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I noticed that it's every model now...looks like SODIMMs are about to become a thing of the past.
SODIMM is stalled out at around 6400 MT/s and is being completely replaced by CAMM after the DDR5 generation.


I could see a future in which CPUs/APUs with on-package memory can also use external memory like CAMM, but from what I remember of a leaked specs document, Lunar Lake's memory controller does not support that.
 
SODIMM is stalled out at around 6400 MT/s and is being completely replaced by CAMM after the DDR5 generation.
Well, I meant laptop DIMMs in general. I wonder how big the market demand really is for user-serviceable laptops. Apple gambled that none of their customers really cared that much and seem to have been right.

Unrelated: I don't know when AMD did this, but FSR2 and whatever they're calling their frame generation technology are now available in any DX11 or DX12 game running under full-screen mode. I just discovered it a couple days ago when I brought up the utility to enable the FPS counter in a game. It's pretty neat. While I've been a big critic of how inferior their technology is to NVIDIA's, it's a nice-to-have feature, especially since none of the games I have support their frame generation natively.
 
Too bad the luggable form factor died.
I guess not fully dead...
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Funny i just stumbled on that;
I'm currently making one that'd fit inside of a 200-round 7.62 ammo box
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Gonna fit a 4060 low profile and a crazy powerful 7945HX from minisforum
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if i'm stingy enough, it should all come down to a little over a thousand bucks
($530 + $300 + $160 + ~$100 -> ~$1090)
it DOES require some cursed stuff to work, though, since the internal dimensions are about 85x160x250mm
  • I have to cut away most of the mounting bracket for the 4060 (total length is 180mm) including the other end, likely with a bandsaw and sander, stopping just before i hit the last fan.
  • I'm not harming a hair on that steel container, so everything, from the power cord, USB and HDMI connectors and air ducts, have to point up where the lid of the box opens.
  • Make the internal design a ducted one, to improve this fucked, cramped airflow.
  • Since i'm not gonna even SCRATCH the box's metal, not a single screw will be involved, instead, i'm gonna have my 3D printer make a specialized endoskeleton structure that keeps it all together by fitting just right™ and which doubles as cable management and ducted airflow manifold.
  • For the structure to not fall out the second you tip it, i'm printing TPU inserts that will squeeze against the walls and provide a bit of resistance against gravity, aswell as points of contact in general for better impact mitigation
Now i MIGHT need some help:
Is there a PSU that has some kind of builtin UPS? I talked about it with an electrics nerd and with current lithium batteries, we've come to a point where we could have regular-sized PSUs with over a dozen 18650 cells that would give you basically 8 minutes of battery at 120Wh of capacity.

Wait, where was I? oh, right. Do any of you know if that's a thing ANYWHERE? Or at least: do you know if there's a nice brand of PSUs that aren't nearly 200 bucks for 500W just because they're a bit slimmer?
 
GN just released a massive piece on the state of EKWB. If this sounds familiar it is because its a follow up to some reporting they did months ago on the same situation.

I know its a tiny part of the video but...
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How fucking delusional are you to charge $1600+ for a lowest tier (current gen, granted) part PC?
I thought maybe they waterblocked it all, but:
1: Who liquidcooled an RX7600.
2: The RX7600 isn't even liquid cooled.
Jesus fuck.
 
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How fucking delusional are you to charge $1600+ for a lowest tier (current gen, granted) part PC?
I thought maybe they waterblocked it all, but:
1: Who liquidcooled an RX7600.
2: The RX7600 isn't even liquid cooled.
Jesus fuck.

That entire segment is wild. EK had the opportunity to supply Micro Centre with watercooling shit for the PCs they build in store. How could Krc be such a fucking sped as to ruin that deal, it was one of those lifelines that EK desperately needed. It also ties back to the original video GN did on EK where they mention that EK was stuck with a mountain of inventory, turns out that deal was a big chunk of it.
 
Wait, where was I? oh, right. Do any of you know if that's a thing ANYWHERE? Or at least: do you know if there's a nice brand of PSUs that aren't nearly 200 bucks for 500W just because they're a bit slimmer?
Unfortunately I don't. You could buy something that's not a computer PSU (probably Chinese) and then try to fix up the ripple with capacitors packed into the remaining available spaces, as well as have a separate 5 volt board and do the on/off control yourself, but that's getting really tricky.
 
