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[The Backwards Man]

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https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008388066728.html

is this a good deal or will it explode the moment i plug it in?

I didn't even know Soyo still existed, let alone made graphics cards.

 

[The Ugly One]

NVIDIA May Aim For Up To 16 Generated Frames With Multi-Frame Generation Tech In Future DLSS Technology

The sky's the limit.

Finally. I've basically quit gaming because anything under 800 fps makes my eyes hurt.

 

[LegoTugboat]

An interesting little note, the Mac mini turns 20 today.

Launched in 2005, with:
OS: OSX 10.3 Panther
CPU: 1.25 GHz/1.42 GHz G4
RAM: 256 MB of PC2700 DDR RAM (upgradeable to 1 GB),
GPU: ATI Radeon 9200 32 MB dedicated DDR
Storage: 40 or 80 GB hard drive. Updated twice, before it received the Intel Core Solo/Core Duo in 2006.

For those curious, a decade later, it had:
OS: OSX 10.10 Yosemite
CPU: 1.4/2.6/2.8 GHz dual core i5, could be configured to have a 3 GHz dual core i7
RAM: 4 - 8 GB 1600 MHz LPDDR3 (upgradeable to 16 GB)
GPU: Intel HD Graphics 5000 / Intel Iris Graphics 5100 (could use up to 1.5/2 GB system RAM)
Storage: 500 GB/1 TB hard drive, 1 TB fusion drive or a 256 GB SSD.

Not the first mini PC out there, but it probably drew a lot of others in.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole 2]

70% off from AliExpress, a price that is putting it well below the price of used cards, doesn't seem shady at all. Go for it. Buy three and sell the other two for profit on ebay.

 

[Dawdler]

I didn't even know Soyo still existed, let alone made graphics cards.

They don't and they don't

70% off from AliExpress, a price that is putting it well below the price of used cards, doesn't seem shady at all. Go for it. Buy three and sell the other two for profit on ebay.

And they get refund denied and are out of money and with rebaked 980 card with fake drivers

I mean, go for it. I want to see how it turns out.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

VideoCardz: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 “Blackwell” Graphics Cards Review Roundup

Tom's Hardware

vs. 4090	4K Ultra	1440p Ultra	1080p Ultra	1080p Medium
Raster	+25.1%	+13%	+3.18%	+0.3%
Ray Tracing DXR	+37.5%	+14.6%	-4.2%	+4.4%

They are finding the 9800X3D w/ 5090 in the lead in raster, 13900K w/ 5090 in ray tracing (usually), so I picked the top result.

Power draw at 4K Ultra is 476W (9800X3D) to 500W (13900K) which is 18.7-24.7% more than the 4090's 401W average.

Spoiler: Gamers Nexus

Raster 4K ranges from around +20-50%, Ray tracing 4K from around +27-35%

Spoiler: Hardware Unboxed

Raster 1080p = +1%, 1440p = +12.3%, 4K = +26.9%
Ray tracing (5 games) 1080p = +13.8%, 1440p = +17.1%

 

[Betonhaus]

I'm genuinely curious. They may actually be 3060s but counterfeit in one way or another
It was weird how the $100 3070s only had 8gb of ram tho.

 

[Gerelatha]

VideoCardz: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 “Blackwell” Graphics Cards Review Roundup

Tom's Hardware

vs. 4090	4K Ultra	1440p Ultra	1080p Ultra	1080p Medium
Raster	+25.1%	+13%	+3.18%	+0.3%
Ray Tracing DXR	+37.5%	+14.6%	-4.2%	+4.4%

They are finding the 9800X3D w/ 5090 in the lead in raster, 13900K w/ 5090 in ray tracing (usually), so I picked the top result.

Power draw at 4K Ultra is 476W (9800X3D) to 500W (13900K) which is 18.7-24.7% more than the 4090's 401W average.

