GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[TheRaptorJesus]

Just go on AliExpress and buy an am5 waterblock from Barrow or Bykski for under $60.

Tempted, Just hate seeing my optimus go to waste.

Sounds like you have a motherboard that's about to completely shit itself and die.

Seems to be a common error a z6/790 gigagyte boards, luckily I never crash at my settings

If you like being unstable even at stock you're going to love 13th and 14th gen Intel

I have it stable and never BSOD. I'm just tired of tinkering, I want to just throw in a CPU toss on xmp and never have to fuck in a bios ever again.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

AMD Ryzen 9000X3D rumored to feature reversed CCD and 3D V-Cache layering

I'm not sure if it's legit, and cryptic tweeters suck. High Yield found less TSVs on the Zen 5 die shot, but they were still present. We should know everything within a week or two anyway.

Intel Panther Lake will allegedly reintegrate the memory controller into the compute tile — Nova Lake is expected to separate the two again with added optimizations

Intel's Core Ultra 200S series, codenamed Arrow Lake, has launched after a long wait. However, initial reviews have been disappointing. Arrow Lake shows generational regressions in gaming performance, as mentioned in our Core Ultra 9 285K review. Intel is seemingly back to the drawing board again and will allegedly revamp Panther Lake by integrating the IMC (Integrated Memory Controller) with the Compute Tile as per hardware leaker Kopite at X, nipping most of the latency issues in the bud. Moreover, hardware sleuth Jaykihn alleges Panther Lake lacks a dedicated SoC Tile.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole 2]

Interesting video. The nVidia GT 1010. It includes an HDMI to VGA adapter.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Interesting video. The nVidia GT 1010. It includes an HDMI to VGA adapter.

Instead of waiting for something like an RTX 3050 6GB to be a reasonable price, I'm thinking of grabbing the cheapest used low-profile sub-75W card I can find that can significantly outperform a UHD 630 iGPU.

 

[The Ugly One]

Instead of waiting for something like an RTX 3050 6GB to be a reasonable price, I'm thinking of grabbing the cheapest used low-profile sub-75W card I can find that can significantly outperform a UHD 630 iGPU.

I recently reduced the max TDP of my Radiator 6700 XT because it's just too damn much for this office.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

I recently reduced the max TDP of my Radiator 6700 XT because it's just too damn much for this office.

Sounds like a you problem. Your high bandwidth monster GPU could be keeping your pipes from freezing in your arctic circle home.

I'd use more power, but afaict this off-the-shelf OEM machine is limited to 300W PSU, 75W coming from the PCIe slot, and will not fit a full height card. So I might as well look for a dinky and cheap card for $20-50 to stick in here just for fun. The games I care about are so ancient, I can cope with 4 GB VRAM no trouble, or maybe less.

I'm seeing the Radeon RX 550 4GB for about $40 as an option. Maybe an RX 560 4GB.

 

[LegoTugboat]

So, it was announced on Thursday, somewhat quietlyish, that there'd be a series of announcements by Apple this week, likely to focus on the M4 Macs.

(Bring on the M4 Mini please)

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

So, it was announced on Thursday, somewhat quietlyish, that there'd be a series of announcements by Apple this week, likely to focus on the M4 Macs.

(Bring on the M4 Mini please)

Yes, the M4 Mac Mini should be this week, if not today. I recommended it to someone who is using an M1 iMac and looking to upgrade.

 

[LegoTugboat]

M4 iMac, 16 GB RAM/256 GB SSD base.
Available as 8 core CPU and 8 core GPU, or as 10 core CPU and 10 core GPU.

Can have Thunderbolt 4 ports, with support for 2 external 6K displays.

Also updates to mouse, keyboard and trackpad, now with USB-C.

Edit - 3 new product announcements this week, according to John Ternus in the iMac video.

 

[Fcret]

M4 iMac, 16 GB RAM/256 GB SSD base.
Available as 8 core CPU and 8 core GPU, or as 10 core CPU and 10 core GPU.

Can have Thunderbolt 4 ports, with support for 2 external 6K displays.

Also updates to mouse, keyboard and trackpad, now with USB-C.

Edit - 3 new product announcements this week, according to John Ternus in the iMac video.

Finally we're escaping the '8 GB base model' ghetto.

 

[LegoTugboat]

M4 Mac mini. 10 core CPU, 4/6, 10 core GPU, 16 GB RAM.
5 inches by 5 inches, 1.5 pounds, 2 USB-C ports, headphone jack on front.
HDMI, Ethernet, 3 Thunderbolt 4 ports on back.

M4 Pro Mac mini, 12 core CPU, 8/4, 16 core GPU, 24 GB RAM.
3 Thunderbolt 5 ports on back.

And slightly higher numbers than the iMac, likely because of cooling.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

M4 Mac mini. 10 core CPU, 4/6, 10 core GPU, 16 GB RAM.

