the competing Intel cpu.

Why wait when you can have top tier gaming performance on a more stable and efficient chip now? Even if they get a few percent ahead how long does one wait to see if it tries to kill itself?

 

[Overly Serious]

Intel plans to cut thousands of jobs to finance recovery, Bloomberg News reports https://archive.is/wip/hOtoI

Didn't say what sort of jobs - unless it's in the video not the summary. Video is the slowest way to get information and my last resort.

Intel being Intel and interest rates still being very low, you would think Intel could get the money it needs to "finance recovery" from borrowing rather than firing people.

The thing I want to ask at work that will get me in massive trouble if I do is, if DEI is such a benefit, how come TSMC, which has zero black people anywhere on the island, was able to pull ahead of Intel after Intel won a diversity award in I think 2017? (Not Googling it.) How come becoming the most diverse company in tech didn't cause Intel to leave TSMC in the dust, instead of TSMC closing the gap, then leaving Intel behind?

There are two ways in which "diversity" is an asset - an active way and a passive way. The active way is diversity of thought and knowledge. It can give you insights you might miss otherwise. The passive way is if discriminatory hiring is preventing you from hiring good people.

Neither of these are facilitated by hiring people because of their skin colour which is what They™ mean by Diversity.

Not that anybody here needs to be told this. Nor are the people who do need to be told it likely to be reading Kiwifarms.

So what CPU should I be aiming for a laptop?

I hear really good stuff about Stryx Point, AMD’s latest SOC, but supposedly Intels new Core Ultra is also really good.

Any nerds want to chime in?

Wendel from Level One Techs was making some very agreeable noises about Lunar Lake after CES. We still don't know but I'm optimistic of it being good. But that said, Strix Point is enough of a leap forward for me that as soon as I find a review of a good laptop with it, I'll likely click the button. Some preliminary reviews of the new Asus Zenbook are out but I really want something with a 3:2 aspect ratio for the screen. Depends if you're willing to wait a couple of months to see how Lunar Lake turns out. It might be slightly better than Strix Point or it might be slightly worse, but I doubt it will be game changeingly different. And Strix Point is competitive with the Snapdragon processors for power efficiency whilst still be x86 and more powerful - that's impressive. Don't know if that's much help but once I can find a good laptop with Strix Point I'll be getting one because I've waited long enough.

 

[geckogoy]

I think intel can rebound with enough grit and hard work.

 

[Fapcop]

It might be slightly better than Strix Point or it might be slightly worse, but I doubt it will be game changeingly different. And Strix Point is competitive with the Snapdragon processors for power efficiency whilst still be x86 and more powerful - that's impressive. Don't know if that's much help but once I can find a good laptop with Strix Point I'll be getting one because I've waited long enough.

Even if Lunar Lake has a 3-4% advantage in CPU power, I’m hearing really good things about SP Radeon graphics. Supposedly fine for some 1080 gaming, and more powerful than some of the old Nvidia 1050 and 1060 that are being sold as “gaming laptops”.

Really interested to see what the battery life will be. I like what I’m getting on an M3 MBP.

 

[Susanna]

So what CPU should I be aiming for a laptop?

I hear really good stuff about Stryx Point, AMD’s latest SOC, but supposedly Intels new Core Ultra is also really good.

Any nerds want to chime in?

Apple M3 if you need it today, otherwise wait for Apple M4 to hit the internet shelves.

 

[Fapcop]

Apple M3 if you need it today, otherwise wait for Apple M4 to hit the internet shelves.

A Mac fan eh?

Hey what are your thoughts on getting a fully specked out 16 inch MBP 2019?

Would you say there’s a notable difference between Intel Macs and M series Macs?

I like the battery life on my M3 rental MBP, but I need something with more RAM. And boot camp and better x86 compatibility is nice.

 

[Susanna]

A Mac fan eh?

Hey what are your thoughts on getting a fully specked out 16 inch MBP 2019?

Would you say there’s a notable difference between Intel Macs and M series Macs?

