GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[TheRaptorJesus]

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https://preservetube.com/watch?v=DxE-4ZxYxDA

Next video: I bought an RTX 5090 to run 50 VMs. Go I hate this fag. He's just upset he couldn't find one.

 

[Dragged Into Sunlight]

So my 1080TI is finally starting to die, I think. Display ports are out and I've had to switch to HDMI.

There's still nothing affordable that would be an upgrade, is there? I pretty much have to drop 1k+ on a card now. And why is almost every single graphics card on Newegg sold out? Is it even possible to buy something that is an upgrade to the 1080TI without paying 2x MSRP to scalpers?

 

[The Ugly One]

I think his overall point was that a 20 year old game now looks better and sharper at native HD than modern games do because they need blurry FSR/DLSS to run at higher FPS

You can turn off the DLSS and the TAA and run at 30 fps and 720p if that's what you want, though. That's my point.

"This game sucks, look how shitty it looks at 4K and 90 fps with all this booster magic on, games used to look so good back when you were lucky if you could maintain more than 30 fps at a resolution higher than 480p" is just a completely incoherent thing to say.

Or if it's "look how well these old games with maybe 10,000 triangles in a scene and 256x256 textures look when they run on a GPU that can run them at 5000 fps"...sure? I guess? But then in the same breath if you say a new game looks like liquid shit when you run it at settings low enough to maintain 90 fps with no tricks, okay, so you wouldn't actually buy a game that looks like the game you're praising, which again makes no sense.

If we could have used a technology like DLSS to run Deus Ex at 60+ fps back in the olden days, we absolutely would have.

 

[Fcret]

https://preservetube.com/watch?v=DxE-4ZxYxDA

The current thing in the boomer KAHNTENT KREATUR space is to whine about nvidia. Pippa also did a whole rant about nvidia.

I don't really get what the issue is - if you don't like newer features, just buy a secondhand card or go AMD. I dunno why this has to be a line in the sand sort of thing. Does anyone really feel pressured to upgrade right now? Even upper-end 2000-series is good enough to play pretty much anything out at the moment at good framerates.

So my 1080TI is finally starting to die, I think. Display ports are out and I've had to switch to HDMI.

There's still nothing affordable that would be an upgrade, is there? I pretty much have to drop 1k+ on a card now. And why is almost every single graphics card on Newegg sold out? Is it even possible to buy something that is an upgrade to the 1080TI without paying 2x MSRP to scalpers?

The 4060 is about on par with the 1080Ti in terms of perf (although with less vram), so even entry-level cards right now will be an 'upgrade.'

As to why there's no GPUs - Nvidia launched Blackwell a little early before supply was really sorted out and AMD isn't launching RDNA4 until March. Both of them killed production last summer for their previous gen cards and the remaining supply of those dried up once people realized that Blackwell and RDNA4 aren't really going to be massive upgrades.

Your best option is to probably wait and grab a 9070/9070 XT in early March as apparently supply is plentiful and performance is good.

 

[4090 Chad]

So my 1080TI is finally starting to die, I think. Display ports are out and I've had to switch to HDMI.

There's still nothing affordable that would be an upgrade, is there? I pretty much have to drop 1k+ on a card now. And why is almost every single graphics card on Newegg sold out? Is it even possible to buy something that is an upgrade to the 1080TI without paying 2x MSRP to scalpers?

You’ll need to go AMD. Newegg has an RX 6800 for $430. That’s likely the best you can get new anyway.

 

[Stasi]

You can turn off the DLSS and the TAA and run at 30 fps and 720p if that's what you want, though. That's my point.

Oh yeah I agree and the whole graphical comparison thing grinds my gears to be honest. Its one thing to say a game looks like absolute shit no matter what you do or a GPU is completely underpowered trash but these "reviewers" and "influencers" spend most of their time applying a 10x zoom to a still frame of a grass texture to epically prove X setting looks bad or Y setting is more blurry. You literally wont notice while playing, just play the fucking game bro.

I think I might have already mentioned in this thread but I played through Witcher 3 on an old laptop and didn't even realise it was hovering between 25 and 30 FPS until after I put 100+ hours into it and was messing around with afterburner. I had a blast regardless.

On the other hand I played some more recent games on my desktop with better settings and higher FPS and was completely bored to tears after a couple of hours. Playing a shitty boring game at 4k 120 FPS isn't going to make it any more fun.

 

[Miller]

If we could have used a technology like DLSS to run Deus Ex at 60+ fps back in the olden days, we absolutely would have.

Probably but we shouldn't accept that games releasing today have DLSS/FSR/XeSS enabled by default, especially when studios and publishers want to raise the price to 100 dollars/euros.

okay but the game looks like this:
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And? Deus Ex has an aesthetic that didn't age.

Next video: I bought an RTX 5090 to run 50 VMs. Go I hate this fag. He's just upset he couldn't find one.

I bet that's the real reason.