That GN video is great is laying out how these faggots operated, just absolute euro trash. Their "charmer" wasn't even hot, even for a tech girl. Looks like a discount Chrissy Teagan who also isn't that hot.

The story about Dave getting his credit whacked because they missed paying him (and never said he wouldn't be paid), and now having a refinanced mortgage with basically an extra $6,000 due to EK is just disgusting. What I really don't understand is how people can be such faggots as to try and defend EK here.
 
Wait, where was I? oh, right. Do any of you know if that's a thing ANYWHERE? Or at least: do you know if there's a nice brand of PSUs that aren't nearly 200 bucks for 500W just because they're a bit slimmer?
Don't cheap out on your power supply. If something goes wrong, it can permanently damage the other components in your system, thereby costing you a lot more than $200 you would have spent on the PSU. If you need to shave money off the cost of the project, choose a less expensive GPU or CPU.
The power supply I have for my own luggable build is an AthenaPower AP-U1ATX40P8, a 400W ATX power supply in a form factor for 1U servers. Costs $130 new on Ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/165816960542
AthenaPower has a few others too, but they are obviously going to be more expensive the more power you need. I will warn you that they are pretty loud, given that they need a lot of airflow for the small space they occupy. The fan speed is dependent on power consumption, so you can avoid some of the noise by using lower power components or by using software controls to restrict power usage.

Another option is to get a power supply of any size, and a few mountable ATX cable extenders to turn your PSU into an external power brick. It may be a pain to have to unplug the 24-pin and plug it back in every time you want to use it, so you could get a PicoPSU in addition to your regular PSU and send power to the PicoPSU from one of the 12V connectors. Crypto miners mining CPU mineable coins do this a lot in order to allow a larger power supply to share power with multiple motherboards.
 
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Don't cheap out on your power supply. If something goes wrong, it can permanently damage the other components in your system, thereby costing you a lot more than $200 you would have spent on the PSU. If you need to shave money off the cost of the project, choose a less expensive GPU or CPU.
this.
not only is a good PSU necessary to prevent your system from *ack*ing itself if things go wrong, it is also required for a stable system running at max performance.

however there is a lot of marketing BS behind the different certs, etc.
so in addition to squishies great suggestions: watch a brief vid on the topic by jon gerow/jonny guru (the GOAT) and you'll know what to look out for.
 
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Don't cheap out on your power supply. If something goes wrong, it can permanently damage the other components in your system, thereby costing you a lot more than $200 you would have spent on the PSU.
It can also cause very unusual system behavior that'll make your life hell to troubleshoot as you'll be swapping components and screwing around with the BIOS for potentially a very long time before finally suspecting the PSU. I only found out my PSU was defective after a GPU upgrade caused the system to go from mildly unstable to downright non-functional.
 
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Huge. If everything is soldered then the whole mobo has to go.
That's not what market demand means.
Sure, repairable laptops sounds great. The reality is, most users are never going to repair a laptop, they'll just get a new one. As long as you build it solid enough to last until the hardware is almost obsolete anyway, hardly anyone is going to choose a repairable/upgradeable laptop over one that isn't. The market demand is absolutely minimal, as evident by how many users just get Lenovo ultrabooks rather than Frameworks. Let alone Apple, where you're already going to struggle to compete with the far superior performance on battery power and operating system with anything, let alone something built to be upgradable (not soldering components not only makes the computer bulkier, in the case of memory it also drastically worsens the performance you can get out of it).

For example I have the skills to repair a laptop, yet I haven't actually done so in almost two decades, and even then that was just replacing a faulty DVD-burner back when those were still relevant.

Taking a look at Framework, you're paying almost 20% more for a laptop that's comparable in pure performance (while plugged in) to a Macbook Air, but which will last maybe a quarter as long on battery power. Most people who buy a laptop have no idea what to get, so it's likely they'll go for whatever is cheap at the electronics store. They end up with Lenovos or HPs. People who know what computer stats mean will primarily go for optimising performance per money. They'll go for Macbooks if they care about battery, otherwise Lenovos. Apple users will get the Macbook even if it wasn't the superior product, which currently it very much is. That means Framework's market consists of people who are willing to compromise on performance per money in order to financially support the right to repair movement. That's a tiny market.
 