I like the battery life on my M3 rental MBP, but I need something with more RAM. And boot camp and better x86 compatibility is nice.

Love my Macs, and nowadays I'm even justified to do so! They're the best laptop manufacturer by a huge margin.

A '19 MBP would basically be ewaste. Intel Macs were pretty bad, you bought them for the operating system and just had to endure the hardware. Intel chips run hot and Macs have always been undercooled, it's not a good combination. Apple Silicon macs are an entirely different beast, you get a strong processor and a whole day's worth of battery life even with the thing in use, and the only cooling it needs is the aluminium case, which at most gets slightly warm to the touch. I've used my Macbook for sixteen hours straight without charging, out of the box, while my Lenovo Ideapad gets four hours even with Linux and all the power optimisations I can come up with, maybe an hour less running Windows.

You do end up paying Apple a silly amount extra for RAM and storage, and because of the way the computer is built, you can't just get the base model and then install your own upgrades, the RAM is soldered and incompatible with pretty much anything else anyway because of how the processor is built, and the same goes for the storage. But it is worth the money. Rather than BootCamp I'd suggest you get Parallels. It's hardware accelerated, you only lose single digit percentages of performance compared to running Windows on the bare metal, and macOS really is a wonderful OS once you get used to it. I grew up on macs and while I can configure Linux to be about as nice, there's just no way I can tolerate using Windows for long.

 

[Overly Serious]

Even if Lunar Lake has a 3-4% advantage in CPU power, I’m hearing really good things about SP Radeon graphics. Supposedly fine for some 1080 gaming, and more powerful than some of the old Nvidia 1050 and 1060 that are being sold as “gaming laptops”.

Really interested to see what the battery life will be. I like what I’m getting on an M3 MBP.

I don't have the video to hand but someone was testing it and it was way closer than anything else so far but still not matching Macs for power efficiency.

But for me, I rarely need more than six or seven hours between a charge at most, and with modern fast charging even if those time periods come close together it's usually fine. A few extra hours of unneeded battery life are not worth it to me to deal with Mac OS. If you're anything than a very clueless other than the most basic user of Windows the number of tiny frustrations you'll experience going from one to the other are endless. I used to think Mac v Windows was primarily just what you're used to. After having to use a Mac for work for over a year, I no longer think that.

 

[Fapcop]

I don't have the video to hand but someone was testing it and it was way closer than anything else so far but still not matching Macs for power efficiency.

But for me, I rarely need more than six or seven hours between a charge at most, and with modern fast charging even if those time periods come close together it's usually fine. A few extra hours of unneeded battery life are not worth it to me to deal with Mac OS. If you're anything than a very clueless other than the most basic user of Windows the number of tiny frustrations you'll experience going from one to the other are endless. I used to think Mac v Windows was primarily just what you're used to. After having to use a Mac for work for over a year, I no longer think that.

I really like the battery life on my M3 laptop… Except for when you start doing something that requires emulation or GPU.

Sure, that battery will last forever if you’re browsing or watching a video. But put on a game or Intel-Mac application and watch that battery drain like a MF.

I don't have the video to hand but someone was testing it and it was way closer than anything else so far but still not matching Macs for power efficiency.

But for me, I rarely need more than six or seven hours between a charge at most, and with modern fast charging even if those time periods come close together it's usually fine. A few extra hours of unneeded battery life are not worth it to me to deal with Mac OS. If you're anything than a very clueless other than the most basic user of Windows the number of tiny frustrations you'll experience going from one to the other are endless. I used to think Mac v Windows was primarily just what you're used to. After having to use a Mac for work for over a year, I no longer think that.

Love my Macs, and nowadays I'm even justified to do so! They're the best laptop manufacturer by a huge margin.

A '19 MBP would basically be ewaste. Intel Macs were pretty bad, you bought them for the operating system and just had to endure the hardware. Intel chips run hot and Macs have always been undercooled, it's not a good combination. Apple Silicon macs are an entirely different beast, you get a strong processor and a whole day's worth of battery life even with the thing in use, and the only cooling it needs is the aluminium case, which at most gets slightly warm to the touch. I've used my Macbook for sixteen hours straight without charging, out of the box, while my Lenovo Ideapad gets four hours even with Linux and all the power optimisations I can come up with, maybe an hour less running Windows.