It was speculated they would bump the price on the base model but they didn't. 16 GB RAM and fully enabled M4 at the entry-level, for $600.

I'm sure everyone has various complaints about the ports. Ditching USB-A is a nuisance and it looks like there's plenty of room on there. But another one is that you have to pay to upgrade from 1 Gbps Ethernet to 10 Gbps. Any premium device should make 2.5 Gbps the default IMO, since it works on the same cables.

M4 Pro has the exact amount of memory bandwidth that AMD's quad-channel Strix Halo is rumored to support: 273 GB/s.

 

[Another Char Clone]

I have a chunky CPU heatsink and some spare 140mm PWM fans, what's the easiest way to attach them on the heatsink for MORE AIRFLOW? They're meant to go on the case openings, so they don't really have brackets for attaching to a giant copper tower.

 

[The Ugly One]

what's the easiest way to attach them on the heatsink for MORE AIRFLOW?

Epoxy.

 

[Flaming Dumpster]

I have a chunky CPU heatsink and some spare 140mm PWM fans, what's the easiest way to attach them on the heatsink for MORE AIRFLOW? They're meant to go on the case openings, so they don't really have brackets for attaching to a giant copper tower.

Elastic bands? Does the heatsink have any cutouts for using some sort of bracket like these?

If no then you're stuck with whatever shit you can MacGyver up.

 

[Leaded Gasoline]

I have a chunky CPU heatsink and some spare 140mm PWM fans, what's the easiest way to attach them on the heatsink for MORE AIRFLOW? They're meant to go on the case openings, so they don't really have brackets for attaching to a giant copper tower.

Zip ties work well for this

 

[WelperHelper99]

M4 iMac, 16 GB RAM/256 GB SSD base.
Available as 8 core CPU and 8 core GPU, or as 10 core CPU and 10 core GPU.

Can have Thunderbolt 4 ports, with support for 2 external 6K displays.

Also updates to mouse, keyboard and trackpad, now with USB-C.

Edit - 3 new product announcements this week, according to John Ternus in the iMac video.

A 256 gb ssd is criminal, especially for Apple prices. Stick a terabyte in there, the costs are low enough now.

 

[Archeops]

Well the holidays are coming up and, like a kid writing his wishlist to Sandy Claws, I’m looking at getting or building a PC that’s better than my ASUS laptop for Christmas.

As far as specs are concerned here are the laptop’s.

Spoiler: Specs

• CPU: 12th Generation Intel Core i7-12700H

I’d like to get a CPU that’s somewhat better than this one for a desktop PC but after hearing about what happened to Intel’s 13th and 14th Generation CPUs regarding overvoltage it’s made me a bit wary of their workmanship. I’m considering moving to AMD’s CPUs if I have to.

• GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Laptop

I’ve done some research on this specific laptop GPU and it’s one of the better Laptop GPUs (currently outranked by the 3080 Ti, 4080, and 4090 Laptop GPUs) on the market but it’s only as good as a desktop 3060 or 3080 GPU. I’d get a GPU that’s better than those two desktop GPUs but I know that the most expensive part is more than likely going to be this part of the computer. One GPU I‘ve heard one should avoid is the RTX 4060 due to it apparently being shit for gaming.

• RAM: laptop comes packaged with 16 GBs of DD4 RAM, upgradable to a maximum of 64 GBs

I have 32 GBs of RAM in my laptop and it does a good job. One thing I’d like to do with this new desktop is to move from DDR4 to DDR5 RAM.

Outside of that I’m honestly clueless the specifics of PC building, I know there are other things I‘ll have to figure out (case, cooling, motherboard, etc.).

 

[The Ugly One]

Well the holidays are coming up and, like a kid writing his wishlist to Sandy Claws, I’m looking at getting or building a PC that’s better than my ASUS laptop for Christmas.

You cannot currently build a desktop PC that will get significantly better image quality than that laptop. There are some games where you can turn the DLSS down a bit, maybe bump up an effect quality here and there, but it's going to be marginal, and you're going to feel like you spent thousands of dollars for little benefit.

The overvoltage issue was a firmware bug that's been patched. It was also only in the desktop chips. Frame generation is a nice feature that makes 40 series GPUs more worth getting than 30 series.

One GPU I‘ve heard one should avoid is the RTX 4060 due to it apparently being shit for gaming.

It's fine for gaming. The thing about reviewers is they make money by clicks, and you don't make any money by saying, "This GPU will run all the latest games at 75 fps." You make money by chimping out over some corner case where it ran at 73 fps and act like it gave you a stabbing pain in your eyes.

 

[barrow greeter]

So let me get this straight, USB-C, the thin small connector made expressly for thin and portable devices like phones, is now your only option on the desktop Mac mini.

Yes, I buy a desktop computer because I want to deal with adapter dongles.