Spoiler: Gamers Nexus

Raster 4K = +20-50%, Ray tracing 4K = +27-35%

Spoiler: Hardware Unboxed

another chart from TPU, 15-52% uplift depending on games
basically exactly what everyone expected

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

from what GN said you pretty much need a 4k 120hz gaming monitor to get any real use out of it and its CPU bottlenecked on anything under 4k. When did 4k monitors over 60hz even come out?

edit:2018 was the answer

 

[Gerelatha]

from what GN said you pretty much need a 4k 120hz gaming monitor to get any real use out of it and its CPU bottlenecked on anything under 4k. When did 4k monitors over 60hz even come out?

mate we’ve had 4K 240Hz OLEDs for a while now, anyone buying this GPU is going to have a top tier premium monitor as well

 

[Betonhaus]

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from what GN said you pretty much need a 4k 120hz gaming monitor to get any real use out of it and its CPU bottlenecked on anything under 4k. When did 4k monitors over 60hz even come out?

here's a lot, but they're all over like $500.
Honestly we might as well be agonizing over changes Rolex makes to their latest $20,000 watch. What happens at the high end is meaningless to most of us

 

[Susanna]

from what GN said you pretty much need a 4k 120hz gaming monitor to get any real use out of it and its CPU bottlenecked on anything under 4k. When did 4k monitors over 60hz even come out?

My 4k120Hz TV was made in 2020, we’ve had them for a while.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Intel confirms Core Ultra 3 205 CPU with 8 cores, then removes the specs

4+4 cores, 2 (of 4) Xe cores. Good iteration on the low-end i3-12100/i3-13100.

The gimped iGPU may be faster than UHD 770, not sure. But there could be a Core Ultra 3 215 above this with 3-4 Xe cores.

from what GN said you pretty much need a 4k 120hz gaming monitor to get any real use out of it and its CPU bottlenecked on anything under 4k. When did 4k monitors over 60hz even come out?

You're late. 4K 240 Hz are not hard to find, and the first 27" 4K 240 Hz OLED was just launched this month according to search results.

 

[The Ugly One]

from what GN said you pretty much need a 4k 120hz gaming monitor to get any real use out of it and its CPU bottlenecked on anything under 4k.

Given that Cyberpunk 2077 can't hit 60 fps at max settings on a 4090, sounds like an exaggeration.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Given that Cyberpunk 2077 can't hit 60 fps at max settings on a 4090, sounds like an exaggeration.

4K, Avg FPS (rounded down)	5090	4090	5090 RT	4090 RT
FFXIV	181	138
Black Myth: Wukong	85	66	88	65
Starfield	107	92
Dragon's Dogma 2	132	98	113	85
Cyberpunk 2077 (Phantom Liberty)	95	63	53	39
Dying Light 2	126	91	108	79
Resident Evil 4	206	151	209	159

Gamers Nexus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWSlOC_jiLQ

 

[Mister Fister]

Can we just say this is a repeat of the 400 and 500 series or
5080 is 4080 ti
5090 is 4090 ti

 

[Gerelatha]

Can we just say this is a repeat of the 400 and 500 series or
5080 is 4080 ti
5090 is 4090 ti

the actual 4090ti that was never released is about 15%~ weaker relative to the 5090

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Can we just say this is a repeat of the 400 and 500 series or
5080 is 4080 ti
5090 is 4090 ti

5090 might be +30-35% generously, which is better than what a 4090 Ti would have been. But it's using a lot of power to get there.

Maybe 5080 vs. 4080 Super will be even worse than expected.

	Cores	Clocks	Bandwidth	TDP
5090	21,760 (+32.8%)	2.01 - 2.41 GHz	1792 GB/s (+77.8%)	575 W
4090	16,384	2.23 - 2.52	1008	450 W
5080	10,752 (+5%)	2.30 - 2.62	960 (+30.4%)	360 W
4080 Super	10,240	2.205 - 2.55	736	320 W
4080	9,728	2.21 - 2.505	716.8	320 W

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

Maybe 5080 vs. 4080 Super will be even worse than expected.

they're going all in on their DLSS stuff this gen.

 

[The Ugly One]

Can we just say this is a repeat of the 400 and 500 series or
5080 is 4080 ti
5090 is 4090 ti

There are some changes in the architecture, particularly the tensor cores. But since it's the same(ish?) process mode, it's not a huge leap.