 

[The Ugly One]

Probably but we shouldn't accept that games releasing today have DLSS/FSR/XeSS enabled by default

I think if you're a PC gamer, you shouldn't care what the default, out-of-the-box settings are.

 

[ZMOT]

You literally wont notice while playing, just play the fucking game bro.

same could be said for all the nvidia goytax features tho.

 

[Betonhaus]

same could be said for all the nvidia goytax features tho.

Not true, that AI frames thing is bound to add a little bit of lag

 

[Miller]

I think if you're a PC gamer, you shouldn't care what the default, out-of-the-box settings are.

Sure, but they expect you to use fake frames to compensate their lack of optimization.

 

[Dragged Into Sunlight]

Actually, these are my current specs. I've been out of the hardware game so long I'm not even sure where to start upgrading or if its even worth doing the card without doing the processor too.

MSI B550-A PRO ATX
32GB DDR4-3600
1080TI
AMD AMD RYZEN 5 5600X WRAITHS

I'm using a 1080p 144hz monitor at the moment and would like to upgrade to a 4k display eventually. If I'm going to have to upgrade to one of the upcoming 9070 series, would I be bottlenecked hard by my processor or is it not up to snuff any longer? If that's the case, would it be better to upgrade the mobo and processor to one of the new AM5 processors or could I get away with going with sticking on the AM4 platform and getting Ryzen 9 5900x processors.

Your input would be appreciated. Kind of sucks falling out of the loop when I used to build this shit for a living 15 years ago.

 

[The Ugly One]

Sure, but they expect you to use fake frames to compensate their lack of optimization.

But the game is already optimized, since it can run over 30 fps at 800x600 with trilinear filtering and 4x AF on.

would I be bottlenecked hard by my processor

Your processor is only the bottleneck if you are running a game at a high enough frame rate that your CPU cannot keep up. What frame rate this is depends entirely on the CPU. For example, in Red Dead Redemption 2, it's about 167 fps. Are you wanting to run RDR2 at 200+ fps? Then you need a better CPU. If you aren't, then you don't. Realistically, do you have any games that run at unacceptable frame rates even if you drop the screen resolution and run at low settings to minimize work on your GPU? Then you probably need a better CPU.

 

[Fcret]

Sure, but they expect you to use fake frames to compensate their lack of optimization.

Yeah but we're not magically going to get hyper-optimized games if such features cease to exist. Poorly optimized games existed before upscaling.

The answer is to just stop buying poorly-made AAA goyslop instead of complaining about Nvidia features. Are you really raring to play Alan Woke or Monster Hunter Milds?

 

[Post Reply]

If that's the case, would it be better to upgrade the mobo and processor to one of the new AM5 processors or could I get away with going with sticking on the AM4 platform and getting Ryzen 9 5900x processors.

Upgrade to a 5700x3d or 5800x3d if you are on a budget. Then you keep your RAM and mobo. 5900's aren't a worthwhile upgrade IMO.

 

[Stratos Sphere]

So my 1080TI is finally starting to die, I think. Display ports are out and I've had to switch to HDMI.

There's still nothing affordable that would be an upgrade, is there? I pretty much have to drop 1k+ on a card now. And why is almost every single graphics card on Newegg sold out? Is it even possible to buy something that is an upgrade to the 1080TI without paying 2x MSRP to scalpers?

you can find 2080ti's on eBay for 250- 350 , 3080's for 400 - 500, 6800xt's for 400- 500 or you can get another 1080ti for 150 - 200, and you'll probably be fine for a little longer. But honestly just wait until the stock of the new cards normalizes, because at that point everything else should go down in price and you wont get screwed

 

[cybertoaster]

So hows battlemage doing? because it seems the hype has died down, plus intel just cancelled their AI-focused card.

 

[Stratos Sphere]

they dont exist at msrp.

 

[4090 Chad]

So hows battlemage doing? because it seems the hype has died down, plus intel just cancelled their AI-focused card.

It was discovered to have a CPU overhead issue that essentially kills its value proposition.... to achieve its impressive FPS/dollar, it requires high end CPUs. So if you are a poor looking to upgrade your GPU without touching your aged CPU or want to build a new PC with a budget CPU, you will lose a decent amount of performance.

 

[Fcret]

So hows battlemage doing? because it seems the hype has died down, plus intel just cancelled their AI-focused card.

Paper launch just to use up the capacity they'd already purchased from TSMC. They've already moved onto Celestial.

It was discovered to have a CPU overhead issue that essentially kills its value proposition.... to achieve its impressive FPS/dollar, it requires high end CPUs. So if you are a poor looking to upgrade your GPU without touching your aged CPU or want to build a new PC with a budget CPU, you will lose a decent amount of performance.

It doesn't really require high-end CPUs, just ones with resizable bar so anything from Intel 10th gen or Ryzen 5000 series or newer. The bigger issue isn't so much the CPU but rather that a lot of the lower-end scavenged office PCs or OEMs that one might conceivably want to buy and stick a battlemage GPU into don't support rebar in the BIOS.