You do end up paying Apple a silly amount extra for RAM and storage, and because of the way the computer is built, you can't just get the base model and then install your own upgrades, the RAM is soldered and incompatible with pretty much anything else anyway because of how the processor is built, and the same goes for the storage. But it is worth the money. Rather than BootCamp I'd suggest you get Parallels. It's hardware accelerated, you only lose single digit percentages of performance compared to running Windows on the bare metal, and macOS really is a wonderful OS once you get used to it. I grew up on macs and while I can configure Linux to be about as nice, there's just no way I can tolerate using Windows for long.

The thing is… If you want a MBP with more than 8GB RAM, you’re going to have to spend a lot of money where I live. And sorry, I’m not going to spend 3-4000$ on a laptop as a matter of principle.

Parallels is… Whatevs, I like my bootcamp.

But I’ve been seeing the 2019 MacBook Pro’s at a really good price. We’re talking the top of the line i9 processor, 32 or 64 GB RAM, a 1TB SSD and the top of the line AMD GPU they came with at the time with 6 or 8GB RAM. And all for less than 1000$.

Really tempted to get on that. The 11 hour battery life should be alright though it won’t be as good as on the M3 MBP I’m renting.

 

[Susanna]

We’re talking the top of the line i9 processor, 32 or 64 GB RAM, a 1TB SSD and the top of the line AMD GPU they came with at the time with 6 or 8GB RAM. And all for less than 1000$.

Really tempted to get on that. The 11 hour battery life should be alright though it won’t be as good as on the M3 MBP I’m renting.

That i9 will perform at i5 levels due to the exceptionally poor cooling, and you're not getting anywhere near eleven hours out of it unless you just let it sit idle.

 

[Fapcop]

That i9 will perform at i5 levels due to the exceptionally poor cooling, and you're not getting anywhere near eleven hours out of it unless you just let it sit idle.

I'm talking about the 2019 16 inch MBP that supposedly had better cooling than its predecessors.

As for battery life, I’m seeing everything from “lasted 8 hours” to “lasted over 11 hours!” In reviews. Surely it’s gotta be somewhat decent with a 100W battery, no?

 

[Dixieland Buckaroo]

While we're off into laptop land, has anyone here actually had their hands on a Framework machine? I like the principles behind it, even if Linus is a financer/supporter of them, but I just worry in actuality, it'll be jank.

 

[Betonhaus]

While we're off into laptop land, has anyone here actually had their hands on a Framework machine? I like the principles behind it, even if Linus is a financer/supporter of them, but I just worry in actuality, it'll be jank.

When you drop it it'll explode like Sonic the Hedgehog dropping all his rings when hurt.
Someone on the Debian matrix chat was going on about how it was frustrating that it only had four module slots and none of the modules have two ports, so if you want video out and ethernet you will only have two usb ports.

 

[TheRaptorJesus]

Newegg launches CPU trade-in program with low payouts — $300 for a Core i9-14900K or $220 for a Ryzen 7 7800X3D

Online retailer Newegg has announced the start of its new CPU Trade-In Program this morning, along with a limited-time PC Trade-In Program with Intel. The full PC Trade-In program will run until August 11th, and CPU trade-ins are expected to join GPU trade-ins as an evergreen part of Newegg's Refreshed services.

Interesting, i'd take up the deal if I was affected.



While ebay may seem like a better deal, you have to deal with ebay buyers who will scam you and ebays cut so you may end up much worse off.

 

[geckogoy]

so if you want video out and ethernet you will only have two usb ports.

yea the modules seemed unbelievably space-inefficient to me, particularly the USB ports. its like if you cant fit two ports into a module then why didn't you just expand the module size slightly. i think its thunderbolt internally so its absolutely not a bitrate issue they just suck