That's not what market demand means.
Sure, repairable laptops sounds great. The reality is, most users are never going to repair a laptop, they'll just get a new one. As long as you build it solid enough to last until the hardware is almost obsolete anyway, hardly anyone is going to choose a repairable/upgradeable laptop over one that isn't. The market demand is absolutely minimal, as evident by how many users just get Lenovo ultrabooks rather than Frameworks. Let alone Apple, where you're already going to struggle to compete with the far superior performance on battery power and operating system with anything, let alone something built to be upgradable (not soldering components not only makes the computer bulkier, in the case of memory it also drastically worsens the performance you can get out of it).

For example I have the skills to repair a laptop, yet I haven't actually done so in almost two decades, and even then that was just replacing a faulty DVD-burner back when those were still relevant.

Taking a look at Framework, you're paying almost 20% more for a laptop that's comparable in pure performance (while plugged in) to a Macbook Air, but which will last maybe a quarter as long on battery power. Most people who buy a laptop have no idea what to get, so it's likely they'll go for whatever is cheap at the electronics store. They end up with Lenovos or HPs. People who know what computer stats mean will primarily go for optimising performance per money. They'll go for Macbooks if they care about battery, otherwise Lenovos. Apple users will get the Macbook even if it wasn't the superior product, which currently it very much is. That means Framework's market consists of people who are willing to compromise on performance per money in order to financially support the right to repair movement. That's a tiny market.
Agreed but if they had a replaceable battery that would still be a selling point to some. I know batteries are better than they used to be for longevity. And capacity. I remember having two for my Dell laptop - the original one that came with it then a double size one that actually put the entire laptop at an angle like it was a stand. I'd take both with me because I could get about three to four hours out of the regular and an amazing five to sex out of the double size one. It had a little button on the side you could press to make its indicator light come on and show you the charge. The original battery was just lousy after about a year and a half.

Now those days are gone but if a laptop had easily replaceable battery it would be good for longevity still. We've passed the point where laptops are "good enough" on performance for everyone except gamers and nutters who want to do major graphics or maths stuff on a portable device - and even that's less necessary when you have scalable on-demand cloud computing and ubiquitous connectivity. Laptops now compete primarily on screen quality and battery life (sorry Microsoft, the Co-Pilot key is not a market differentiator no matter how much you try). Given how light and small batteries are these days you really ought to be able to just have a couple spare in your bag and slide a fully charged one into your laptop as needed. Hello 24hr laptop.
 
Agreed but if they had a replaceable battery that would still be a selling point to some.
I disagree. If I had to buy a new laptop right now, batter life would be the least of my concerns, because there are power outlets EVERYWHERE now. Sure, finding one back in the day was a pain because when houses and buildings were built, there weren't many things that needed to be plugged in. But we went from telephones that required no power to phones that each require their own outlet to plug their charging brick into. Even my truck has a 120v outlet in the center console. We aren't in the days of scarce power outlets anymore. If you can sit down somewhere nowadays, you'll more likely than not find an outlet within reach of the power cord.
 
I disagree. If I had to buy a new laptop right now, batter life would be the least of my concerns, because there are power outlets EVERYWHERE now. Sure, finding one back in the day was a pain because when houses and buildings were built, there weren't many things that needed to be plugged in. But we went from telephones that required no power to phones that each require their own outlet to plug their charging brick into. Even my truck has a 120v outlet in the center console. We aren't in the days of scarce power outlets anymore. If you can sit down somewhere nowadays, you'll more likely than not find an outlet within reach of the power cord.
Yet every laptop review goes on and on and on about battery life. This new laptop can only go seven hours playing back movies - what a failure! AMD could have built their new chips around performance but heavily favoured efficiency. Variable power options in them mean laptop manufacturers can choose what voltage to run the CPU at when they make the chip yet many of them don't all crank it up to max but deliberately run many of their ranges lower. You may not care about battery life but manufacturers and chip makers are clearly competing on it as one of if not the biggest factors.
 
Don't cheap out on your power supply. If something goes wrong, it can permanently damage the other components in your system, thereby costing you a lot more than $200 you would have spent on the PSU. If you need to shave money off the cost of the project, choose a less expensive GPU or CPU.
The power supply I have for my own luggable build is an AthenaPower AP-U1ATX40P8, a 400W ATX power supply in a form factor for 1U servers. Costs $130 new on Ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/165816960542
AthenaPower has a few others too, but they are obviously going to be more expensive the more power you need. I will warn you that they are pretty loud, given that they need a lot of airflow for the small space they occupy. The fan speed is dependent on power consumption, so you can avoid some of the noise by using lower power components or by using software controls to restrict power usage.

Another option is to get a power supply of any size, and a few mountable ATX cable extenders to turn your PSU into an external power brick. It may be a pain to have to unplug the 24-pin and plug it back in every time you want to use it, so you could get a PicoPSU in addition to your regular PSU and send power to the PicoPSU from one of the 12V connectors. Crypto miners mining CPU mineable coins do this a lot in order to allow a larger power supply to share power with multiple motherboards.
they're not expensive because they need the quality, they're expensive because of the mini atx tax, where everyone will puff up prices because people doing those kinds of rigs tend to dish out that kinda cash. there's PSUs with double the rating that are half that price.

Thanks for pointing me to that side of ebay, though, it's filled with a ton of cool PSUs
fuck it, i might actually try with a 400W PSU, they recommend 450W+ for the gpu but frankly total TDP of that and the CPU motherboard isn't even half of its capacity.
 
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It can also cause very unusual system behavior that'll make your life hell to troubleshoot as you'll be swapping components and screwing around with the BIOS for potentially a very long time before finally suspecting the PSU. I only found out my PSU was defective after a GPU upgrade caused the system to go from mildly unstable to downright non-functional.
Always good to keep a spare or two around just in case.
they're not expensive because they need the quality, they're expensive because of the mini atx tax, where everyone will puff up prices because people doing those kinds of rigs tend to dish out that kinda cash. there's PSUs with double the rating that are half that price.

Thanks for pointing me to that side of ebay, though, it's filled with a ton of cool PSUs
fuck it, i might actually try with a 400W PSU, they recommend 450W+ for the gpu but frankly total TDP of that and the CPU motherboard isn't even half of its capacity.
I wasn't sure what CPU you were using, but if that is the case then 400W is probably fine as long as you don't have any other components that are drawing a ton of power. But yeah, that is the good thing about building your own chassis; you aren't restricted by the form factor of any of your components.
 
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Yet every laptop review goes on and on and on about battery life. This new laptop can only go seven hours playing back movies - what a failure! AMD could have built their new chips around performance but heavily favoured efficiency. Variable power options in them mean laptop manufacturers can choose what voltage to run the CPU at when they make the chip yet many of them don't all crank it up to max but deliberately run many of their ranges lower. You may not care about battery life but manufacturers and chip makers are clearly competing on it as one of if not the biggest factors.
Because it's a consumer holdover from the old days. Consumers will also stare at you dead in the face and say that they NEED 32 to 64 GB of ram in their web browsing/document typing laptop, while 16GB would run them just fine. Same as the battery. In the old days, you may have needed it. Nowadays, you can make do with 1 to 2 hours of battery life just fine because we simply do more of the things we used to do on laptops on our phones. We don't sit on the couch scrolling through myspace or chatting on AOL. We use our phones for that, so the amount of time we need to use our computers away from a plug is close to nil for a lot of people.
 
I disagree. If I had to buy a new laptop right now, batter life would be the least of my concerns, because there are power outlets EVERYWHERE now. Sure, finding one back in the day was a pain because when houses and buildings were built, there weren't many things that needed to be plugged in. But we went from telephones that required no power to phones that each require their own outlet to plug their charging brick into. Even my truck has a 120v outlet in the center console. We aren't in the days of scarce power outlets anymore. If you can sit down somewhere nowadays, you'll more likely than not find an outlet within reach of the power cord.
You only think that because you’ve never experienced a laptop with a decent battery life. Try a MacBook for a week, you won’t be able to go back. You’ll see Windows users who’ve deluded themselves into thinking that tethering their portable computer to a power outlet within five seconds is acceptable for the lunatics they are.
 
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